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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 15:26:53 GMT
there you go... I don't want Disney... It's the cards you were delt. We only disagree that I like what they did and you don't. I never said I would stop being a sw fan. You lot did. Fine just go. You prefer to let it be stale and static forever. That's fine you can do that. And you prefer to take whatever they give you with a smile on your face and love it and defend it. I don't. It's something I have a passion for and I can have a critical voice about it in areas that seem disappointing, problematic, or disingenuous. hey, I have problems with all the movies. All of them! Jar jar, ewoks. But it's small compared to the wonder. That's what I felt with lj. I'm sorry but you try to say, don't enjoy because it's bad. I say I might enjoy even if it is. ( And it wasn't) I feel Pitty for you. |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 11, 2018 15:38:39 GMT
Baffling post. On one hand you're criticizing me for apparently taking it too seriously (even though I said I haven't given up on SW completely), on the other hand you're saying SW is your family. It's been fun, get back to me when you grow up. I don't want to grow up. I want to go to Star wars and be a kid. That's what I'm getting. And the growing up part while discussing Star wars is just laughable. Well that's where you're wrong. Kids are not filling up these conventions. It's adults. Adults who have a passion for the entire saga, how it is treated, and how the characters are treated. |
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 15:38:39 GMT
there you go... I don't want Disney... It's the cards you were delt. We only disagree that I like what they did and you don't. I never said I would stop being a sw fan. You lot did. Fine just go. You prefer to let it be stale and static forever. That's fine you can do that. And you prefer to take whatever they give you with a smile on your face and love it and defend it. I don't. It's something I have a passion for and I can have a critical voice about it in areas that seem disappointing, problematic, or disingenuous. Yes you do! you might disagree. The "Shed the skin" is for those that want to turn their backs because you want them to keep it safe. If you are one of them i say good riddance. |
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Post by ryboto on Jan 11, 2018 15:43:26 GMT
My point is I don't care for assholes. People who dislike it simply dislike it, and you take offense and have to insult those that dislike it.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 11, 2018 15:44:10 GMT
And you prefer to take whatever they give you with a smile on your face and love it and defend it. I don't. It's something I have a passion for and I can have a critical voice about it in areas that seem disappointing, problematic, or disingenuous. hey, I have problems with all the movies. All of them! Jar jar, ewoks. But it's small compared to the wonder. That's what I felt with lj. I'm sorry but you try to say, don't enjoy because it's bad. I say I might enjoy even if it is. ( And it wasn't) I feel Pitty for you. LOL! I feel pity for you. You think that I don't enjoy SW or have passion for it because I am critical of parts of it. Trust me, there's a whole lot of SW out there to be enjoyed. Even if I totally ignored TFA and TLJ. You feel like you have to swallow down everything Disney puts on your plate in order to enjoy SW. That's the difference between you and I. |
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Post by ryboto on Jan 11, 2018 15:48:20 GMT
They always deal in extremes, these defenders...No I didn't want a rehash, and no I didn't want the opposite end of the spectrum, something totally jarring. And instead of saying "ok, I get that" you say "suck it up and swallow down what Disney is feeding us because it's got the name SW on it"...meanwhile they're changing it and molding it into a derivative version of itself. It's confusing. You say you love the universe, but they're changing it. The wonder isn't there. But because it's still called SW I should be in awe?
