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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 16:59:40 GMT
How, exactly, can food 'work correctly'? For food is what, until I showed you the exegesis, you originally assured me Timothy only referred to. It seems to me this "not using the classic definition" of yours, caveats in disputations the like of which set off alarm bells, is more special pleading. One doubts whether Paul's words "Everything created by God is good" is intended in a less praiseworthy sense that you suggest; after all, why would want to go out of one's way to proclaim that things from God are just "working correctly"? I'll spell it out. Does a tree have moral character? Is it capable of doing anything that is either moral or immoral?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 17:02:48 GMT
I agree with this statement; but in the face of this, it seems odd that the 'reward' (according to your beliefs) is to be forced to work for the rest of eternity. I think it is human nature to work and want to work. Then why do most people seem to look forward to retirement? Or at least vacations. It seems weird that God is omnipotent, but yet heaven (as in God's own domain) is still very much, and very literally, a 'work in progress'.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 26, 2018 17:07:03 GMT
I think it is human nature to work and want to work. Then why do most people seem to look forward to retirement? Or at least vacations. It seems weird that God is omnipotent, but yet heaven (as in God's own domain) is still very much, and very literally, a 'work in progress'. Retirement is not refraining from work, it's the ability to leave a job which is something they are free to do even before retirement. So if slavery isn't the norm now, then why would it be the norm for salvation? My experience has been that most people spend much of their lives not minding the ability to work even if they don't like the job itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 17:13:03 GMT
Then why do most people seem to look forward to retirement? Or at least vacations. It seems weird that God is omnipotent, but yet heaven (as in God's own domain) is still very much, and very literally, a 'work in progress'. Retirement is not refraining from work, it's the ability to leave a job which is something they are free to do even before retirement. So if slavery isn't the norm now, then why would it be the norm for salvation? My experience has been that most people spend much of their lives not minding the ability to work even if they don't like the job itself. In this world, unless you were born into a wealthy family, you need to work in order to survive. It could be said truthfully that the unemployed suffer from low self esteem due to their status, but that's more because they are keenly aware of their failure to attain self sufficiency, rather than being deprived of work. And in any case, what kind of productive work could possibly be available in God's domain, anyway?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 26, 2018 17:17:05 GMT
Retirement is not refraining from work, it's the ability to leave a job which is something they are free to do even before retirement. So if slavery isn't the norm now, then why would it be the norm for salvation? My experience has been that most people spend much of their lives not minding the ability to work even if they don't like the job itself. In this world, unless you were born into a wealthy family, you need to work in order to survive. It could be said truthfully that the unemployed suffer from low self esteem due to their status, but that's more because they are keenly aware of their failure to attain self sufficiency, rather than being deprived of work. And in any case, what kind of productive work could possibly be available in God's domain, anyway? You're branching off so let's simplify this by going back to what I originally stated. Are you saying that people don't like to do work?
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 26, 2018 17:22:39 GMT
tpfkar I think that if God does send souls to hell for eternal punishment, he is still benevolent. After all, it's what I deserve, it's what you deserve and it's what Mother Theresa deserved. We all deserve eternal punishment in hell and so any god who enforces what is righteous and just is a benevolent god in my opinion. Contemporary example of the sickness still wrought by religion. Jesus, man!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 21:06:01 GMT
In this world, unless you were born into a wealthy family, you need to work in order to survive. It could be said truthfully that the unemployed suffer from low self esteem due to their status, but that's more because they are keenly aware of their failure to attain self sufficiency, rather than being deprived of work. And in any case, what kind of productive work could possibly be available in God's domain, anyway? You're branching off so let's simplify this by going back to what I originally stated. Are you saying that people don't like to do work? I'm skeptical of the idea that people would want to have to work for the rest of eternity. On Earth, people do it as a response to the imperfect conditions in which they find themselves (i.e. they need to work for economic reasons and perhaps to alleviate boredom). Neither of these causes should obtain in heaven, if that is the domain of the omnipotent and perfect God. And like I've mentioned, it also doesn't make sense that the perfect God would still have productive work perpetually needing to be done in his domain by those who are subordinate to him.
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 26, 2018 21:18:27 GMT
tpfkar God is not like us in the sense that he has a natural inclination toward loneliness. After all, that's one of the great things about being a trinity; you're your own companion ![](https://s26.postimg.org/m1dg20al5/biggrin.gif) God feels "loneliness", does he? Must be in the Book of Sad Sack.
