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Post by cupcakes on Jan 26, 2018 22:55:31 GMT
tpfkar Last chance. I've asked you to stop harassing me several times. If you continue to harass me, I will begin reporting you. Don't know what rock you've been living under, but ignore is not immunity from response. If you post something that sparks an interest, I'll reply. What's your thing? Making strange people fall in love with you?
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 26, 2018 22:58:43 GMT
tpfkar God feels "loneliness", does he? Must be in the Book of Sad Sack. an only SonNo, God doesn't feel loneliness. You read that wrong. Much like you have misunderstood most of my other posts. You'd think the second sentence would have clued you into the meaning of the overall post, but you've proven already in a short amount of time that you have no idea how to read things in context. You are a walking case of myopia. Now be gone and go back to my ignore list where I put you. Sorry, I didn't realize you were trying to mock Him. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/gf93ycxax/giveup.gif) What's your thing? Making strange people fall in love with you?
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Post by Isapop on Jan 26, 2018 23:08:18 GMT
You seem to never be able to comprehend the full statement. However, let's assume you misinterpreted previous statements,I'm not sure why you would completely ignore statements I stated TODAYOK, to answer the statement you wanted answered. Some people like to work and other people do not like to work. I think that answers your question, so I will go on to elaborate. I think that there are very few people who would want to work for the rest of eternity. Anyway, I would appreciate it if you could advise me what the conditions would be under which one would be expected or required to work. Also if you know what kind of work would be needing to be done in the domain of a deity who ought to be able to blink anything into existence as he pleased. Let me know, mic, if this answers your question: Contrary to popular theology, God's plan for man's salvation isn't to bring him to heaven (except for a select 144,000 mentioned in Revelation). After Armageddon, the "end of the world" (not the earth, but civilization really) those who are "saved" can live forever on earth. The work that needs doing will be to give the earth a kind of global makeover to bring it to its original perfection of Eden. Everybody will roll up their sleeves and pitch in, with Jesus as kind of the boss of it all. That work takes about 1000 years. I hope that makes it a bit clearer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 23:12:00 GMT
OK, to answer the statement you wanted answered. Some people like to work and other people do not like to work. I think that answers your question, so I will go on to elaborate. I think that there are very few people who would want to work for the rest of eternity. Anyway, I would appreciate it if you could advise me what the conditions would be under which one would be expected or required to work. Also if you know what kind of work would be needing to be done in the domain of a deity who ought to be able to blink anything into existence as he pleased. Let me know, mic, if this answers your question: Contrary to popular theology, God's plan for man's salvation isn't to bring him to heaven (except for a select 144,000 mentioned in Revelation). After Armageddon, the "end of the world" (not earth, but civilization really)those who are "saved" can live forever on earth. The work that needs doing will be to give the earth a kind of global makeover to bring it to its original perfection of Eden. Everybody will roll up their sleeves and pitch in, with Jesus as kind of the boss of it all. That takes about 1000 years. I hope that makes it a bit clearer.
Thanks, I appreciate that. I had never heard of that. It still doesn't seem like a very good reward, if the supposed 'punishment' is that you get to simply stop existing. And it also doesn't make sense that God couldn't or wouldn't just do the work himself.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 26, 2018 23:18:07 GMT
Let me know, mic, if this answers your question: Contrary to popular theology, God's plan for man's salvation isn't to bring him to heaven (except for a select 144,000 mentioned in Revelation). After Armageddon, the "end of the world" (not earth, but civilization really)those who are "saved" can live forever on earth. The work that needs doing will be to give the earth a kind of global makeover to bring it to its original perfection of Eden. Everybody will roll up their sleeves and pitch in, with Jesus as kind of the boss of it all. That takes about 1000 years. I hope that makes it a bit clearer.
