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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 30, 2017 11:54:52 GMT
Freddy/Jason Alien/Predator View Askew DC Animated Movies A bunch of lower budget stuff and one higher budget stuff but Aliens don't have an Avengers type team up movie restricting what the creators can do. Shared universe mega budget movies are an affront to nature. Why, because having all these wondrous characters co-exist is wrong? If anything, that takes away restrictions.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 30, 2017 13:03:41 GMT
Freddy/Jason Alien/Predator View Askew DC Animated Movies A bunch of lower budget stuff and one higher budget stuff but Aliens don't have an Avengers type team up movie restricting what the creators can do. Shared universe mega budget movies are an affront to nature. Now, now. No excuses. The plain fact is there are plenty of shared universes out there.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 30, 2017 13:19:44 GMT
A bunch of lower budget stuff and one higher budget stuff but Aliens don't have an Avengers type team up movie restricting what the creators can do. Shared universe mega budget movies are an affront to nature. Why, because having all these wondrous characters co-exist is wrong? If anything, that takes away restrictions. You always make this point, and it's grammatically/syntactically meaningless and makes you sound like you have autism. Nobody who's ever criticized the MCU cares that you find the characters are "wondrous," and everyone grasps the basic tenets of the "shared universe" concept with literally nobody saying it's an inherently inferior idea. You should drop point points from your act/shtick and, like, lose that in lieu of new material.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 30, 2017 13:20:32 GMT
Yes. View Askew. Kevin's Smith's good movies. FIFY.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 30, 2017 13:22:15 GMT
Ha ha, touche.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 30, 2017 13:23:54 GMT
Why, because having all these wondrous characters co-exist is wrong? If anything, that takes away restrictions. You always make this point, and it's grammatically/syntactically meaningless and makes you sound like you have autism. Nobody who's ever criticized the MCU cares that you find the characters are "wondrous," and everyone grasps the basic tenets of the "shared universe" concept with literally nobody saying it's an inherently inferior idea. You should drop point points from your act/shtick and, like, lose that in lieu of new material. Medjay is. Outright.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 30, 2017 13:28:40 GMT
You always make this point, and it's grammatically/syntactically meaningless and makes you sound like you have autism. Nobody who's ever criticized the MCU cares that you find the characters are "wondrous," and everyone grasps the basic tenets of the "shared universe" concept with literally nobody saying it's an inherently inferior idea. You should drop point points from your act/shtick and, like, lose that in lieu of new material. Medjay is. Outright. Is that what he's saying? He's kind of vague and noncommittal. I thought he was saying the interconnectedness of the MCU made it some sort of cinematic abomination never before seen, but then y'all corrected eem with the View Askewniverse, etc. Alright, well, then -- Jesus Christ, I can't believe I'm saying this -- I agree with formersamhmd on that score. It's not a good or bad thing and of itself; it's about how it's used, and "if anything, it creates less restrictions" because you're expanding the canvas dramatically so that more events can occur on screen. But I refuse to call anything "wondrous"! Except the box office numbers on The Force Awakens, but we're not going down that road...
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 30, 2017 13:34:59 GMT
Why, because having all these wondrous characters co-exist is wrong? If anything, that takes away restrictions. You always make this point, and it's grammatically/syntactically meaningless and makes you sound like you have autism. Nobody who's ever criticized the MCU cares that you find the characters are "wondrous," and everyone grasps the basic tenets of the "shared universe" concept with literally nobody saying it's an inherently inferior idea. You should drop point points from your act/shtick and, like, lose that in lieu of new material. Because most critics of the MCU hate that they tell stories that embrace the comic-bookiness of it all, instead of that creatively bankrupt "grounded" approach. And they hate how the characters co-exist instead of each character being in their own separate Universe with absolutely no connection to anyone else. Basically, they want things to be the way they were in 2000 with no innovation.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 30, 2017 14:22:20 GMT
You always make this point, and it's grammatically/syntactically meaningless and makes you sound like you have autism. Nobody who's ever criticized the MCU cares that you find the characters are "wondrous," and everyone grasps the basic tenets of the "shared universe" concept with literally nobody saying it's an inherently inferior idea. You should drop point points from your act/shtick and, like, lose that in lieu of new material. Because most critics of the MCU hate that they tell stories that embrace the comic-bookiness of it all, instead of that creatively bankrupt "grounded" approach. And they hate how the characters co-exist instead of each character being in their own separate Universe with absolutely no connection to anyone else. Basically, they want things to be the way they were in 2000 with no innovation. I really think that's a false dichotomy, dude. I've never heard anyone criticize Marvel movies for those reasons. Everyone knows the interconnectivity of the movies and their willingness to unapologetically mirror the costumes and other elements from the