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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 23, 2018 15:18:27 GMT
I agree and disagree with parts of the above, like Days of Future Past being better than Winter Solider. First Class being better than Civil War.... arguable I suppose but I think Civil War is just a genuinely more entertaining movie. But mainly, Guardians of the Galaxy was a light hearted movie with a lot of humour, the dance off was not a bad thing for that movie. It's not like it happened in Black Panther or Iron Man. It's like Deadpool, it's supposed to be a funny movie. And you'd obviously get a ton of CGI in a movie with a talking Racoon and Tree fighting against aliens in space. Civil War did not give me the intellectual clash of Xavier and Magneto with Tony and Steve. Not enough Holocaust Exploitation for you? Eh, banal. He's flat, no depth there. No, it didn't. It took the lazy way out, as always. And totally dropped this by the next movie whereas the MCU keeps plots going. Spidey, Black Panther. Of course the MCU is simply better at treating its characters well. As outdated.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 23, 2018 17:29:30 GMT
The first two are, TDKR was garbage. Anyway outside of those, the only good DC film has been Wonder Woman, and even that fell apart in the third act. Still a decent flick. The only good X-Men films for my money are First Class, Deadpool and Logan. Wrong. The Dark Knight Rises is still better than all of that. To each their own. For my money, TDKR was every bit as awful as Batman & Robin.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 23, 2018 17:48:57 GMT
I agree and disagree with parts of the above, like Days of Future Past being better than Winter Solider. First Class being better than Civil War.... arguable I suppose but I think Civil War is just a genuinely more entertaining movie. But mainly, Guardians of the Galaxy was a light hearted movie with a lot of humour, the dance off was not a bad thing for that movie. It's not like it happened in Black Panther or Iron Man. It's like Deadpool, it's supposed to be a funny movie. And you'd obviously get a ton of CGI in a movie with a talking Racoon and Tree fighting against aliens in space. Civil War did not give me the intellectual clash of Xavier and Magneto with Tony and Steve. I blame disney though. I enjoyed seeing Magneto finally use serenity and not rage to lift that submarine than the fun and joking airport fight scene from civil war and well .....though very artificial choreographed final fight between tony, bucky and steve in the end of civil war. First Class also dealt deeply with the war politics of cuba, usa, ussr than civil war dealt with superhero registration which was treated more as an afterthought in the movie. And lastly , Fassbender really broke out to become the mainstream working actor he is today because of his great performance as Magneto in first class.Civil War did not really have any stand out performance. All these from a legitimate good film making and film writing stand point puts xmen first class above civil war. I hate to say this but Marvel fans do not know much about film making. I really mean it and I am not throwing shade. I maybe be a fan of xmen but I am just a fan of the artistic side of film as much as I am a xmen fan. First Class has got nothing on Civil War. You didn't get the kind of emotional turmoil with Xavier's and Magneto's argument as you did with Steve and Tony. The action in CW stomps on anything we've seen in first class, the costumes are way better, and while acting from the main characters are on par, the side characters in CW were way better. Most of all though, CW allowed all of the characters moments to shine and be remembered. Even new comers Black Panther and Spiderman made a huge impact in that film - both of which were massively praised for their outstanding performances (contrary to what you were saying). In comparison, only Xavier, Magneto, Mystique and Shaw were memorable in First Class.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 23, 2018 17:51:49 GMT
On a side note: TDKR for me is like GOTG2. Both were pretty much just cruising on the momentum of their previous movies. People rated them high, probably not because of the quality of those movies but due mostly to the audience being hung up with the greatness of their previous movies. If you watch TDKR and GOTG2 on their own without their prequels, you'd realize that they're both nowhere near as good as people think they are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 18:11:41 GMT
Make a superb film with all that stuff and I’ll praise it. Avengers, Guardians, Civil War, