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Post by sdrew13163 on Jan 8, 2018 5:26:11 GMT
Would have liked a little more R2. Yeah, seriously. C3PO and R2 are treated like some household fixtures in this new trilogy - to be used for something real quick (like a plot point) and then discarded without giving them any heart. That's just one of those little things the new trilogy has gotten really wrong. It really bugs me. You can probably add Chewie to that list as well. He has been thrown to the side in an inexcusable way if you ask me.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 8, 2018 16:39:36 GMT
That's just one of those little things the new trilogy has gotten really wrong. It really bugs me. You can probably add Chewie to that list as well. He has been thrown to the side in an inexcusable way if you ask me. Thinking about it, R2 spends two movies practically being turned off the entire time. That's not how R2-D2 behaves! R2 wouldn't just sit around while his people are in danger! In both the PT and OT, R2 repeatedly helps (often saving everyone's lives in the process). From his very first scene in the franchise, he's on a quest and has a purpose. Now what does he have...? I guess he can finally become a trash can on board the Falcon. I definitely agree on Chewie. While he's regulated to doing nothing too, I will say that at least he behaves how he would in the OT.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 8, 2018 17:08:02 GMT
2. Yoda cameo was abysmal and violates lore: He called Luke "Luke", not "Skywalker". He was a giggling buffoon only for 1.3 scenes in Empire to test Luke, then he turns into a frustrated, grumpy Jedi master who never smiles again. This Ghost Yoda giggles and talks like a moron and stomps his feet like river dancing, and he hits Luke with his ghost cane (!). How can they control weather now...? Definitely agree on Yoda acting...odd. He does call Luke by his first name in the OT though. Quote from Yoda's death scene: "Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Luke... Luke... do not... do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor or suffer your father's fate you will. Luke, when gone am I... the last of the Jedi will you be. Luke, the Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned, Luke. There is... another... Sky... walk...er."
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jan 8, 2018 17:17:30 GMT
2. Yoda cameo was abysmal and violates lore: He called Luke "Luke", not "Skywalker". He was a giggling buffoon only for 1.3 scenes in Empire to test Luke, then he turns into a frustrated, grumpy Jedi master who never smiles again. This Ghost Yoda giggles and talks like a moron and stomps his feet like river dancing, and he hits Luke with his ghost cane (!). How can they control weather now...? Definitely agree on Yoda acting...odd. He does call Luke by his first name in the OT though. Quote from Yoda's death scene: "Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Luke... Luke... do not... do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor or suffer your father's fate you will. Luke, when gone am I... the last of the Jedi will you be. Luke, the Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned, Luke. There is... another... Sky... walk...er."That is exactly what I meant.
In TLJ Yoda first greets him "yooooung Skywalker", then goes on calling him "Skywalker, missed you I have" etc. However, OT-Yoda always called him "Luke" in Empire (e.g. when he leaves training) and in Jedi, but not "Skywalker" (if memory serves right). Especially now in TLJ, they should be on first name basis as Luke has certainly advanced in rank.
It's a glaring flaw/inconsistency for me indicating that they did not properly examine the OT when writing this, or just went by what people THINK and REMEMBER how Yoda acted and spoke. Well, he did not.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 8, 2018 17:32:50 GMT
Ok so the "poor" box office is caused by a lack of repeat viewings because the film is so "bad". But all the people on this board that dislike the movie have seen it multiple times. Just an observation. I disliked it and I've only seen it once.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 8, 2018 20:23:51 GMT
Ok so the "poor" box office is caused by a lack of repeat viewings because the film is so "bad". But all the people on this board that dislike the movie have seen it multiple times. Just an observation. Watch the film once just to experience it Watch it again to look for things in the background, or use it to take a gander at scenes that you weren't paying attention to the first time around, this time with the power of hindsight on your side to better understand why things happened Watch it a third time to refresh your memory and purge misconceptions from your head put there by people bitching about inconsequential details of a work of fiction not meant to be taken seriously Repeat steps two and three as many times as needed for use in future debates Did you like it?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 8, 2018 20:28:12 GMT
Definitely agree on Yoda acting...odd. He does call Luke by his first name in the OT though. Quote from Yoda's death scene: "Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Luke... Luke... do not... do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor or suffer your father's fate you will. Luke, when gone am I... the last of the Jedi will you be. Luke, the Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned, Luke. There is... another... Sky... walk...er."That is exactly what I meant.
