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Post by gomezaddams666 on Feb 19, 2018 19:27:55 GMT
I do. But at least the comics stopped trying to use that to make us sympathize with Magneto a long while back. The MCU uses HYDRA a lot, tho. Does tat bother you?
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2018 20:24:05 GMT
I do. But at least the comics stopped trying to use that to make us sympathize with Magneto a long while back. The MCU uses HYDRA a lot, tho. Does tat bother you? Hydra isn't a Nazi-exclusive thing, so no. Nor does Cap or Bucky use them as justification to do whatever they want.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 19, 2018 20:35:56 GMT
Have to disagree with people saying the film is overly political. There is a political subtext to be sure (and considering the central character is also the leader of a nation, you should expect that), but it keeps its messages positive and doesn't preach or beat you over the head with politics. Hell, maybe the best line in the film is T'Challa talking about 'the illusion of division' and how we should focus on ignoring our differences and resolving issues. Only the most radical of political minds would disagree with this concept.
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Post by damngumby on Feb 19, 2018 21:39:53 GMT
Hell, maybe the best line in the film is T'Challa talking about 'the illusion of division' and how we should focus on ignoring our differences and resolving issues. Only the most radical of political minds would disagree with this concept. What would the Democrats run on then? The last thing they want is racial harmony and cooperation. Gotta keep them liberals angry!
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Post by darkpast on Feb 19, 2018 22:00:33 GMT
#WakandaNeverAgain
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Feb 19, 2018 22:54:48 GMT
The MCU uses HYDRA a lot, tho. Does tat bother you? Hydra isn't a Nazi-exclusive thing, so no. Nor does Cap or Bucky use them as justification to do whatever they want. Cap does blame HYDRA for Bucky's actions, tho.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2018 22:58:07 GMT
Hydra isn't a Nazi-exclusive thing, so no. Nor does Cap or Bucky use them as justification to do whatever they want. Cap does blame HYDRA for Bucky's actions, tho. He doesn't use it as justification for absolutely everything, like Magneto does with the Holocaust.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Feb 19, 2018 22:59:16 GMT
Cap does blame HYDRA for Bucky's actions, tho. He doesn't use it as justification for absolutely everything, like Magneto does with the Holocaust. To be fair people like Stryker and Trask give plenty of reasons as well.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2018 23:36:05 GMT
He doesn't use it as justification for absolutely everything, like Magneto does with the Holocaust. To be fair people like Stryker and Trask give plenty of reasons as well. They were written as Holocaust exploitation too, like Nazi scientists using Mutants for horrible experiments.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Feb 19, 2018 23:50:14 GMT
To be fair people like Stryker and Trask give plenty of reasons as well. They were written as Holocaust exploitation too, like Nazi scientists using Mutants for horrible experiments. I think the core of the X-Men has always been a metaphor for alienated groups of people. Not everyone is a nazi.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 20, 2018 2:05:29 GMT
They were written as Holocaust exploitation too, like Nazi scientists using Mutants for horrible experiments. I think the core of the X-Men has always been a metaphor for alienated groups of people. Not everyone is a nazi. Too bad the movies disagree and milk the Nazi and Holocaust stuff for all its worth.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Feb 20, 2018 2:35:56 GMT
I think the core of the X-Men has always been a metaphor for alienated groups of people. Not everyone is a nazi. Too bad the movies disagree and milk the Nazi and Holocaust stuff for all its worth. I didn't really feel that on X-2, more like LGBTQ when Bobby's mom says "Have you tried not being a mutant?"
