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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 20, 2018 4:43:25 GMT
In medieval times, royal succession was often decided by war or combat. But now in the 21st century, I'm not aware of any monarchy currently in existence anywhere in the world today where royal succession is decided by mortal combat. Civilization has advanced to the point where transition of a Crown or a throne is done by a peaceful transfer of power and not by bloodshed and mortal combat.
Except for Wakanda. Wakanda is supposedly a technologically advanced nation. Yet now in the 21st century, Wakanda still follows the medieval and barbaric tradition of royal succession by bloodshed and mortal combat.
1 MCU fan said he prefers that a King have to prove himself worthy of the throne rather than inherit the throne through royal birth. But even if Wakanda wanted their King to prove himself worthy, there are peaceful ways to do that without bloodshed and mortal combat. They could design an Olympic-style decathlon competition in which challengers for the throne compete and the winner becomes King. No bloodshed and no mortal combat.
Yet Wakanda still holds on to their barbaric tradition of royal succession by bloodshed and mortal combat. The only reason I can think of that they would hold on to such a medieval and barbaric tradition now in the 21st century is because Wakandans are bloodthirsty and have a large appetite for bloodlust.
Wakandans enjoy seeing blood spilled and human life taken, similar to how the ancient Romans enjoyed seeing gladiators fight in the Coliseum. The rest of the world has advanced beyond such barbaric spectacle in the 21st century, but not Wakandans. Wakandans are still bloodthirsty and still enjoy seeing blood spilled and human life taken.
Could the Wakandans' large appetite for seeing blood spilled and human life taken be a side effect of living in an environment surrounded by all that vibranium? Because there just doesn't seem to be any other logical explanation for why a 21st-century nation (especially 1 that is supposedly technologically advanced) to still hold on to such a medieval and barbaric spectacle of bloodshed and mortal combat.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 5:22:56 GMT
On my planet the succession to the royal throne is determined by mortal combat. President Ackbar™ and I defeated two other Mon Cals to become President and Vice President respectfully. The losers were then served as a delicious sushi buffet! Good times.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 8:31:15 GMT
^^^^he is right. That sushi was extremely tasty.
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Post by dazz on Feb 20, 2018 8:53:47 GMT
Well that was dull and repetitive, if you wish to repeat yourself to inflate the size of your post in try finding different ways to say the same thing not just repeat the exact same phrasing every other line.
As for the point of your post or should I say the question posed in the post as we all know the point isn't to actually ask any question more so a ruse to allow you to bitch about something MCU related as it's all you do, but to the question no it's not due to vibranium.
You seem to mistake technological advancement with them evolving beyond their traditions, Wakanda is famously an isolationist culture they only rarely interact with outsiders and only ever to really benefit their own agenda or needs, Wakandan culture is technologically advanced but still deeply rooted in it's past, you add this to the fact that the leader of Wakanda is also typically either the Black Panther or were the Black Panther the nations greatest warrior and proving oneself in combat for the right to lead also makes sense.
If anything the ritual combat of leaders to determine who should lead is far more peaceful, I don't know as I haven't seen the film yet if T'Challa has to fight to be allowed to call himself king or if he is challenged and his ascension to the throne is just a time when any who wish to may challenge more easily, this negates large scale war between tribes limiting the number of deaths to a single person instead of hundreds or thousands which is far more civilised than open warfare, even with Killmongers challenge it makes sense rather than a violent coup where the royal families allies are divided leading to civil war, a member of the family can simply challenge for the right to lead, again limiting the deaths of the Wakandan people.
Considering that Wakanda recognises a monarchy not an elected government violence is the only way to force change in leadership, hell even with elected government's violence is also a tool to force regime changes, the fact Wakanda has a sacred and honoured method in which to allow for the change and yet protect it's people at the same time is far from barbaric, bloodthirsty, primitive or any other crap you want to call it, but we all know you don't care you just want to shit on the film.
Also the whole fight to the death thing also keeps the right to challenge from being meaninglessly used, only those willing to die will challenge, so people wont do it as a lark, it keeps the crown as being something only few who have strong convictions will go for, if theres no risk anyone would challenge, even those who have no business leading.
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 20, 2018 9:10:16 GMT
Also it is a status obsessed culture. Only nobles can challenge for the throne.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 20, 2018 9:29:27 GMT
Well that was dull and repetitive, if you wish to repeat yourself to inflate the size of your post in try finding different ways to say the same thing not just repeat the exact same phrasing every other line. As for the point of your post or should I say the question posed in the post as we all know the point isn't to actually ask any question more so a ruse to allow you to bitch about something MCU related as it's all you do, but to the question no it's not due to vibranium. You seem to mistake technological advancement with them evolving beyond their traditions, Wakanda is famously an isolationist culture they only rarely interact with outsiders and only ever to really benefit their own agenda or needs, Wakandan culture is technologically advanced but still deeply rooted in it's past, you add this to the fact that the leader of Wakanda is also typically either the Black Panther or were the Black Panther the nations greatest warrior and proving oneself in combat for the right to lead also makes sense. If anything the ritual combat of leaders to determine who should lead is far more peaceful, I don't know as I haven't seen the film yet if T'Challa has to fight to be allowed to call himself king or if he is challenged and his ascension to the throne is just a time when any who wish to may challenge more easily, this negates large scale war between tribes limiting the number of deaths to a single person instead of hundreds or thousands which is far more civilised than open warfare, even with Killmongers challenge it makes sense rather than a violent coup where the royal families allies are divided leading to civil war, a member of the family can simply challenge for the right to lead, again limiting the deaths of the Wakandan people. Considering that Wakanda recognises a monarchy not an elected government violence is the only way to force change in leadership, hell even with elected government's violence is also a tool to force regime changes, the fact Wakanda has a sacred and honoured method in which to allow for the change and yet protect it's people at the same time is far from barbaric, bloodthirsty, primitive or any other crap you want to call it, but we all know you don't care you just want to shit on the film. Also the whole fight to the death thing also keeps the right to challenge from being meaninglessly used, only those willing to die will challenge, so people wont do it as a lark, it keeps the crown as being something only few who have strong convictions will go for, if theres no risk anyone would challenge, even those who have no business leading. And who says anyone has to die in the transition of power? Either opponent can submit without forfeiting their life and honor will still be satisfied. OP must have watched a very sketchy bootleg of the film. Doesn’t seem like he followed the details of the plot very well.
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Post by sostie on Feb 20, 2018 10:02:51 GMT
Poor DC-Fan...not had a good few months. He seems to be coming apart at the seams
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Post by charzhino on Feb 20, 2018 11:08:50 GMT
Its a great point. The film basically is reinforcing the stereotype that Africans will still be primitive and savages even if they had kept their natural resources.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 20, 2018 12:02:42 GMT
They do it because the Panther God, who they know exists, told them to set up that kind of system.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 20, 2018 13:06:45 GMT
Its part of their culture, so who cares? In America our presidency is rigged by the rich and powerful so What's to say we are any better?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 20, 2018 13:38:18 GMT
Its a great point. The film basically is reinforcing the stereotype that Africans will still be primitive and savages even if they had kept their natural resources. Or, it could suggest that African’s with advanced technology and freedom from colonialism would not have held their society to euro-centric ideas of civility. The Wakandan system of succession is based on well established, centuries-old rules and traditions. Who are you to say they are primitive?
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 20, 2018 13:38:35 GMT
Its part of their culture, so who cares? In America our presidency is rigged by the rich and powerful so What's to say we are any better? Actually Hillary lost. Trump was not the establishment candidate or even the Rebulican establishment candidate. Wakanda is an absolute monarchy and thus a dictatorship.
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 20, 2018 13:42:39 GMT
Its a great point. The film basically is reinforcing the stereotype that Africans will still be primitive and savages even if they had kept their natural resources. Or, it could suggest that African’s with advanced technology and freedom from colonialism would not have held their society to euro-centric ideas of civility. The Wakandan system of succession is based on well established, centuries-old rules and traditions. Who are you to say they are primitive? The cultural relativism you use to justify what equates to human rights violations is typical of MCU fans.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 20, 2018 13:44:34 GMT
Its part of their culture, so who cares? In America our presidency is rigged by the rich and powerful so What's to say we are any better? Actually Hillary lost. Trump was not the establishment candidate or even the Rebulican establishment candidate. Wakanda is an absolute monarchy and thus a dictatorship. And how did that work out for the U.S. ultimately?
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 20, 2018 13:49:28 GMT
Actually Hillary lost. Trump was not the establishment candidate or even the Rebulican establishment candidate. Wakanda is an absolute monarchy and thus a dictatorship. And how did that work out for the U.S. ultimately? Quite good so far.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 20, 2018 13:50:35 GMT
Its a great point. The film basically is reinforcing the stereotype that Africans will still be primitive and savages even if they had kept their natural resources. Or, it could suggest that African’s with advanced technology and freedom from colonialism would not have held their society to euro-centric ideas of civility. The Wakandan system of succession is based on well established, centuries-old rules and traditions. Who are you to say they are primitive? Contesting a hand to hand combat duel where the loser may be legally murdered to decide the throne which requires attributes greater than just simply skilled combat is pretty primitive. The fact they also heavily believe in panther gods, ancestral rituals and are separated into "tribes" (basically real life Africans) also show even though they may possess advanced technology, they are not yet scientifically cultured as in a secular democratic society.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 20, 2018 13:50:46 GMT
And how did that work out for the U.S. ultimately? Quite good so far. I think Charlottesville would like to have a word with you...
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 20, 2018 13:57:01 GMT
Or, it could suggest that African’s with advanced technology and freedom from colonialism would not have held their society to euro-centric ideas of civility. The Wakandan system of succession is based on well established, centuries-old rules and traditions. Who are you to say they are primitive? The cultural relativism you use to justify what equates to human rights violations is typical of MCU fans. Whose rights are being violated if both participants are willing and can opt out of the process if they do not wish tp pursue the throne?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 20, 2018 14:01:13 GMT
Or, it could suggest that African’s with advanced technology and freedom from colonialism would not have held their society to euro-centric ideas of civility. The Wakandan system of succession is based on well established, centuries-old rules and traditions. Who are you to say they are primitive? Contesting a hand to hand combat duel where the loser may be legally murdered to decide the throne which requires attributes greater than just simply skilled combat is pretty primitive. The fact they also heavily believe in panther gods, ancestral rituals and are separated into "tribes" (basically real life Africans) also show even though they may possess advanced technology, they are not yet scientifically cultured as in a secular democratic society. Wow. I'm going to stop this conversation here before it truly becomes savage. Thanks for your input.
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 20, 2018 14:01:54 GMT
The cultural relativism you use to justify what equates to human rights violations is typical of MCU fans. Whose rights are being violated if both participants are willing and can opt out of the process if they do not wish tp pursue the throne? The people of Wakanda who live under a thugocracy which denies them democracy.
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