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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 8:52:23 GMT
Extremely overrated.
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Post by poelzig on Jan 26, 2018 10:02:45 GMT
I would say the biggest audience were silly white liberals that NEVER interact with swarthy people. Hyperboliclly worshiping an average horror movie somehow eases their white guilt. It's a lot easier for them than, you know, actually talking to us or what not. Most of them totally missed the point of the movie anyway. Not a surprise. Can't blame Jordan Peele for cashing in on that white guilt though. It's just a shame that an actually deserving black film will get screwed over in the future because Get Out will win Best Picture this year. Calling it now. Hmmmm! So it could be that they pull another MOONLIGHT, because swarthy— great term—people haven't been given enough due in the film industry. Not withstanding, that 12YRS A SLAVE won picture a few years ago and not to mention other swarthy nominees winning. One year when they get dismissed, they jumped up and down and screamed racist and white privilege, as though they were entitled for a piece of the pie. Prior, the Oscars was more in keeping in check with fuddy duddy, archaic mentalities, now it is just one big pc, agenda driven borefest, that is becoming more transparent and meaningless as each year goes by. They will also be itching to give a black director an Oscar. I didn't think 12 Years a Slave was deserving. I call the genre that was popular for a few years slavery torture porn. Get Out is a more satisfying movie despite being average. You might be spoiling the movie it for yourself by reading these posts by the way. I haven't been specific but I and others have mentioned movies Peele "borrowed" from. By deserving I mean an actual entertaining movie that just happens to have a black director and/or cast. Can an actual crowd pleasing movie still win Best Picture? I would think my hypothetical deserving black film would get ignored if the cause de jour is transgendered males for example. I know when I occasionally go to Meta critic to find a highly rated new movie, all the stuff with overwhelming critical love has a description like "After being raped violently by her American tutor, a muslim lesbian must learn to love again." I will never watch that and not many people will except to boast about watching it. Can a movie that audiences and critics like win an Oscar anymore? Like Silence of the Lambs or Return of the King did? Or are we doomed to greasing the squeaky wheel from here on out?
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Post by sostie on Jan 26, 2018 10:23:05 GMT
we all know why it was nominated to the Osxars in the first place. Yes I do...hundreds of individuals who are experts in each craft it was nominated considered it one of the better films of the year and the accumulation of votes had it ranked as one of the highest of potential contenders. Or There is some conspiracy I think I'd go for the more probable and realistic former option.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 26, 2018 11:15:37 GMT
It felt like a better version of Hostel but an inferior product than Shutter Island, all these films having similar themes.
I still cannot believe the amount of Oscars its up for. Im starting to think its because of the actual plot concept it self - the idea of black men being manipulated by white supremacists, rather than the actual directing, acting, screenplay etc.
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Post by Marv on Jan 26, 2018 11:18:53 GMT
I thought 12 Years a Slave was absolutely deserving. The shot of the main character hanging from a noose gasping for breath in the forefront while the backdrop is a rather nice looking business as usual day on the farm is one of the best scenes I’ve ever watched.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 26, 2018 11:20:07 GMT
we all know why it was nominated to the Osxars in the first place. Yes I do...hundreds of individuals who are experts in each craft it was nominated considered it one of the better films of the year and the accumulation of votes had it ranked as one of the highest of potential contenders. Or There is some conspiracy I think I'd go for the more probable and realistic former option. The same experts who were collectively branded to having racist undertones for not selecting ethic minority actors, directors and films before the Oscars so white campaign. The same people who then immediately chose Moonlight as best picture (iv no problem with this win, 10x better than Get Out), but failed to even nominate Brokeback Mountain in 2005. And I suspect the decision to have Logan in best screenplay also played some part in pleasing the comic book crowd, going on past records. Theres no more neutrality anymore. Critics overpaying The last Jedi and Ghostbusters for its strong feminine characters another politically correct pleasing act. Point is, soon as there is some pressure on them to include minorities, they go overboard and try to please their doubters depending on the political climate.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 26, 2018 11:48:10 GMT
I loved it.
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Post by Xcalatë on Jan 26, 2018 12:02:27 GMT
Ridiculously overrated.
I can't remember a recent movie that has gotten so much undeserved praise, its a good movie for sure but Oscar material? no freaking way.
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Post by sostie on Jan 26, 2018 12:27:02 GMT
Yes I do...hundreds of individuals who are experts in each craft it was nominated considered it one of the better films of the year and the accumulation of votes had it ranked as one of the highest of potential contenders. Or There is some conspiracy I think I'd go for the more probable and realistic former option. The same experts who were collectively branded to having racist undertones for not selecting ethic minority actors, directors and films before the Oscars so white campaign. The same people who then immediately chose Moonlight as best picture (iv no problem with this win, 10x better than Get Out), but failed to even nominate Brokeback Mountain in 2005. And I suspect the decision to have Logan in best screenplay also played some part in pleasing the comic book crowd, going on past records. Theres no more neutrality anymore. Critics overpaying The last Jedi and Ghostbusters for its strong feminine characters another politically correct pleasing act. Point is, soon as there is some pressure on them to include minorities, they go overboard and try to please their doubters depending on the political climate. So it's more believable to think that 1000s voted for Moonlight in some non-organised statement of inclusion rather than they thought it deserved an award on it's own merits. And if that's the case how many did so? If any voters did so, was it a significant amount to make a difference? Did Moonlight win by a small or large margin of votes? And why have some concluded this is the case...because no "black" films were nominated one year but were the next! Comparing Moonlight with Brokeback is pointless - different year, different competition, different voters, different society As for Logan - so of the hundreds of writers (and it is only writers in the Academy that vote on the Screenplay award) a large number, from within a group that probably have no connection to, or have been involved with comic book movies seeing as the numbers are mostly made up of previous nominees and winners - collectively did so to please the comic book crowd? The political climate will always influence voters...it is one the conditions under which a film is made, viewed, judged. Would the Dear Hunter have got made or nominated had the political climate or opinion been different?
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Post by charzhino on Jan 26, 2018 12:35:17 GMT
So it's more believable to think that 1000s voted for Moonlight in some non-organised statement of inclusion rather than they thought it deserved an award on it's own merits. And if that's the case how many did so? If any voters did so, was it a significant amount to make a difference? Did Moonlight win by a small or large margin of votes? And why have some concluded this is the case...because no "black" films were nominated one year but were the next! Comparing Moonlight with Brokeback is pointless - different year, different competition, different voters, different society As for Logan - so of the hundreds of writers (and it is only writers in the Academy that vote on the Screenplay award) a large number, from within a group that probably have no connection to, or have been involved with comic book movies seeing as the numbers are mostly made up of previous nominees and winners - collectively did so to please the comic book crowd? The political climate will always influence voters...it is one the conditions under which a film is made, viewed, judged. Would the Dear Hunter have got made or nominated had the political climate or opinion been different? Its not clear cut as that. All im saying in my opinion is that when their is a perceived lack of minority recognition whether it be critic film reviews or awards, the response is usually to immediatly give accolades and glowing reviews to said projects/people regardless of its quality. Brokeback Mountain was snubbed by a lot of the same members of the Academy that are still members now but because the minority movement wasnt strong as it is today, nothing was done about it.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 26, 2018 13:10:22 GMT
So it's more believable to think that 1000s voted for Moonlight in some non-organised statement of inclusion rather than they thought it deserved an award on it's own merits. And if that's the case how many did so? If any voters did so, was it a significant amount to make a difference? Did Moonlight win by a small or large margin of votes? And why have some concluded this is the case...because no "black" films were nominated one year but were the next! Comparing Moonlight with Brokeback is pointless - different year, different competition, different voters, different society As for Logan - so of the hundreds of writers (and it is only writers in the Academy that vote on the Screenplay award) a large number, from within a group that probably have no connection to, or have been involved with comic book movies seeing as the numbers are mostly made up of previous nominees and winners - collectively did so to please the comic book crowd? The political climate will always influence voters...it is one the conditions under which a film is made, viewed, judged. Would the Dear Hunter have got made or nominated had the political climate or opinion been different? Its not clear cut as that. All im saying in my opinion is that when their is a perceived lack of minority recognition whether it be critic film reviews or awards, the response is usually to immediatly give accolades and glowing reviews to said projects/people regardless of its quality. Brokeback Mountain was snubbed by a lot of the same members of