Thanks, I appreciate that. I had never heard of that. It still doesn't seem like a very good reward, if the supposed 'punishment' is that you get to simply stop existing. And it also doesn't make sense that God couldn't or wouldn't just do the work himself. It's kind of the work that God originally gave Adam & Eve, expand the garden, populate it. And when it's all done you get to live forever in a perfect world. Sounds better than non-existence. Maybe you'll take those piano lessons you never had, or learn to speak French (wait, scratch that, we'll probably go back to one language).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 23:26:56 GMT
Thanks, I appreciate that. I had never heard of that. It still doesn't seem like a very good reward, if the supposed 'punishment' is that you get to simply stop existing. And it also doesn't make sense that God couldn't or wouldn't just do the work himself. It's kind of the work that God originally gave Adam & Eve, expand the garden, populate it. And when it's all done you get to live forever in a perfect world. Sounds better than non-existence. Maybe you'll take those piano lessons you never had, or learn to speak French (wait, scratch that, we'll probably go back to one language).
If God's the one deciding to create these people, I don't see how he should be setting his own creations (who never asked to be born) all the work in setting up the so called perfect world, when as an omnipotent and omniscient being, he could basically move one pinky finger and have everything set up perfectly. And if you ceased to exist, then you'd have no boredom to have to stave off, nor cravings to satisfy, and you wouldn't feel deprived of any of the heavenly delights...so I really don't get the point.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 26, 2018 23:27:10 GMT
Thanks, I appreciate that. I had never heard of that. What? You've never heard somebody quoting The Bible with a "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth" before? Or actually read the book of Revelation?What? Eternal happiness doesn't sound good enough for ya? ![](https://s26.postimg.org/gf93ycxax/giveup.gif) Not living isn't enough of a punishment for you? ![](https://s26.postimg.org/svo7b2k61/mjeyds.gif) Why? According to the story, God had originally given the task of being fruitful and multiplying and spreading the garden that he was cultivated across the earth. It was always meant to be Man's job... not God's. As it was always God's intent of having humans on earth.... If God wanted humans in Heaven... Why wouldn't He have just created them there? Why would the reward be something that Man was never meant to have in the first place? ![](https://s26.postimg.org/gf93ycxax/giveup.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 23:30:58 GMT
tpfkar Last chance. I've asked you to stop harassing me several times. If you continue to harass me, I will begin reporting you. Don't know what rock you've been living under, but ignore is not immunity from response. If you post something that sparks an interest, I'll reply. What's your thing? Making strange people fall in love with you?I've not been living under any rocks at all. Harassing people who have told you they don't welcome your commentary is cause for a ban. I suggest you run along.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 26, 2018 23:31:47 GMT
You seem to never be able to comprehend the full statement. However, let's assume you misinterpreted previous statements,I'm not sure why you would completely ignore statements I stated TODAYOK, to answer the statement you wanted answered. Some people like to work and other people do not like to work. I think that answers your question, so I will go on to elaborate. I think that there are very few people who would want to work for the rest of eternity. Anyway, I would appreciate it if you could advise me what the conditions would be under which one would be expected or required to work. Also if you know what kind of work would be needing to be done in the domain of a deity who ought to be able to blink anything into existence as he pleased. Working is a part of life. It is not drudgery unless it's out of your control and/or something you don't want to do. To be clear, work is not synonymous with employment. It's activity that accomplishes a goal or leads to something. I don't know anyone that thinks that is a bad thing nor do I know anyone that thinks laziness is a good thing, but we may hang around different circles. So the issue has nothing to do with what you insist it does - That God is commanding everyone to work their butts off so that's not something I can explain considering it's not something I mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 23:32:11 GMT
tpfkar No, God doesn't feel loneliness. You read that wrong. Much like you have misunderstood most of my other posts. You'd think the second sentence would have clued you into the meaning of the overall post, but you've proven already in a short amount of time that you have no idea how to read things in context. You are a walking case of myopia. Now be gone and go back to my ignore list where I put you. Sorry, I didn't realize you were trying to mock Him. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/gf93ycxax/giveup.gif) What's your thing? Making strange people fall in love with you?I'm fairly certain you know I wouldn't mock God. You just like to troll people is all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 23:38:45 GMT
Thanks, I appreciate that. I had never heard of that. What? You've never heard somebody quoting The Bible with a "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth" before? Or actually read the book of Revelation?