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 11, 2018 15:49:24 GMT
To that I say this: As is implied in the video, people want their heroes to be heroes. That also means that they expect them to go out like heroes when it's time for them to go. That's the way you handle iconic characters with a legacy. That's what you Disney sycophants don't get! And if you're stupid enough not to see that you will alienate fans by not doing that, then you deserve every last bit of backlash you get when it happens! and we disagree in the disrespect. I think it was good you don't. You want it to be like always, I don't. Half of us don't. 50/50. You are the ones threatening to leave. So... Just leave. Having been a fan since SW beginnings I feel I'm entitled to leave when I decide I want to leave. I'm also entitled to voicing my opinion. You and Disney can leave though. If you can't stomach it and coexist with it. |
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 16:09:20 GMT
hey, I have problems with all the movies. All of them! Jar jar, ewoks. But it's small compared to the wonder. That's what I felt with lj. I'm sorry but you try to say, don't enjoy because it's bad. I say I might enjoy even if it is. ( And it wasn't) I feel Pitty for you. LOL! I feel pity for you. You think that I don't enjoy SW or have passion for it because I am critical of parts of it. Trust me, there's a whole lot of SW out there to be enjoyed. Even if I totally ignored TFA and TLJ. You feel like you have to swallow down everything Disney puts on your plate in order to enjoy SW. That's the difference between you and I. I feel pitty for you for being left behind. Discuss, say what you will, but forward is the way. Like i said i'm not against critizing, i'm against saying this killed SW for them. It did for you? Then, i'm sorry but i'll keep enjoying it and you can stay "in the old ways". Now if you want to criticize, but don't want to turn your back that's fine. This is against those that simply can't accept a new light and just stop being fans. Like i said i endured hiatus, the PT, everything, i had grievences of course, but i stayed and will stay faithfull. Be it Disney, Fox or Lucas. Those that say i will not see another star wras movie, to those i say good riddence. Are you one of them? By the way you talk you might be. |
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 16:12:40 GMT
and we disagree in the disrespect. I think it was good you don't. You want it to be like always, I don't. Half of us don't. 50/50. You are the ones threatening to leave. So... Just leave. Having been a fan since SW beginnings I feel I'm entitled to leave when I decide I want to leave. I'm also entitled to voicing my opinion. You and Disney can leave though. If you can't stomach it and coexist with it. Having been a fan Since the beggining also i feel entitled to my opinion also. And you can leave. I'm just saying i'm glad you left. Me and Disney is what you got, my friend. If someone is leaving is you and your lot, not us. We like it here, you don't. I'd prefer you'd stay but you will not be misssed. |
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 16:20:02 GMT
My point is I don't care for assholes. People who dislike it simply dislike it, and you take offense and have to insult those that dislike it. I take offense in people that dislike it and want to turn their backs to SW. Dislike alll you want. "shed the skin" of those assholes. |
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 16:21:36 GMT
They always deal in extremes, these defenders...No I didn't want a rehash, and no I didn't want the opposite end of the spectrum, something totally jarring. And instead of saying "ok, I get that" you say "suck it up and swallow down what Disney is feeding us because it's got the name SW on it"...meanwhile they're changing it and molding it into a derivative version of itself. It's confusing. You say you love the universe, but they're changing it. The wonder isn't there. But because it's still called SW I should be in awe? I just don't think is a derivative version, it's an wonderfull evolution... We disagree, that's ok. And then you come and say "I WILL NEVER SEE ANOTHER SW MOVIE AGAIN" that i can't stand. |
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Post by ryboto on Jan 11, 2018 16:22:48 GMT
My point is I don't care for assholes. People who dislike it simply dislike it, and you take offense and have to insult those that dislike it. I take offense in people that dislike it and want to turn their backs to SW. Dislike alll you want. "shed the skin" of those assholes. If it's no longer SW at it's core, why should I continue to accept it? If it no longer feels like SW, but instead like a Lepin wannabe, why should I accept it and ask for more? You're the one throwing names, and actually being an asshole. We're just dissatisfied with the SJW/PC/Shallow/rehash/inconsistent/uninspired direction of the new trilogy. |
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 16:29:07 GMT
