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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 5, 2018 10:15:06 GMT
Is there anything you didn't like or even hate in the film?
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Post by mcufan on Jan 5, 2018 10:56:20 GMT
Not a big fan of Rose or the Canto Bight section (don't hate it though)
They should have given Phasma more to do.
The FO military tactics are shit. (jump ahead and come the other way? maybe? LOL)
Nothing too major.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 15:58:23 GMT
Lots! Luke was dropped too far, I can learn to accept it, but it could have been done so much better.
Snoke could have had a backstory, at least a little bit for goodness sake.
The exposition of the past I had hoped to see wasn't there in the quantity I wished.
There's forced feminism that takes away from the story, it can be done so easily by just empowering women, don't go out of the way to try to drive a point. I would cringe in the distant past when a film showed two guys talking about a girl's negative attributes and then them end with a "But I sure like her" and a "I do too!", wink wink. All I learned was it makes me cringe just as much when they try it the other way.
The whole slow chase down of the Resistance by the First Order was a pretty boring way to fill the desire for action in the film. I would have rather seen some sort of cat and mouse between the First Order and the Resistance remnants vs the slow overtake.
But, I didn't mind the Canto Bight diversion in this film. There was a reason for the mission, to execute a plan that happened to fail. Failure is always an option, and I find a story talking about things that didn't work a bit refreshing. The whole codebreaker MacGuffin element was pretty poorly executed and boring though. I liked it overall as a little reminder that the universe is a lot bigger than the few people out favorite Soap Opera usually shows us, and then it got back to the juicy parts that admittedly interest me more.
Can it have all those flaws, and I still like to almost love it? Of course, it's a great story overall, and the characters didn't disappoint me other than where Johnson took Luke to start.
And as you have heard me say a million times, it's my favorite soap opera with spaceships, I come for the Soap, and got plenty of it. If you are looking for the Spaceships part to be the main strength, look elsewhere. For me, this is about family issues, relationship issues, and most of all faith issues, set in a space setting, a grand Space Opera, where you are always wondering what's happening next. It's a chance to be catty with the characters, "Oh I hate that guy", "How could they do that to my favorite character?" "I simply could not stand that bitch!"
It's got an action plot driven part that everyone hates to see executed poorly and I see parts that I do not like there as well, it's OK overall in that respect, but bigger than that, there's a character driven side, where people love what happens to some, and love to hate what happens to others. That's what those who vehemently "hate" the film come back for and watch more than once, just as much as those who love what the people did to and with each other on the screen.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 5, 2018 16:51:10 GMT
The Canto Bight sequence as well. I get the point of the subplot as @homergreg explained but I still felt "oh yeah this" whenever they cut to it. Plus the effects for those racing creatures (forgot their name) were horrible.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 5, 2018 21:51:03 GMT
Snoke was underdeveloped.
Phasma was underdeveloped.
Luke's death should have been established better as a possibility.
I felt Finn and Rose's plot was completely pointless until I thought about it more and saw it fell under the "Poe needs to learn how to lead" development...since ultimately they got a lot more people killed.
Poe's prank call with Hux was awesome but went on too long and ended up making Hux seem ridiculous when he should be at least somewhat competent.
Luke was a little too quippy. The Force thing with the grass was great, and reminiscent of Yoda, but the shoulder brush and milk thing was a little too far.
The mirror thing didn't really lead anywhere.
Would have liked a little more R2.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 5, 2018 22:58:40 GMT
Luke shouldn't have died. I didn't even have an emotional reaction to it, I was just like "oh, he force projected himself just to die anyway? Kinda lame." Especially now that they have no one from the trio going into E9.
The casino planet stuff. Pure cheese. Would have been fine to just have Rose or someone from the Resistance be a code breaker and go straight to the ship.
Hux and Poe's hi-larious phone call.
Extremely glad Snoke died. Just one expository line about where he came from would have been nice.
But what I really disliked about the movie is the b****ing from fans afterwards. I would have had Holdo be a white guy to quell "SJW" triggering (though they'd still complain they died, so idk). Keep it Rashomon style where we never find out who is telling the truth between Luke and Kylo about the incident. Have Rey be one of Luke's students to explain her force abilities, and after Kylo killed and or took the others, Luke memory wiped her. Stuff I didn't necessarily have a problem with but might have "fixed" it for others.
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Post by leesilm on Jan 5, 2018 23:11:26 GMT
I wish Phasma had gotten some more screen time, even if it was just more back and forth between she and Finn. I wish Rey had gotten her third lesson before she left. Luke said he would give her three lessons, and I don't remember him ever telling her, "And that was your third lesson. Now get out" or anything to say, for sure, she got that last lesson. I'd like to see more of Poe's backstory, rather than having to read visual guides/etc. to get it.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 5, 2018 23:15:23 GMT
If I thought about it I could probably come up with some things I didn't like. But I don't grade a movie by going through every line or every scene and grading them individually. I look at the experience of seeing the movie as a whole.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 5, 2018 23:41:23 GMT
Would have liked a little more R2. Yeah, seriously. C3PO and R2 are treated like some household fixtures in this new trilogy - to be used for something real quick (like a plot point) and then discarded without giving them any heart.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 6, 2018 0:00:23 GMT
When Kylo and Rey went back to back, preparing to fight, it was one of the coolest shots ever.
