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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 17, 2018 13:26:10 GMT
no need to get sheepish about it. You are a model MCU fan. And there is an entire MCU flock out there bleeting: Meeeeeh, mooooar Maaaaarvel!
I apologise for dissing The godfather. I should have realised that it would offend those here who appear to have been spoon fed their opinion that it is some kind of masterpiece and thus must be revered at all times. Apology accepted, dude. We all had to go through the stupid ages sometime. The apology for dissing Citizen Kane is still outstanding btw.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 17, 2018 15:20:54 GMT
Also, CK flopped hard when it came out and only became an timeless classic much later. So much for your little theory. It flopped because Hearst did his damned best to kill it, not because of the content of the movie. Do your homework, makes you less pretentious. And the ideas and innovations it introduced were still respected and replicated afterwards. Anyways, it's got nothing to do with attention spans. When the story has been told over and over again and become that ingrained to society it lacks the oomph it used to. Speaking of homework. You did not really expect me to let you get away with this silly conspiracy theory of yours?
Let us be pretentious enough to assume that this theory of yours is not already debunked by facts, such as no documetary evidence and Hearst stating in letters that he never intervened so not to give publicity.
But do you really think that a mogul with 27 papers (whereas there are hundreds of papers wordwide) can actually persuade the general public of millions not to see a movie, because he does not like the (remote) portrayal of his life in it? And that there are not other counteracting factors such as word-of-mouth or competitors pushing it? .
There goes your theory. It's all and will always be about the attention span of the general audience. Even Godfather was first feared to be a flop because of the ultra slow pacing and darkness, so that they cut it to pieces.
Btw did you know that monkeys find toilet paper pretentious?
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 17, 2018 22:13:19 GMT
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 18, 2018 10:54:49 GMT
that sensational Lebo book is old news, and the book (or the article) do not even make the claim that CK flopped because of Hearst's doings. No word of that because it's a silly assumption.
What the book claims is that there is evidence that Hearst minions - evidently unsucessfully - tried to prevent the movie release, and that they - allegedly - later - evidently unsuccessfully - conspired to defame Welles with comminist allegations and sex honey-traps.
All a little bit sensational and silly, believe it if you want, but it does not corroborate your theory, even if the allegations are true.
Maybe, but all his power did not succeed at preventing a young man to make a movie, or hindering the release of the film, or to successfully defame the man and his movie, or to hinder the film becoming one of the greatest movies ever.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 18, 2018 11:09:29 GMT
that sensational Lebo book is The unfortunate truth of why CK had a hard time when released. It lost 160,000$ on the initial run. That's no Box Office Success. Welles himself said that when he went to a premiere the place was almost empty. It did keep it from being recognized for years. Although its innovations were recognized and replicated.
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Post by thor on Jan 18, 2018 12:23:02 GMT
I apologise for dissing The godfather. I should have realised that it would offend those here who appear to have been spoon fed their opinion that it is some kind of masterpiece and thus must be revered at all times. it's spoon fed only if you're unable to have an opinion of your own. And i've been watching Godfather since i was a teenager. And yeah, just because everybody says it's a masterpiece doesn't mean that it's not. unless you want to be cool and hate on things that people love. Wtf, are we really having a discussion comparing Thor Ragnarok to the Godfather? Look I get it, the prevailing opinion is that the Godfather is a work of art. I happen to find it boring and prefer Ragnarok by far so I am considered to be of lower intellect by you guys. I disagree. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
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Post by scabab on Jan 21, 2018 22:06:57 GMT
I take it this list was put together before Thor Ragnarok came out because that should definitely be in there somewhere.
The Top 15 I'd say we're pretty accurate, I'd change the order up but in general I do think those are amongst the best.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 21, 2018 22:15:13 GMT
Yes Ragnarok wasnt included, it wasn't released in time.
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Post by thor on Jan 22, 2018 11:41:35 GMT
The collider team stated that Thor Ragnarok came out too late for the list. The same was true for Justice League which might have made the list as well as I think a couple of them enjoyed the film.
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Post by miike80 on Jan 22, 2018 14:50:46 GMT
The collider team stated that Thor Ragnarok came out too late for the list. The same was true for Justice League which might have made the list as well as I think a couple of them enjoyed the film. I have a feeling that both movies will be in the top 50 in case they do another list next year. Raganrok will probably be higher
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