comics are strong suits. My main struggle with the MCU movies is just the opposite -- that the films, with their tone, are apologetic to me, under the guise of not being so. The witty/Whedon dialogue, while sometimes really funny, is far too frequent for my personal taste, takes away gravitas from the tone of the films for me subjectively as a viewer, and contributes to this underlying message of, "Yeah, we know they look ridiculous, but we're all having fun here, right? It's okay to laugh. It's okay to like it." This was a brilliant, original approach and worked really well for me in basically all of Phase One, culminating in Avengers, which I thought was the most effective use of this technique. But they've made however-many (nine?) movies since then, and apart from the Winter Soldier one they've all "felt" the same to me, and therefore that's a bit stale for me and even a little tired. So I can see how someone who loves those MCU characters and earlier films but found movies like Deadpool or Logan (and, of course, WSoldier) a breath of fresh air would feel "trapped" by what they might perceive as the one-dimensionality of the MCU in that respect. Also, as a point of information, I've not seen Dr. Strange and that looked to be at least somewhat unique or divergent from this trend. Quite honestly, as a matter of preference as a lifelong fan of comics, I prefer a "straight" comic book movie like Batman (1989) or Spider-Man (2002), where they're just making a superhero movie without all the "meta" references (apart from the rare easter egg for hardcore fans -- the Bob Kane drawing, the Stan Lee cameo, etc.) to keep "winking" at the viewer. I specifically chose those movies because I consider them to similar in their approach to the source material, Batman being directly based on the Frank Miller stuff as its primary source material and the Raimi movie mainly predicated on the first volume of Ultimate Spider-Man. I don't consider either to be taking a "grounded" approach, and I think that criticism more aptly applies to stuff like X-Men (2000), which was a product of a totally different studio environment and different factors. But virtually everyone recognizes the coolness of the shared universe and how all-in they are in terms of letting the characters be, Stark notwithstanding, their "616" comic counterparts.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 30, 2017 14:33:07 GMT
Well, the real reason people keep saying "There's no stakes!" in MCU movies is because MCU was nice enough to let them know about future movies in advance. So they know the world isn't going to end in any movies before Infinity War, nor will anyone important die.
Of course, recklessly killing off characters is poor writing but it seems people went into Civil War wanting a bloodbath where 99% of the cast died.
And if the movies "look" the same, it's because they're all supposed to be in the same world.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 30, 2017 14:38:54 GMT
Is that what he's saying? He's kind of vague and noncommittal. I thought he was saying the interconnectedness of the MCU made it some sort of cinematic abomination never before seen, but then y'all corrected eem with the View Askewniverse, etc. Alright, well, then -- Jesus Christ, I can't believe I'm saying this -- I agree with formersamhmd on that score. It's not a good or bad thing and of itself; it's about how it's used, and "if anything, it creates less restrictions" because you're expanding the canvas dramatically so that more events can occur on screen. But I refuse to call anything "wondrous"! Except the box office numbers on The Force Awakens, but we're not going down that road... Agreed. No singular trope is right or wrong. Just how they're used.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 30, 2017 14:41:48 GMT
Well, the real reason people keep saying "There's no stakes!" in MCU movies is because MCU was nice enough to let them know about future movies in advance. So they know the world isn't going to end in any movies before Infinity War, nor will anyone important die. Of course, recklessly killing off characters is poor writing but it seems people went into Civil War wanting a bloodbath where 99% of the cast died. And if the movies "look" the same, it's because they're all supposed to be in the same world. Sure; the aesthetic congruity is an asset. I was talking about their tonal sameness and my perceptions as a viewer over time. I've not heard the "No stakes!" argument. That's interesting. We'll see what they say after Thanos kills like two-thirds of the cast.
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Post by HorrorMetal on May 15, 2018 19:01:41 GMT
I wouldn't stop watching, but I don't think there's a feasible way to pull that off. All of a sudden mutants co-exist in a world with superheroes who were created but there was never any mention of it before? Plus two Quicksilvers? And the X-Men universe is already convoluted as hell with its messy timelines and continuity inconsistencies so I feel like it would just make things even more confusing. As much as I love the X-Men movies, I think the characters should just be rebooted into the MCU with a fresh start.
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Post by harpospoke on May 18, 2018 6:05:34 GMT
I would watch more. Some of the Fox movies are "catch it 2nd or 3rd weekend" type movies.
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Post by Skaathar on May 19, 2018 2:31:25 GMT
I'm excited for the MCU to finally give us a proper X-Men movie
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 19, 2018 3:00:48 GMT
I'm excited for the MCU to finally give us a proper X-Men movie No, they will give another X2.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 19, 2018 16:04:26 GMT
Nah. I'll give Marvel Studios a chance with the X-Men. They did good with Infinity War, so I have some faith.
I do hope Ryan Renolds stays on as Deadpool.
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