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Post by tavaresmd on Jan 6, 2018 7:20:06 GMT
Having Leia in a coma for the 2nd act of the film.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 20:21:50 GMT
Is there anything you didn't like or even hate in the film? the problem with this thread is that most of us are disqualified from giving an answer.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jan 6, 2018 21:40:15 GMT
Is there anything you didn't like or even hate in the film? the problem with this thread is that most of us are disqualified from giving an answer. TLJ was a prophetic film at least in this regard that - in the bitter end - those who truly loved it would conveniently fit on board of the Millennium Falcon.
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Post by sostie on Jan 6, 2018 22:54:17 GMT
I've see each Star Wars film as they were released, but would not call myself a huge Star Wars fan...some are good, some are abysmal. For me Last Jedi fits in the former category. Having said that the things I didn't like...
Leia's Wicked Witch Of The West-like flight back to her ship
Yoda - I like that they used a puppet, but frankly I can do without him after Empire.
All the mystical quasi-religious Jedi bollocks.
Not enough Eddie Hitler/Monsoon
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jan 7, 2018 0:24:23 GMT
Well, I rated it 6.5/10 and have seen it 4 times so far, so I can say I mildly enjoy it for what it is. My gripes:
1. Tonal issues: Lowbrow Marvel humor throughout kills suspense and undermines drama, especially Hold the Line & Your Mama jokes (less so the Porg-Lifes-Matter jokes). This is a film about survival and the Resistance being decimated to a dozen people, and Luke dying.
2. Yoda cameo was abysmal and violates lore: He called Luke "Luke", not "Skywalker". He was a giggling buffoon only for 1.3 scenes in Empire to test Luke, then he turns into a frustrated, grumpy Jedi master who never smiles again. This Ghost Yoda giggles and talks like a moron and stomps his feet like river dancing, and he hits Luke with his ghost cane (!). How can they control weather now...?
3. Too many logic leaps and plot redundancies, especially in the Resistance chase and the useless and unnecessary Finn/Rose storyline. Characters behave like childish idiots, not like responsible, reasonable leaders and/or fighters.
4. If you rip off Battlestar Galactica (fleet pursuit, jumps tracking, casino, revolt because of leadership etc) try to do it better than the original.
5. You do not have to cram every kind of modern day politics into this, especially in such a immature and superficial way: eg. free Willy, bad rich people are bad, and gender wars.
6. Action scenes are too silly and/or to rehash-y to be believable. Bombers have no shields and explode like balloons, Bombs "fall" in space, one X-Wing can cripple one Dreadnought etc. The Walkers were just there for show but completely pointless as was the battle of Crait.
7. Story and lore inconsistencies to the point it gets messy and contradictive. I'm ok with Luke's change, but you need to plausibly explain such drastic character change to make it believable.
8. Mary Sue and Ex Machina writing as well as rehashing of plot points/structures and dialogue are still an issue but considerably better handled than in TFA.
9. Arcs and character development are badly done, mostly Poe, Rey & Kylo and Rose. Rose arc culminates in the most absurd scene ever: after her sister & Holdo's sacrifice, she stupidly prevents Finn from doing that - thereby nearly killing both of them and all of the Resistance. She uses the destruction of the base to surprise Finn with a kiss and to confess her feelings. Same with Reylo: Rey after Force Skyping with bad boy Kylo and briefly Force touching his hand beats up Luke and flees to redeem Kylo. This only days after she saw Kylo kill Han trying to redeem his son, and Kylo then crippling Finn....this is Young Adult territory.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 7, 2018 2:32:00 GMT
Ok so the "poor" box office is caused by a lack of repeat viewings because the film is so "bad". But all the people on this board that dislike the movie have seen it multiple times. Just an observation.
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Post by Nightman on Jan 7, 2018 5:22:50 GMT
But all the people on this board that dislike the movie have seen it multiple times. Just an observation. ORLY? I haven't seen it once; Disney Wars hasn't gotten a dime from me.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jan 7, 2018 12:38:08 GMT
But all the people on this board that dislike the movie have seen it multiple times. Just an observation. ORLY? I haven't seen it once; Disney Wars hasn't gotten a dime from me. It's watchable, as a reluctant fan you should form an informed opinion. May I add as a theoretical excursion and without any intent of abetting or instigating that thinking that re-watching a movie is limited to paid theater visits is a misconception in 2018 AD and that there seem to be decent quality Made in China versions available online.
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Post by leesilm on Jan 8, 2018 2:26:12 GMT
I've only seen it the one time, however there is a threate near by that has 4$ showings during the daytime of week days, and I've got some time off, so I may go see it again. I don't know how much Disney is making off me though, since my first ticket was 5 bucks and the second will be four (or less, I think I've a coupon somewhere). After my second viewing, I intend to review it on IMDB/etc., cause I feel like I get so caught up in movies the first time due to my genuine love of movies, that I give a fairer review after second viewings.
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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Jan 8, 2018 4:19:14 GMT
Ok so the "poor" box office is caused by a lack of repeat viewings because the film is so "bad". But all the people on this board that dislike the movie have seen it multiple times. Just an observation. Watch the film once just to experience it Watch it again to look for things in the background, or use it to take a gander at scenes that you weren't paying attention to the first time around, this time with the power of hindsight on your side to better understand why things happened Watch it a third time to refresh your memory and purge misconceptions from your head put there by people bitching about inconsequential details of a work of fiction not meant to be taken seriously Repeat steps two and three as many times as needed for use in future debates
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