I don't want to grow up. I want to go to Star wars and be a kid. That's what I'm getting. And the growing up part while discussing Star wars is just laughable. Well that's where you're wrong. Kids are not filling up these conventions. It's adults. Adults who have a passion for the entire saga, how it is treated, and how the characters are treated. It used to be like that, you clearly haven't been to one in a while... Kids are everywhere now. A few years back, not so much. a bunch of fat nerds saying yoda shouldn't say that, force powers don't work like that bla bla bla... The last book contradicts bla bla bla |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 11, 2018 16:30:17 GMT
Having been a fan since SW beginnings I feel I'm entitled to leave when I decide I want to leave. I'm also entitled to voicing my opinion. You and Disney can leave though. If you can't stomach it and coexist with it. Having been a fan Since the beggining also i feel entitled to my opinion also. And you can leave. I'm just saying i'm glad you left. Me and Disney is what you got, my friend. If someone is leaving is you and your lot, not us. We like it here, you don't. I'd prefer you'd stay but you will not be misssed. You can wish we'd go all you want. But like I said, we paid our dues also. And we will leave when we individually decide that we want to. You'll just have to coexist with it. Like it or not, you don't have the power to decide when we go. Or to censor our opinions. |
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 16:36:08 GMT
Having been a fan Since the beggining also i feel entitled to my opinion also. And you can leave. I'm just saying i'm glad you left. Me and Disney is what you got, my friend. If someone is leaving is you and your lot, not us. We like it here, you don't. I'd prefer you'd stay but you will not be misssed. You can wish we'd go all you want. But like I said, we paid our dues also. And we will leave when we individually decide that we want to. You'll just have to coexist with it. Like it or not, you don't have the power to decide when we go. Or to censor our opinions. No i just have the power to be glad when you are gone. That's the good thing about TLJ, "uber Fans" are turning away from fandom? I say good riddance. If you take offence in that statment well... that's your problem. And if i think disney wanted this? not even likely. But it's a good thing. I say fuck Disney and it's money, but it did come something good from this. The "geeky" fans are furious. Good! |
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 16:44:45 GMT
I take offense in people that dislike it and want to turn their backs to SW. Dislike alll you want. "shed the skin" of those assholes. If it's no longer SW at it's core, why should I continue to accept it? If it no longer feels like SW, but instead like a Lepin wannabe, why should I accept it and ask for more? You're the one throwing names, and actually being an asshole. We're just dissatisfied with the SJW/PC/Shallow/rehash/inconsistent/uninspired direction of the new trilogy. Names? What names? I disagree. It's SW at it's best. You don't have to accept it. At that i say ok, what are you going to do about it? Turn your back to the all thing, keep being a SW fan but only the old ones and ignore the new ones? Endure the new ones untill it changes again? Keep whining? If your response is just give up, than ok good riddance. If you go and make a petition to change the way they do things and get a miliion signatures i say good for you. Just do something constructive. |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 11, 2018 16:49:02 GMT
You can wish we'd go all you want. But like I said, we paid our dues also. And we will leave when we individually decide that we want to. You'll just have to coexist with it. Like it or not, you don't have the power to decide when we go. Or to censor our opinions. No i just have the power to be glad when you are gone. That's the good thing about TLJ, "uber Fans" are turning away from fandom? I say good riddance. If you take offence in that statment well... that's your problem. And if i think disney wanted this? not even likely. But it's a good thing. I say fuck Disney and it's money, but it did come something good from this. The "geeky" fans are furious. Good! So you would rather see a sizable portion of the fanbase alienated needlessly so Disney can water down the product? Apparently because their traditional fanbase is all that they care about? I think that says something about what kind of SW fan you are. Your a shallow fan more concerned seeing what the latest inspiration for a SW toy is going to be. You're perfectly tailored for Disney. |
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 16:52:47 GMT