In TLJ Yoda first greets him "yooooung Skywalker", then goes on calling him "Skywalker, missed you I have" etc. However, OT-Yoda always called him "Luke" in Empire (e.g. when he leaves training) and in Jedi, but not "Skywalker" (if memory serves right). Especially now in TLJ, they should be on first name basis as Luke has certainly advanced in rank.
It's a glaring flaw/inconsistency for me indicating that they did not properly examine the OT when writing this, or just went by what people THINK and REMEMBER how Yoda acted and spoke. Well, he did not.
You consider THAT a glaring flaw/inconsistency? Sometimes he calls him by his first name and sometimes his last? I do that with my friends and coworkers all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 20:54:38 GMT
That is exactly what I meant.
In TLJ Yoda first greets him "yooooung Skywalker", then goes on calling him "Skywalker, missed you I have" etc. However, OT-Yoda always called him "Luke" in Empire (e.g. when he leaves training) and in Jedi, but not "Skywalker" (if memory serves right). Especially now in TLJ, they should be on first name basis as Luke has certainly advanced in rank.
It's a glaring flaw/inconsistency for me indicating that they did not properly examine the OT when writing this, or just went by what people THINK and REMEMBER how Yoda acted and spoke. Well, he did not.
You consider THAT a glaring flaw/inconsistency? Sometimes he calls him by his first name and sometimes his last? I do that with my friends and coworkers all the time. It's not a big deal, it's just one more log on the "Did RJ really, intensely watch the previous films because it doesn't look like it" fire.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jan 8, 2018 21:09:29 GMT
That is exactly what I meant.
In TLJ Yoda first greets him "yooooung Skywalker", then goes on calling him "Skywalker, missed you I have" etc. However, OT-Yoda always called him "Luke" in Empire (e.g. when he leaves training) and in Jedi, but not "Skywalker" (if memory serves right). Especially now in TLJ, they should be on first name basis as Luke has certainly advanced in rank.
It's a glaring flaw/inconsistency for me indicating that they did not properly examine the OT when writing this, or just went by what people THINK and REMEMBER how Yoda acted and spoke. Well, he did not.
You consider THAT a glaring flaw/inconsistency? Sometimes he calls him by his first name and sometimes his last? I do that with my friends and coworkers all the time. You may do that, but Yoda did not until now. Of course in real life Yoda might have switched to surname basis during the years between, but this is fiction and thus - without any plausible explanation - seems out of character and like a continuity error. By "glaring" I mean apparent & obvious. But lore-wise this is evidently a superficial issue next to, say, the fact that Force Ghosts can actually "interfere" by beating someone, or by summoning precise lightning strikes - which opens a can of plot worms for the past and future episodes. In fact I have bigger issues with the short Yoda cameo than with Luke's burn-out personality as a whole.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 21:42:35 GMT
You consider THAT a glaring flaw/inconsistency? Sometimes he calls him by his first name and sometimes his last? I do that with my friends and coworkers all the time. You may do that, but Yoda did not until now. Of course in real life Yoda might have switched to surname basis during the years between, but this is fiction and thus - without any plausible explanation - seems out of character and like a continuity error. By "glaring" I mean apparent & obvious. But lore-wise this is evidently a superficial issue next to, say, the fact that Force Ghosts can actually "interfere" by beating someone, or by summoning precise lightning strikes - which opens a can of plot worms for the past and future episodes. In fact I have bigger issues with the short Yoda cameo than with Luke's burn-out personality as a whole. "You can't win Darth, If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 8, 2018 21:47:06 GMT
You may do that, but Yoda did not until now. "You can't win Garth, If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 8, 2018 21:58:16 GMT
You consider THAT a glaring flaw/inconsistency? Sometimes he calls him by his first name and sometimes his last? I do that with my friends and coworkers all the time. You may do that, but Yoda did not until now. He had 1 conversation with Luke after his training 30 years ago. That's hardly enough to establish a hard and fast rule.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 8, 2018 21:59:16 GMT
