Uh... Venom anyone?

Fair enough.

However, I still feel that the Raimi Spider-Man novies where comic-booky enough.

ASM came out in 2012, when the MCU was in full swing and helped people accept non-grounded stuff like a Lizard man.

Let me put it this way, if Sandman had been the villain of the first movie (and it was clearly shown he was the thief who killed Ben all along) odds are there'd have been no sequels because the audience never would've accepted a guy made of Sand back in 2002. He's too unbelievable and non-grounded.

I didn't have a problem with Eddie not being some steroid case, it helped sell the idea of him being an evil version of Spider-Men even better than the comics ever did.

So after Star lord danced Ronan just fell over and died? Umm yeah never happened.

When he was introduced, the purpose of his character was to give readers a villain who knew Peter's identity because at the time Norman Osborn was dead and Harry had been brainwashed into forgetting (I think). Problem was, Venom never had much to his character beyond "Revenge on Spider-Man" so he was really just a superpowered stalker.

They gave him a few moments where he still said stuff about innocent people and how he felt bad for killing them when they got in his way. This was meant to show how messed up he was but some people took it to mean that he wasn't all bad. Plus, his design was really popular (it's his looks that got him his real popularity) so writers kept bringing him back despite how flat a character he really was.

Originally, Eddie Brock was supposed to die early on and the symbiote move from host to host in it's quest for vengeance. Like bond with Jameson or Doc Ock. But for some reason they never did this and because it was now the 90s when Anti-heroes were popular they made Venom into one. Carnage was created to give us a villain SO horrible Venom would look heroic by comparison. Of course Carnage has never been much but a Joker knock-off.

They seemed to finally learn their lesson by separating Brock from the symbiote and have it move from host to host until Flash Thompson got it and has been trying to use it as a force for good.

Most writers forgot that the symbiote is affected by the host, the bonding goes both ways. It only became evil originally because Brock's own insanity (later stories showed he was always a deeply unbalanced individual) drove the symbiote insane. In other stories when it joins with a good person (like Harry's son Normie Osborn) it absorbed the goodness and became more heroic.

So you're upset that a human (well, part human) used something an alien wouldn't understand to distract him long enough to defeat him?

Cripes, stay away from Star Trek. They use stuff like that all the time.

It kind of is actually by superhero movie standards. The entire reason they never did The Mandarin in Iron Man or Iron Man 2 was because they thought he didn't fit in with the more realistic tone that they'd set up.

Spider-man 3 had a parasite from another another world which then bonded with a human to turn him into a monster. 

Fantastic Four 2 had a silver alien being travel through space to Earth to warn them of an incoming sentinent storm that was going to destroy the planet.

Batman Forever had Riddler create a device so to steal brain waves from people over all of Gotham to add to his own intelligence.

Batman and Robin had a plant lady and Mr Freeze who froze an entire city with a telescope.

The X-men movies had all manner of weird beings including someone who looks like a blue gorilla, someone who can move the entire Golden Gate Bridge, someone who can almost kill everyone on the planet with his mind, a lion man, a guy who can extend needles from his face, a guy with angel wings and someone who can turn into a block of ice.

Iron Man was one of the most grounded superhero movies that they'd ever made at the time.

So like the ending to Wonder Woman then.

That's not the reason that was given. They thought that a villain with magical rings didn't fit with what they'd made.

That's why they were either going to not have The Mandarin at all or they were going to instead make his powers revolve around technology instead of magic.




That's not really relevant. They'd made plenty of superhero movies that weren't grounded, the majority of the ones that had been made weren't grounded.

Iron Man was one of the most grounded ones that they'd made. So saying they had the courage to make a non grounded movie with Iron Man doesn't make any sense.