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Post by ryboto on Jan 11, 2018 17:33:16 GMT
So, when fans, like myself say they liked the EU, don't misinterpret that as us wanting Disney to have made a direct to video version of the EU. There were good ideas, and bad ideas. I think the Vong were lame, I think some of the Force rules they invent are lame, but some of the arcs are great and could have been ADAPTED. Not copied, but ADAPTED. The new movies are a shift change. A reboot. More simplistic, derivative, filled with magic. Reshaping of the mythos. That's not just 'new', it's a reimagining, which alters the feel and is very jarring for some people. Others enjoy. And still others act like smug dicks about it(you).
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 17:34:21 GMT
Names? What names? I disagree. It's SW at it's best. You don't have to accept it. At that i say ok, what are you going to do about it? Turn your back to the all thing, keep being a SW fan but only the old ones and ignore the new ones? Endure the new ones untill it changes again? Keep whining? If your response is just give up, than ok good riddance. If you go and make a petition to change the way they do things and get a miliion signatures i say good for you. Just do something constructive. I disagree, it isn't SW. What characteristics make it SW at its best? The sense of not knowing what's going to happen. Coupled with great space battles, great sword fight, great new force powers, new characters. Old faces in new light, new faces in old light. The sense of failure but ultimately hope. It's all SW at it's core.
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Post by ryboto on Jan 11, 2018 17:35:30 GMT
I disagree, it isn't SW. What characteristics make it SW at its best? The sense of not knowing what's going to happen. Coupled with great space battles, great sword fight, great new force powers, new characters. Old faces in new light, new faces in old light. The sense of failure but ultimately hope. It's all SW at it's core. It's all SW in name. The core is hollowed out. Good on you for adapting to it. My standards for this specific universe are different from yours.
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 17:37:21 GMT
The sense of not knowing what's going to happen. Coupled with great space battles, great sword fight, great new force powers, new characters. Old faces in new light, new faces in old light. The sense of failure but ultimately hope. It's all SW at it's core. It's all SW in name. The core is hollowed out. Good on you for adapting to it. My standards for this specific universe are different from yours. On that we can agree. Sorry for not being saddened that you didn't like it. I'm glad even...
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 17:39:01 GMT
The sense of not knowing what's going to happen. Coupled with great space battles, great sword fight, great new force powers, new characters. Old faces in new light, new faces in old light. The sense of failure but ultimately hope. It's all SW at it's core. It's all SW in name. The core is hollowed out. Good on you for adapting to it. My standards for this specific universe are different from yours. So for you what is the core?
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Post by ryboto on Jan 11, 2018 17:51:31 GMT
It's all SW in name. The core is hollowed out. Good on you for adapting to it. My standards for this specific universe are different from yours. So for you what is the core? Respect for the mythos. Dialog that's not real-world era specific. Lack of overt femanist or political messages manipulating the plot at the sake of the story. Hero journeys(read that as actual sacrifice or hardship before the hero sees a rewarding moment). Attention to detail(character decisions, 'science/physics'). More Space Opera, less space action/drama. Consistent characters with depth and motivation. I will not elaborate. Again, you didn't define it from your perspective, but that's the art of deflection! Good on you.
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 17:57:17 GMT
So for you what is the core? Respect for the mythos. Dialog that's not real-world era specific. Lack of overt femanist or political messages manipulating the plot at the sake of the story. Hero journeys(read that as actual sacrifice or hardship before the hero sees a rewarding moment). Attention to detail(character decisions, 'science/physics'). More Space Opera, less space action/drama. Consistent characters with depth and motivation. I will not elaborate. Again, you didn't define it from your perspective, but that's the art of deflection! Good on you. That's not the core, those are grievences you have. What's the core? If you don't now i'll tell you next.
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Post by ryboto on Jan 11, 2018 18:10:13 GMT
Respect for the mythos. Dialog that's not real-world era specific. Lack of overt femanist or political messages manipulating the plot at the sake of the story. Hero journeys(read that as actual sacrifice or hardship before the hero sees a rewarding moment). Attention to detail(character decisions, 'science/physics'). More Space Opera, less space action/drama. Consistent characters with depth and motivation. I will not elaborate. Again, you didn't define it from your perspective, but that's the art of deflection! Good on you. That's not the core, those are grievences you have. What's the core? If you don't now i'll tell you next. I don't care what it is to you. I enjoyed the mystery and unknowns of the SW universe, the world building, the non-magic version of the force, the elegance of the cultures. Lucas's creativity and vision was core to this. I disagree with you on TLJ, so I'm not interested in your opinion on what you think the core is because it's obviously different.