I've heard of 'blessed are the meek...' before. I haven't read any part of the Bible. Well, I guess...but I don't understand what the motivation would be for making the problem in the first place by creating creatures who crave happiness. If he just created humans and then put them straight into heaven, then that would be nice...pointless, but nice... but instead of doing that, he puts people through a lot of suffering to which they didn't consent, and then judges people and rewards or punishes people based on what he knew they were going to do when he created them and what they couldn't have avoided doing. It's enough of a punishment for a problematic situation that God needlessly set up in the first place. But that's because it isn't really any punishment at all. Because he's the one who wants to create sentient life in the first place, therefore it ought to be incumbent upon him to make sure that such lives aren't an imposition or harmful to the creatures who have to live those lives. Otherwise, he's being a psychopathic dick, and moreover a slavemaster if he wants to put people to work to complete a project that would have been of no interest to those people had they not been forced into existence by him.
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 26, 2018 23:42:57 GMT
tpfkar I'm fairly certain you know I wouldn't mock God. You just like to troll people is all. Coming from the supreme babble-trolling "ignorer", that is pretty funny. Either you posted "God is not like us in the sense that he has a natural inclination toward loneliness" or you didn't, and in fact you did. Babble, babble toil and trabble.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 27, 2018 13:39:01 GMT
If God's the one deciding to create these people, I don't see how he should be setting his own creations (who never asked to be born) all the work in setting up the so called perfect world, when as an omnipotent and omniscient being, he could basically move one pinky finger and have everything set up perfectly. And if you ceased to exist, then you'd have no boredom to have to stave off, nor cravings to satisfy, and you wouldn't feel deprived of any of the heavenly delights...so I really don't get the point. Shhhhh...don't piss him off.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 27, 2018 14:13:49 GMT
If God's the one deciding to create these people, I don't see how he should be setting his own creations (who never asked to be born) all the work in setting up the so called perfect world, when as an omnipotent and omniscient being, he could basically move one pinky finger and have everything set up perfectly. And if you ceased to exist, then you'd have no boredom to have to stave off, nor cravings to satisfy, and you wouldn't feel deprived of any of the heavenly delights...so I really don't get the point. Shhhhh...don't piss him off. Why would that piss me off? Him raising a question based on his own feelings... even if they are somewhat illogical and slightly moronic.. has no effect on my emotions. 1) Why create intelligent life and give them nothing to do? Have you ever not worked on/built something and had a sense of accomplishment and satisfaction afterwards? Why is having nothing to do his version of perfection? This "have everything set up perfectly" only makes sense if we were only as smart as hamsters. Even then: Who buys an ant farm and tries to build the farm for them? 2) Him not understanding why life is preferable to death is just silly. So, yeah.... Not pissed off. Sorry to disappoint. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/h9mxca7bt/wave.gif)
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Post by Isapop on Jan 27, 2018 14:22:20 GMT
Shhhhh...don't piss him off. Why would that piss me off? Sorry to disappoint. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/h9mxca7bt/wave.gif) I wasn't talking about you. My response was to what mic said in response to what I said. Sorry to disappoint.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 27, 2018 14:34:40 GMT
Why would that piss me off? Sorry to disappoint. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/h9mxca7bt/wave.gif) I wasn't talking about you. My response was to what mic said in response to what I said. Sorry to disappoint.
Sorry. My bad. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/s8tffwvq1/cheers.gif) I thought you were quoting his response to my reply. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/py0f8ura1/sad.gif) I should know better than looking at this board first thing in the morning... or before I get my coffee. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/g0ugcwpzt/sleep.gif) Don't pay attention to my dumbass... Actually, that applies for most of the day. The comeback: ![](https://s26.postimg.org/c2xjcn7h5/none.gif) - "' Most of the day?'....... That's being generous."
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 27, 2018 14:43:17 GMT
Let me know, mic, if this answers your question: Contrary to popular theology, God's plan for man's salvation isn't to bring him to heaven (except for a select 144,000 mentioned in Revelation). After Armageddon, the "end of the world" (not earth, but civilization really)those who are "saved" can live forever on earth. The work that needs doing will be to give the earth a kind of global makeover to bring it to its original perfection of Eden. Everybody will roll up their sleeves and pitch in, with Jesus as kind of the boss of it all. That takes about 1000 years. I hope that makes it a bit clearer.
