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Post by charzhino on Jan 13, 2018 20:42:37 GMT
With Disney buying Fox, it's unlikely since MCU never takes any risks with their cookie-cutter, assembly-line movies. And all that blood is too scary for the kiddies who watch MCU movies. Its not unlikely, its straight up impossible. Disney dont and wont make big budget films with premier characters in the style of Logan. Their solo version of Wolverine will be something like Antman.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 13, 2018 20:44:59 GMT
DC-Fan do you the we'll get another cbm like Logan in the future? With Disney buying Fox, it's unlikely since MCU never takes any risks with their cookie-cutter, assembly-line movies. And all that blood is too scary for the kiddies who watch MCU movies. don't you agree that films Days of Future Past and Batman v Superman owe their existence to Marvel Studios? No, Days of Future Past and BvS owe their existence to Superman: The Movie, just like Marvel Studios owes its existence to Superman: The Movie. Without Superman: The Movie, there's no Days of Future Past or BvS or even Marvel Studios and MCU. you forgot to mention that Mr Feige himself promulgated the Superman-Big Bang stuff, and what the prophet Feige dictates is unconditionally binding gospel for every good MCU fan. Feige is bigger than Jesus and the Beatles, maybe just maybe even bigger than the MCU.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 13, 2018 20:52:04 GMT
DC-Fan do you the we'll get another cbm like Logan in the future? And don't you agree that films Days of Future Past and Batman v Superman owe their existence to Marvel Studios? Days of Future Past owes its existence to Marvel studio's? How the hell did you derive that. If anything, the entire MCU owes its existence to Bryan Singer and Xmen 1. "Cause and effect" are a difficult concept for some franchises and fandoms, especially if you naturally have difficulties with timelines, like say "10 years later". But seriously, IMO you are correct: Superman 1 may be the origin story template, but X1 and X2 are the dawn of the modern superhero movie, especially MCU style. These X-films and their influence are completely, deliberately and systematically underrated and downplayed by some.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 13, 2018 22:02:56 GMT
Nah, the X-Movies are expendable. The CBM genre would exist with or without them. What really did wonders for the CBM genre were the Raimi Spidey movies.
And the Reeves movies don't hold up, SM1 becomes a campy mess as soon as Luthor shows up and SMII was riddled with stupid.
TDK didn't change anything, it was hoped to change the genre but it did jack squat except to give people who are ashamed of comics a last bastion. Nolan's hype machine also helped matters. All this talk about hot it "transcended" the genre doesn't mean anything either, because as a crime drama TDK isn't anything special either.
There's a reason that we've seen so many attempts at Shared Universes and connected films, it's because the MCU is what truly redefined Genre films in general.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 13, 2018 22:20:24 GMT
Days of Future Past owes its existence to Marvel studio's? How the hell did you derive that. If anything, the entire MCU owes its existence to Bryan Singer and Xmen 1. "Cause and effect" are a difficult concept for some franchises and fandoms, especially if you naturally have difficulties with timelines, like say "10 years later". But seriously, IMO you are correct: Superman 1 may be the origin story template, but X1 and X2 are the dawn of the modern superhero movie, especially MCU style. These X-films and their influence are completely, deliberately and systematically underrated and downplayed by some. Seems I don't agree with a lot of what you say here I do. Blade was a little step in that it wasn't a huge step in Comics at the time, but it did at least was a positive series in a time when it looked like Comic Book Movies died. X-men had to do some things that we don't have to do today. It had to be more grounded. It had to be more than just a hero story. It had to have heart. It's spectacle had to be lowered to a degree. Mainly it had to do this because of the the 90's. I don't know if people realize how dead in the water comicbook superheroes were in movies. It was like a good running offense in NFL. Blade moved a little bit, but X-men was the first solid effort, Spiderman was an explosive run, X2 was another explosive run, Spiderman 2 built on that, Batman Begins on that. Then the Dark Knight... All those more Grounded movies HAD to be grounded to get the general audience because of the hiccups of the 90's. Each time the spectacle got more and more. Until the general movie audience could accept what we have today. Even the first Ironman was still grounded in 2008, but 8 years of the previous allowed them more freedom. Hell even Captain America: The First Avenger and Incredible Hulk had an aire of this is grounded in real life to a degree. Thor was probably the first departure, but even then they tried to settle it in the real world. Magic is just science we don't know yet they aren't gods just interplanetary beings with a shit ton more advancements. Without X-men, Spiderman, X2, and Spiderman 2 we don't