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Post by goz on Jan 26, 2018 21:20:12 GMT
tpfkar I think that if God does send souls to hell for eternal punishment, he is still benevolent. After all, it's what I deserve, it's what you deserve and it's what Mother Theresa deserved. We all deserve eternal punishment in hell and so any god who enforces what is righteous and just is a benevolent god in my opinion. Contemporary example of the sickness still wrought by religion. Jesus, man!...and black is white. It is totally illogical to state that because we are all bad that we will all be sent to eternal punishment....is a benevolent thing by the alleged perpetrator. It is the concept of original sin to the nth degree, and yet so much more depressing because we are all doomed and damned b this benevolent God, no matter what we do. I may as well say a sane intelligent logical atheist, then! ![](https://s26.postimg.org/m8f14k0ih/yes.gif)
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 26, 2018 21:35:54 GMT
You're branching off so let's simplify this by going back to what I originally stated. Are you saying that people don't like to do work? I'm skeptical of the idea that people would want to have to work for the rest of eternity. On Earth, people do it as a response to the imperfect conditions in which they find themselves (i.e. they need to work for economic reasons and perhaps to alleviate boredom). Neither of these causes should obtain in heaven, if that is the domain of the omnipotent and perfect God. And like I've mentioned, it also doesn't make sense that the perfect God would still have productive work perpetually needing to be done in his domain by those who are subordinate to him. I have no idea why you feel the need to rephrase it that way and I'm not interested enough to dig deeper. My question was pretty simple
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 21:47:43 GMT
I'm skeptical of the idea that people would want to have to work for the rest of eternity. On Earth, people do it as a response to the imperfect conditions in which they find themselves (i.e. they need to work for economic reasons and perhaps to alleviate boredom). Neither of these causes should obtain in heaven, if that is the domain of the omnipotent and perfect God. And like I've mentioned, it also doesn't make sense that the perfect God would still have productive work perpetually needing to be done in his domain by those who are subordinate to him. I have no idea why you feel the need to rephrase it that way and I'm not interested enough to dig deeper. My question was pretty simple Well your claim is that God has people working for the rest of eternity in heaven. I don't think that people like work to the extent where if they could do absolutely anything they want, and neither boredom nor economic stability was an issue, they would choose to work. Therefore, I do not think that most people would envision heaven as being a workhouse where the work never ends and you can never leave.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 26, 2018 21:50:56 GMT
I have no idea why you feel the need to rephrase it that way and I'm not interested enough to dig deeper. My question was pretty simple Well your claim is that God has people working for the rest of eternity in heaven. I don't think that people like work to the extent where if they could do absolutely anything they want, and neither boredom nor economic stability was an issue, they would choose to work. Therefore, I do not think that most people would envision heaven as being a workhouse where the work never ends and you can never leave. When did i claim that and in what context?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 21:53:18 GMT
Well your claim is that God has people working for the rest of eternity in heaven. I don't think that people like work to the extent where if they could do absolutely anything they want, and neither boredom nor economic stability was an issue, they would choose to work. Therefore, I do not think that most people would envision heaven as being a workhouse where the work never ends and you can never leave. When did i claim that and in what context? I'm pretty sure that you said that all the people in heaven were "busy beavers". If I've misinterpreted your claim, do people get to retire in heaven, and if they absolutely abhor work would they be allowed to just loaf around?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 26, 2018 22:00:54 GMT
When did i claim that and in what context? I'm pretty sure that you said that all the people in heaven were "busy beavers". If I've misinterpreted your claim, do people get to retire in heaven, and if they absolutely abhor work would they be allowed to just loaf around? You seem to never be able to comprehend the full statement. However, let's assume you misinterpreted previous statements,I'm not sure why you would completely ignore statements I stated TODAY
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 22:09:53 GMT
I'm pretty sure that you said that all the people in heaven were "busy beavers". If I've misinterpreted your claim, do people get to retire in heaven, and if they absolutely abhor work would they be allowed to just loaf around? You seem to never be able to comprehend the full statement. However, let's assume you misinterpreted previous statements,I'm not sure why you would completely ignore statements I stated TODAYOK, to answer the statement you wanted answered. Some people like to work and other people do not like to work. I think that answers your question, so I will go on to elaborate. I think that there are very few people who would want to work for the rest of eternity. Anyway, I would appreciate it if you could advise me what the conditions would be under which one would be expected or required to work. Also if you know what kind of work would be needing to be done in the domain of a deity who ought to be able to blink anything into existence as he pleased.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 22:46:51 GMT
tpfkar I think that if God does send souls to hell for eternal punishment, he is still benevolent. After all, it's what I deserve, it's what you deserve and it's what Mother Theresa deserved. We all deserve eternal punishment in hell and so any god who enforces what is righteous and just is a benevolent god in my opinion. Contemporary example of the sickness still wrought by religion. Jesus, man!Oh, I just saw this because you've been on ignore since I told you you were on ignore. G'bye!
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 26, 2018 22:48:48 GMT
tpfkar I have been known to lie, but I am certainly not a liar and haven't lied once on this board yet. Virtually every post of yours is babble, silly lies, raw avoidance, and/or outright degeneracy. ![The Scream](https://s1.postimg.org/3b7cpovb7j/screamingfear.png) Babble, babble toil and trabble.
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 26, 2018 22:50:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 22:50:54 GMT
tpfkar God is not like us in the sense that he has a natural inclination toward loneliness. After all, that's one of the great things about being a trinity; you're your own companion ![](https://s26.postimg.org/m1dg20al5/biggrin.gif) God feels "loneliness", does he? Must be in the Book of Sad Sack.
an only SonNo, God doesn't feel loneliness. You read that wrong. Much like you have misunderstood most of my other posts. You'd think the second sentence would have clued you into the meaning of the overall post, but you've proven already in a short amount of time that you have no idea how to read things in context. You are a walking case of myopia. Now be gone and go back to my ignore list where I put you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 22:52:21 GMT
Last chance. I've asked you to stop harassing me several times. If you continue to harass me, I will begin reporting you.
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