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 18:13:28 GMT
That's not the core, those are grievences you have. What's the core? If you don't now i'll tell you next. I don't care what it is to you. I enjoyed the mystery and unknowns of the SW universe, the world building, the non-magic version of the force, the elegance of the cultures. Lucas's creativity and vision was core to this. I disagree with you on TLJ, so I'm not interested in your opinion on what you think the core is because it's obviously different. OK. But it's the fight between good and evil. Failure and redemption.
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Post by ryboto on Jan 11, 2018 18:13:56 GMT
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 18:14:20 GMT
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jan 11, 2018 18:30:17 GMT
Yeah, Johnson took some risks and put the franchise in a new direction. That doesn't mean we all have to like it. Enjoy it if you like it. Don't if you don't.
And I don't.
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 18:32:49 GMT
Yeah, Johnson took some risks and put the franchise in a new direction. That doesn't mean we all have to like it. Enjoy it if you like it. Don't if you don't. And I don't. That's the spirit. What's your rating of TLJ? (I only ask because you can spot the fans that need to go when they say, it's a ZERO!)
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jan 11, 2018 18:37:34 GMT
Yeah, Johnson took some risks and put the franchise in a new direction. That doesn't mean we all have to like it. Enjoy it if you like it. Don't if you don't. And I don't. That's the spirit. What's your rating of TLJ? (I only ask because you can spot the fans that need to go when they say, it's a ZERO!) It was 4/10 until a second viewing bumped it up to a 4.5/10 for me.
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 18:40:29 GMT
That's the spirit. What's your rating of TLJ? (I only ask because you can spot the fans that need to go when they say, it's a ZERO!) It was 4/10 until a second viewing bumped it up to a 4.5/10 for me. Keep going you will reach a positive number ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 18:46:58 GMT
That's the spirit. What's your rating of TLJ? (I only ask because you can spot the fans that need to go when they say, it's a ZERO!) It was 4/10 until a second viewing bumped it up to a 4.5/10 for me. I was joking in my previous post, but i've seen people bumping up the movie each time they see it. I wonder why?
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 18:53:48 GMT
So, when fans, like myself say they liked the EU, don't misinterpret that as us wanting Disney to have made a direct to video version of the EU. There were good ideas, and bad ideas. I think the Vong were lame, I think some of the Force rules they invent are lame, but some of the arcs are great and could have been ADAPTED. Not copied, but ADAPTED. The new movies are a shift change. A reboot. More simplistic, derivative, filled with magic. Reshaping of the mythos. That's not just 'new', it's a reimagining, which alters the feel and is very jarring for some people. Others enjoy. And still others act like smug dicks about it(you).That's wondeful, simplistic and magical. Only when people like you are also smug about us liking it, like saying stuff like Leia can't do that, Yoda dosen't talk like that, force ghosts don't have lightning. Smug, smug smug.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jan 11, 2018 18:54:50 GMT
It was 4/10 until a second viewing bumped it up to a 4.5/10 for me. I was joking in my previous post, but i've seen people bumping up the movie each time they see it. I wonder why? The only reason my score went up is because I enjoyed the Kylo and Rey stuff a little more. The rest of it pretty much stayed the same for me.
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Post by mcufan on Jan 11, 2018 18:56:41 GMT
I was joking in my previous post, but i've seen people bumping up the movie each time they see it. I wonder why? The only reason my score went up is because I enjoyed the Kylo and Rey stuff a little more. The rest of it pretty much stayed the same for me. What was better the second time about the Kylo/Rey thingy? If you don't mind me asking.
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Post by ryboto on Jan 11, 2018 19:01:06 GMT
So, when fans, like myself say they liked the EU, don't misinterpret that as us wanting Disney to have made a direct to video version of the EU. There were good ideas, and bad ideas. I think the Vong were lame, I think some of the Force rules they invent are lame, but some of the arcs are great and could have been ADAPTED. Not copied, but ADAPTED. The new movies are a shift change. A reboot. More simplistic, derivative, filled with magic. Reshaping of the mythos. That's not just 'new', it's a reimagining, which alters the feel and is very jarring for some people. Others enjoy. And still others act like smug dicks about it(you).That's wondeful, simplistic and magical. Only when people like you are also smug about us liking it, like saying stuff like Leia can't do that, Yoda dosen't talk like that, force ghosts don't have lightning. Smug, smug smug. I haven't said those things. Thanks for generalizing. You started with the smug attitude. This guy shares my perspective. He does a good job explaining why the entire movie is jarring to a fan like me, that shares his 'expectations' of the universe.
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