Thanks, I appreciate that. I had never heard of that. It still doesn't seem like a very good reward, if the supposed 'punishment' is that you get to simply stop existing. And it also doesn't make sense that God couldn't or wouldn't just do the work himself. Before you get confused about my statements and bring this up in later discussion, Isapop is not explaining things for me, but for his own satisfaction.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 17:52:50 GMT
Shhhhh...don't piss him off. Why would that piss me off? Him raising a question based on his own feelings... even if they are somewhat illogical and slightly moronic.. has no effect on my emotions. 1) Why create intelligent life and give them nothing to do? Have you ever not worked on/built something and had a sense of accomplishment and satisfaction afterwards? Why is having nothing to do his version of perfection? This "have everything set up perfectly" only makes sense if we were only as smart as hamsters. Even then: Who buys an ant farm and tries to build the farm for them? 2) Him not understanding why life is preferable to death is just silly. So, yeah.... Not pissed off. Sorry to disappoint. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/h9mxca7bt/wave.gif) 1) You (inadvertently?) raised the problem with your own argument. What was the need to create intelligent life at all? And if he is an omnipotent creator, he could easily have made the intelligent life so that those creatures were predisposed not to have any boredom or need for a feeling of accomplishment that needed to be satisfied. Because the flipside is that you have all these people who, despite their best interests, aren't very productive and seldom attain that sense of accomplishment and satisfaction. He didn't need to leave his creations on an unsafe planet, abandoning all duty of care for the creatures that he forced into existence. So God was the one who created the problem in the first place, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that if he's going to create beings who didn't consent to being part of his experiment, he'd make it so that their existence wasn't going to be an imposition, and they could only ever be thankful for existence. Or at least if he did set work for us to do, it was never drudgery (which our Earthly work certainly is). And where are all these legions of the undead working on transforming the Earth back into Eden? 2) You think that life is preferable to death not having experienced that option. Prior to existence, there was no you that was desperate to be birthed, and all the scientific evidence suggests that your continued consciousness depends on having a functioning brain. Therefore it's exceedingly unlikely that your 'preference' is going to persist after you are dead, let alone that you're going to have the sense of being deprived of the eternal hereafter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 17:53:58 GMT
Thanks, I appreciate that. I had never heard of that. It still doesn't seem like a very good reward, if the supposed 'punishment' is that you get to simply stop existing. And it also doesn't make sense that God couldn't or wouldn't just do the work himself. Before you get confused about my statements and bring this up in later discussion, Isapop is not explaining things for me, but for his own satisfaction. OK, but I'd like to know what the work regime that God is going to set for people in the hereafter is going to be, and why that's better than just ceasing to exist and never feeling deprived of eternal life. At least he tried to explain.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 27, 2018 18:30:09 GMT
2) You think that life is preferable to death not having experienced that option. Prior to existence, there was no you that was desperate to be birthed, and all the scientific evidence suggests that your continued consciousness depends on having a functioning brain. Therefore it's exceedingly unlikely that your 'preference' is going to persist after you are dead, let alone that you're going to have the sense of being deprived of the eternal hereafter. That is just an asinine argument. Nobody is suggesting that the dead would prefer being alive... It's probably closer to the opposite: The living would prefer not to be dead. Having "experienced" both non-existence and existence... I prefer existence. edit: Had to put "experienced" in question marks. I'm not really saying that I literally experienced it.... I have to be clear with you... It's a shame that I have to assume that you aren't smart enough to figure that out on your own.You not understanding the motivation of a character in a story isn't my problem. It's not even a problem. You don't know why God does things?.. "Boo Hoo! Sucks to be you." ![](https://s26.postimg.org/n7cun29i1/angry7.gif) - "I WUD HAF DUN IT DIFRENTLEE!!"
They're dead. They don't exist any more. The story is that they will be resurrected back to life in the future. Some people who actually believe The Bible understand that some things have yet to happen... Like stuff in the book of Revelation.. A book that you said you haven't read... In a Bible that you said that you haven't read... May I suggest that you at least read a book that you are going to constantly whine about... before you constantly whine about it? ![](https://s26.postimg.org/svo7b2k61/mjeyds.gif) And those same people probably view maintaining Paradise as falling in the "Not Drudgery" department.
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