You may do that, but Yoda did not until now. He had 1 conversation with Luke after his training 30 years ago. How could you possibly know that for a fact?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 8, 2018 22:03:17 GMT
He had 1 conversation with Luke after his training 30 years ago. How could you possibly know that for a fact? I don't and neither does anyone else. It is all we were shown, so my point is that it is not enough evidence to proclaim that Yoda would only call him either Luke or Skywalker and would never use both.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 8, 2018 22:04:14 GMT
How could you possibly know that for a fact? I don't and neither does anyone else. It is all we were shown, so my point is that it is not enough evidence to proclaim that Yoda would only call him either Luke or Skywalker and would never use both. And yet, you stated it as a fact.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 8, 2018 22:18:16 GMT
I don't and neither does anyone else. It is all we were shown, so my point is that it is not enough evidence to proclaim that Yoda would only call him either Luke or Skywalker and would never use both. And yet, you stated it as a fact. The fact is that it was the only conversation that we saw. My point is that one known conversation is not enough proof to say that Yoda would never call him Skywalker ever again and claim that calling him Skywalker is a flaw in the movie. This point was in the context of my discussion with the other poster.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 22:32:03 GMT
You may do that, but Yoda did not until now. Of course in real life Yoda might have switched to surname basis during the years between, but this is fiction and thus - without any plausible explanation - seems out of character and like a continuity error. By "glaring" I mean apparent & obvious. But lore-wise this is evidently a superficial issue next to, say, the fact that Force Ghosts can actually "interfere" by beating someone, or by summoning precise lightning strikes - which opens a can of plot worms for the past and future episodes. In fact I have bigger issues with the short Yoda cameo than with Luke's burn-out personality as a whole. "You can't win Darth, If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." "If you choose to face Vader, you will do it alone. I cannot interfere."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 1:30:03 GMT
"You can't win Darth, If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." "If you choose to face Vader, you will do it alone. I cannot interfere." And you think that was because of some sort of Force Ghost rule? "I'm not allowed to be around you and Vader, because, Force Ghost rules"
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 9, 2018 1:32:08 GMT
"If you choose to face Vader, you will do it alone. I cannot interfere." And you think that was because of some sort of Force Ghost rule? "I'm not allowed to be around you and Vader, because, Force Ghost rules" His Portable Puppet Ghost (with Weather Control Power) had not been invented yet!
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Post by audiosane on Jan 9, 2018 6:56:18 GMT
Definitely agree on Yoda acting...odd. He does call Luke by his first name in the OT though. Quote from Yoda's death scene: "Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Luke... Luke... do not... do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor or suffer your father's fate you will. Luke, when gone am I... the last of the Jedi will you be. Luke, the Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned, Luke. There is... another... Sky... walk...er."That is exactly what I meant.
In TLJ Yoda first greets him "yooooung Skywalker", then goes on calling him "Skywalker, missed you I have" etc. However, OT-Yoda always called him "Luke" in Empire (e.g. when he leaves training) and in Jedi, but not "Skywalker" (if memory serves right). Especially now in TLJ, they should be on first name basis as Luke has certainly advanced in rank.
It's a glaring flaw/inconsistency for me indicating that they did not properly examine the OT when writing this, or just went by what people THINK and REMEMBER how Yoda acted and spoke. Well, he did not.
L-A-Z-Y. RIAN: All right, time to write that Yoda scene! I've been waiting all day for this! Hmm. Let's see. I *could* rewatch Empire and Jedi to make sure I get his portrayal right... Nah, I got this! I already watched those films hundreds of times. Gold, prepare to be written!
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