have what we have today. They were huge. (I put Blade in there you don't have to I do) The Earnestness of BB and TDK brought in a shit ton of people. Oh we are taking this shit seriously now? Ok lets do this. What the MCU has built on that is episodic story telling. You get a standalone movie but in some small way it pushes an over arcing story and a connectivity that is accepted wholeheartedly by people. The ease that this is accepted now is astounding. Not 4 years ago my nephew (god help us he is 15 and just got his day time license. If I go radio dark that boy either wrecked us or I had heart attack) Was amazed that superhero movie sequels making more money than there predecessor was a new thing. Or another way of saying that you started small and built on previous (for good or ill money wise) and not just ok that movie was a hit lets write another maybe reign in the budget as the sequel you are going to lose audience. Like it or Hate it some how MCU has figured out that connective tissue world building. Where I disagree with you is that DoFP was helped by MCU in that regard. Not that DoFP was planned and laid out, but people liked and accepted the connective tissue in story telling even if it doesn't make great sense in the context. Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique and Mcavoy's Proff X doesn't really connect with Stewart and Romien in tone, but everyone forgave that. Hell Kitty Pryde was from the hated X3 no one cared. They liked the inter-connectivity of it. Fassbender and Mckellan's so did though. So with that little caveat yeah DoFP did get help from MCU. And the MCU didn't create the connected universe they just have done a helluva job doing theirs. And the MCU was able to do that because of all those before them. And using their B-Team, C-team, and fuck with GoTG there xyz team absolutely helped. Not having their Iconic characters made them go with a more connective world. The sum is greater than their parts. And maybe that's why DC has stumbled. WW as a stand alone is great, i personally had a problem with the third act but who gives a shit it was a good movie. The Iconic team up movie has been done. Hell they did it before with BvS. Maybe while DC retools they come up with the next huge thing. Or maybe it comes from Valiant. I don't know. Right now the past 20+ years have been glorious for some one who waited at his local Mom and Pop VHS to get Matt Sallinger's Captain America and took his first College GF to fucking Batman and Robin opening weekend.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 13, 2018 22:52:32 GMT
DC-Fan do you the we'll get another cbm like Logan in the future? And don't you agree that films Days of Future Past and Batman v Superman owe their existence to Marvel Studios? Days of Future Past owes its existence to Marvel studio's? How the hell did you derive that. MCU fans think that Kevin Feige invented the concept of a shared cinematic universe.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 13, 2018 23:47:28 GMT
Days of Future Past owes its existence to Marvel studio's? How the hell did you derive that. MCU fans think that Kevin Feige invented the concept of a shared cinematic universe. He perfected it, that's for certain. Universal didn't capitalize on theirs, and DC's bombed so hard it set the idea back for over 20 years.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 14, 2018 2:27:00 GMT
At least ten of the MCU movies are better imo. Nope. The Dark Knight is better than ALL MCU movies. Your opinion. NOT a fact.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 3:16:12 GMT
It's dumb until proven otherwise. In the past 10 years since it released 49 other movies have come out and been inferior. Even if by some small miracle a superhero does come out that is better than The Dark Knight you would have long forgot that I ever said this. This board might not even exist by then. Lol there have been a lot more better suoerhero movies since TDK came out. Even WW which I think is not that great is better. At least the villain had a plan and therefor a purpose for being in the movie. At least ten of the MCU movies are better imo. First Class came out after TDK. Logan did. Both I hold in higher regard than TDK. But that is just my opinion. Thank you for this. Not saying I agree with it but thank you for actually presenting your opinion without acting like it's an absolute fact that the entire world should accept.
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Post by thor on Jan 15, 2018 10:31:18 GMT
That's correct. The Dark Knight is basically The Godfather of superhero movies. Nothing from MCU, which has never produced a masterpiece, even comes close to The Dark Knight. Personally I happen to think The Godfather is pretentious crap and TDK is not much better. It's extremely overrated. The films I rate are only the ones which I would watch on multiple occasions. From this list they are: Dredd, The Crow, Blade, Thor, Superman 2, Iron Man, Captain America 2 & 3, Logan. Finally if Thor Ragnarok had been eligible, the Collider's team would have put it near the top as it is better than half of the top 10 in the list and they all loved it.
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Post by thor on Jan 15, 2018 10:32:12 GMT
Anyone else think that Green mile should have been in the list?