No i just have the power to be glad when you are gone. That's the good thing about TLJ, "uber Fans" are turning away from fandom? I say good riddance. If you take offence in that statment well... that's your problem. And if i think disney wanted this? not even likely. But it's a good thing. I say fuck Disney and it's money, but it did come something good from this. The "geeky" fans are furious. Good! So you would rather see a sizable portion of the fanbase alienated needlessly so Disney can water down the product? Apparently because their traditional fanbase is all that they care about? I think that says something about what kind of SW fan you are. Your a shallow fan more concerned seeing what the latest inspiration for a SW toy is going to be. You're perfectly tailored for Disney. What do you want to do about it? i'll back you up. Tell me a constructive thing you might do. I'll keep going to see the movies and enjoy them, but i'lll back up a good idea. If your good idea is stop being a fan, or be a fan of part of the universe, don't bother. Like i said start a petition with good ideas and i'll sign it. I'm The kind of SW fan is one that enjoys what they are doing. I don't care if it's disney or toys for that matter. I'm a liberal fan. |
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Post by ryboto on Jan 11, 2018 17:04:37 GMT
If it's no longer SW at it's core, why should I continue to accept it? If it no longer feels like SW, but instead like a Lepin wannabe, why should I accept it and ask for more? You're the one throwing names, and actually being an asshole. We're just dissatisfied with the SJW/PC/Shallow/rehash/inconsistent/uninspired direction of the new trilogy. Names? What names? I disagree. It's SW at it's best. You don't have to accept it. At that i say ok, what are you going to do about it? Turn your back to the all thing, keep being a SW fan but only the old ones and ignore the new ones? Endure the new ones untill it changes again? Keep whining? If your response is just give up, than ok good riddance. If you go and make a petition to change the way they do things and get a miliion signatures i say good for you. Just do something constructive. I disagree, it isn't SW. What characteristics make it SW at its best? I like laughing at how terrible TLJ and TFA are. I see it as being disgruntled with the uninspired and incoherent storytelling and relating to others that feel the same! Most of us probably read the EU, or had some expectation of the OT characters based on their arcs. Now all that's been crapped on. The franchise is no longer the same, so why would I continue to support it? How does giving Disney my money tell them that I'm not going to invest in their product in the future? I'm not going to waste my time with a petition. You don't get to define what's constructive to me. Either of us posting here isn't constructive relative to Disney's direction for a new SW film. I'll enjoy the EU books that I haven't read yet, enjoy the PT and OT occasionally, watch CWAS, watch Rebels and enjoy the mythos as I have been. I'm more of a Trek fan than a SW fan, but Trek is mostly dead now too. Discovery is JJ crap, and the films were meh. I still enjoy a rewatch of the old series though. |
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 17:18:06 GMT
Names? What names? I disagree. It's SW at it's best. You don't have to accept it. At that i say ok, what are you going to do about it? Turn your back to the all thing, keep being a SW fan but only the old ones and ignore the new ones? Endure the new ones untill it changes again? Keep whining? If your response is just give up, than ok good riddance. If you go and make a petition to change the way they do things and get a miliion signatures i say good for you. Just do something constructive. I disagree, it isn't SW. What characteristics make it SW at its best? I like laughing at how terrible TLJ and TFA are. I see it as being disgruntled with the uninspired and incoherent storytelling and relating to others that feel the same! Most of us probably read the EU, or had some expectation of the OT characters based on their arcs. Now all that's been crapped on. The franchise is no longer the same, so why would I continue to support it? How does giving Disney my money tell them that I'm not going to invest in their product in the future? I'm not going to waste my time with a petition. You don't get to define what's constructive to me. Either of us posting here isn't constructive relative to Disney's direction for a new SW film. I'll enjoy the EU books that I haven't read yet, enjoy the PT and OT occasionally, watch CWAS, watch Rebels and enjoy the mythos as I have been. I'm more of a Trek fan than a SW fan, but Trek is mostly dead now too. Discovery is JJ crap, and the films were meh. I still enjoy a rewatch of the old series though. That's fine by me. Don't give your money. Like i said i could care less about Disney getting it's bucks. I Like what they are doing so i'm giving it to them. And to you that want it to be like it used I say good riddance. I prefer something new. I loved the yuzaan Vong but i already read that story. I loved the thrawn trilogy but i already read that story. All the while i was hoping for a new movie. Now we have new movies but it didn't go toward your sensibilities. too bad. Bon Voyage through memory lane! |
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