the Academy that are still members now but because the minority movement wasnt strong as it is today, nothing was done about it. This is inaccurate. the voting block of the Academy is bigger and more diverse. It is not the same and is decidedly different enough to look outside the box a bit. There is no conspiracy, just change The Oscars, realizing how old and white they had become, wisely and correctly decided to increase the voting pool to include more diversity which leads to interest in movies that promote or display diversity. I would challenge anyone who suggests that the diverse nominations still aren't either heavily populated by white people or that the scant minority representation isn't deserving of the award. If either or both of those are the case, there's literally no issue beyond a personal concern for something that isn't actually happening
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Jan 27, 2018 0:15:24 GMT
Yes I do...hundreds of individuals who are experts in each craft it was nominated considered it one of the better films of the year and the accumulation of votes had it ranked as one of the highest of potential contenders. Or There is some conspiracy I think I'd go for the more probable and realistic former option. The same experts who were collectively branded to having racist undertones for not selecting ethic minority actors, directors and films before the Oscars so white campaign. The same people who then immediately chose Moonlight as best picture (iv no problem with this win, 10x better than Get Out), but failed to even nominate Brokeback Mountain in 2005. And I suspect the decision to have Logan in best screenplay also played some part in pleasing the comic book crowd, going on past records. Theres no more neutrality anymore. Critics overpaying The last Jedi and Ghostbusters for its strong feminine characters another politically correct pleasing act. Point is, soon as there is some pressure on them to include minorities, they go overboard and try to please their doubters depending on the political climate. bump
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Post by James on Jan 27, 2018 0:37:32 GMT
Not really. IMO it's a great thriller regardless if it is similar to other films plotwise. The only thing I can disagree with is the shockingly high percentage RT has given it. 99%?!? It's more of 80% to me.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jan 27, 2018 0:40:16 GMT
It’s a great movie, but not sure it deserves a Oscar nom.
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Post by poelzig on Jan 27, 2018 1:04:44 GMT
Not really. IMO it's a great thriller regardless if it is similar to other films plotwise. The only thing I can disagree with is the shockingly high percentage RT has given it. 99%?!? It's more of 80% to me. 80% is closer to correct. Maybe it's unfair but when a movie's "influences" are painfully obvious I tend to deduct more points. I'm going out on a limb and guess you're a horror fan. How do you feel about RT listing it as the BEST horror movie of all time? Yes. Not even a year old but it's THE GREATEST HORROR MOVIE EVER!!!!!!!!!! according to RT.
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Post by mortsahlfan on Jan 27, 2018 1:06:50 GMT
One of the worst movies I have seen.. Cliche after cliche. Made in the lab of a 15-yr old.. Reminds me of that awful Scorsese movie.
If you liked being talked down to, this "movie" is for you! I'm embarrassed to even mention it, but since it was bumped back up again...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 1:19:25 GMT
Not really. IMO it's a great thriller regardless if it is similar to other films plotwise. The only thing I can disagree with is the shockingly high percentage RT has given it. 99%?!? It's more of 80% to me. 80% is closer to correct. Maybe it's unfair but when a movie's "influences" are painfully obvious I tend to deduct more points. I'm going out on a limb and guess you're a horror fan. How do you feel about RT listing it as the BEST horror movie of all time? Yes. Not even a year old but it's THE GREATEST HORROR MOVIE EVER!!!!!!!!!! according to RT. 80% with a 7.0 average rating sounds appropriate.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Jan 27, 2018 3:00:00 GMT
Not really. IMO it's a great thriller regardless if it is similar to other films plotwise. The only thing I can disagree with is the shockingly high percentage RT has given it. 99%?!? It's more of 80% to me. 80% is closer to correct. Maybe it's unfair but when a movie's "influences" are painfully obvious I tend to deduct more points. I'm going out on a limb and guess you're a horror fan. How do you feel about RT listing it as the BEST horror movie of all time? Yes. Not even a year old but it's THE GREATEST HORROR MOVIE EVER!!!!!!!!!! according to RT. I know you didn't ask me, but I'd like to answer as a consecrated horror fan: THAT DISTINCTION IS BULLSHIT!!!I love the genre and it is an insult, a slap to the face of horror fans.
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Post by DarkManX on Jan 27, 2018 3:11:46 GMT
I thought it was very average. I'm not sure where this "greatest horror movie ever" thing is coming from. It isn't the greatest horror film ever by any stretch of the imagination nor is it the bets horror film I've ever seen.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Jan 27, 2018 3:22:44 GMT
I thought it was very average. I'm not sure where this "greatest horror movie ever" thing is coming from. It isn't the greatest horror film ever by any stretch of the imagination nor is it the bets horror film I've ever seen. Politics and bullshit pandering.
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