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Post by miike80 on Jan 15, 2018 10:45:46 GMT
That's correct. The Dark Knight is basically The Godfather of superhero movies. Nothing from MCU, which has never produced a masterpiece, even comes close to The Dark Knight. Personally I happen to think The Godfather is pretentious crap and TDK is not much better. It's extremely overrated. The films I rate are only the ones which I would watch on multiple occasions. From this list they are: Dredd, The Crow, Blade, Thor, Superman 2, Iron Man, Captain America 2 & 3, Logan. Finally if Thor Ragnarok had been eligible, the Collider's team would have put it near the top as it is better than half of the top 10 in the list and they all loved it. How's The Godfather pretentious? are there any movies besides comic-book that are not pretentious?
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 15, 2018 11:59:10 GMT
Personally I happen to think The Godfather is pretentious crap and TDK is not much better. It's extremely overrated. The films I rate are only the ones which I would watch on multiple occasions. From this list they are: Dredd, The Crow, Blade, Thor, Superman 2, Iron Man, Captain America 2 & 3, Logan. Finally if Thor Ragnarok had been eligible, the Collider's team would have put it near the top as it is better than half of the top 10 in the list and they all loved it. How's The Godfather pretentious? are there any movies besides comic-book that are not pretentious? It had the usual Gangster movie problems, in that the film was supposed to be about the horrors of organized crime...except they made the lifestyle look attractive and cool.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 15, 2018 13:21:52 GMT
Personally I happen to think The Godfather is pretentious crap and TDK is not much better. It's extremely overrated. The films I rate are only the ones which I would watch on multiple occasions. From this list they are: Dredd, The Crow, Blade, Thor, Superman 2, Iron Man, Captain America 2 & 3, Logan. Finally if Thor Ragnarok had been eligible, the Collider's team would have put it near the top as it is better than half of the top 10 in the list and they all loved it. How's The Godfather pretentious? are there any movies besides comic-book that are not pretentious? Walk away. When someone starts talking about The Godfather being pretentious, it's time to walk away.
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Post by miike80 on Jan 15, 2018 13:22:51 GMT
How's The Godfather pretentious? are there any movies besides comic-book that are not pretentious? Walk away. When someone starts talking about The Godfather being pretentious, it's time to walk away. Thought so
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Post by charzhino on Jan 15, 2018 14:26:41 GMT
No surprise someone that loves kiddy Thor Ragnarok thinks films like Godfather and TDK are pretentious and overrated. Marvel studios really have warped the minds of many.
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Post by kuatorises on Jan 15, 2018 14:40:59 GMT
If the Incredibles is on there then so should Robocop. I have no idea what I was trying to say here. Not. A. Clue.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 15, 2018 16:02:50 GMT
Personally I happen to think The Godfather is pretentious crap and TDK is not much better. It's extremely overrated. The films I rate are only the ones which I would watch on multiple occasions. From this list they are: Dredd, The Crow, Blade, Thor, Superman 2, Iron Man, Captain America 2 & 3, Logan. Finally if Thor Ragnarok had been eligible, the Collider's team would have put it near the top as it is better than half of the top 10 in the list and they all loved it. How's The Godfather pretentious? are there any movies besides comic-book that are not pretentious? pretentious is a point of view, miike. A monkey will find toilet paper to be pretentious.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 15, 2018 19:47:04 GMT
Personally I happen to think The Godfather is pretentious crap and TDK is not much better. It's extremely overrated. The films I rate are only the ones which I would watch on multiple occasions. From this list they are: Dredd, The Crow, Blade, Thor, Superman 2, Iron Man, Captain America 2 & 3, Logan. Finally if Thor Ragnarok had been eligible, the Collider's team would have put it near the top as it is better than half of the top 10 in the list and they all loved it. How's The Godfather pretentious? are there any movies besides comic-book that are not pretentious? Most MCU fans are little kids so they don't like The Godfather because all that blood is too scary for them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 20:18:17 GMT
How's The Godfather pretentious? are there any movies besides comic-book that are not pretentious? Most MCU fans are little kids so they don't like The Godfather because all that blood is too scary for them. Has mommy changed your diper yet? After all DC is for cry babies. I want a Snyder cut.... Mommy why cant I have a Snyder cut??? Oh Btw, how about Batsy being a murdering coward by shooting people in the back from a distance. Much like what happened in Las Vegas. DC really inspired that guy.
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