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Post by charzhino on Feb 20, 2018 11:23:17 GMT
I think the core of the X-Men has always been a metaphor for alienated groups of people. Not everyone is a nazi. Too bad the movies disagree and milk the Nazi and Holocaust stuff for all its worth. xmen is a metaphor for ALL minorities. The origin of Magnetos division was the Holocaust but the rest of the films human/mutant conflicts are representative of any form of prejudice from white supremacy, LGBT oppression, anti-Semitism, islamaphobia, sexism, racism. Listen to Magnetos speech at the end of DOFP , its not holocaust specific. "You are afraid of our gifts. Because we are different. Humanity has always feared that what is different" Its a generalist statement. So stop with your B.S about holocaust exploitation. Its getting old and is offensive.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 20, 2018 11:59:17 GMT
Too bad the movies disagree and milk the Nazi and Holocaust stuff for all its worth. xmen is a metaphor for ALL minorities. The origin of Magnetos division was the Holocaust but the rest of the films human/mutant conflicts are representative of any form of prejudice from white supremacy, LGBT oppression, anti-Semitism, islamaphobia, sexism, racism. Listen to Magnetos speech at the end of DOFP , its not holocaust specific. "You are afraid of our gifts. Because we are different. Humanity has always feared that what is different" Its a generalist statement. So stop with your B.S about holocaust exploitation. Its getting old and is offensive. Too bad the metaphor falls flat when you realize that, unlike all those harmless differences you bring up, Mutants are different in a way people SHOULD be wary of. Take your average human, someone who hates their lot in life and their job and is generally frustrated. Now give that guy superpowers. Not a pretty picture. Humans aren't afraid of mutants because they don't understand them, they fear them because they understand them too well. Some of the comics even bring this up and Xavier admits its a very good argument.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 20, 2018 12:45:47 GMT
Take your average human, someone who hates their lot in life and their job and is generally frustrated. Now give that guy guns/suicide vest/platform. Not a pretty picture. No diffrent. No they fear them because they aren't in the public domain. They fear them because they are seen as satanic hell spawns like nightcrawler. Because they look intimidating and threatening.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 20, 2018 13:30:17 GMT
Take your average human, someone who hates their lot in life and their job and is generally frustrated. Now give that guy guns/suicide vest/platform. Not a pretty picture. No diffrent. Yeah, and that's the thing. Both are dangerous and defenseless people have a right to be protected against those types. And mutants don't help because they REFUSE to do anything about it. They refuse to do anything to prove they aren't dangerous, Xavier refuses to work with the Government to do ANYTHING and instead he cloisters kids up like a Cult and have illegal military grade equipment in his school. The X-Men are a bunch of incompetents.
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 20, 2018 13:44:50 GMT
Actually people are pissed off how they treated Apocalypse. Who is that lol? The movie was a huge hit worldwide, and its my all time favorite X-Men movie, great action, great visual effects, and the young cast was so much better than I'd thought they'd be The movie was absolute trash. It was actually one of the worst X-Men movies if not the worst one and that is saying something when X-Men: The Last Stand exists.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 20, 2018 13:50:03 GMT
Who is that lol? The movie was a huge hit worldwide, and its my all time favorite X-Men movie, great action, great visual effects, and the young cast was so much better than I'd thought they'd be The movie was absolute trash. It was actually one of the worst X-Men movies if not the worst one and that is saying something when X-Men: The Last Stand exists. Even worse than infamously maligned ‘X-Men Origins: Wolverine’? If so, why?
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Post by charzhino on Feb 20, 2018 14:12:11 GMT
And mutants don't help because they REFUSE to do anything about it. They refuse to do anything to prove they aren't dangerous, Xavier refuses to work with the Government to do ANYTHING and instead he cloisters kids up like a Cult and have illegal military grade equipment in his school. The X-Men are a bunch of incompetents. In First Class Xavier wants Eric to publicly demonstrate they are peaceful by dropping the missle attack. Eric doesnt and Xavier has to start from scratch. In DOFP, Xavier again tells Mistique to publicly drop the gun to show mutants are friends and not enemies. She does, and mutant-human relations are much better in Apocalypse where we see schools teaching positively about Mistique saving the president and her becoming a national hero - even though she doesnt feel like one. But this trust is wrecked when a supermutant wakes up and causes mayhem. Not Xaviers fault, although his team stop him. And because of this, I read that Dark Phoneix starts out with Xavier as Time magazine person of the decade and the Xmen are seen as national heros and loved.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Feb 20, 2018 14:19:25 GMT
The movie was absolute trash. It was actually one of the worst X-Men movies if not the worst one and that is saying something when X-Men: The Last Stand exists. Even worse than infamously maligned ‘X-Men Origins: Wolverine’? If so, why? No, I think ‘X-Men Origins: Wolverine’ is the worst.
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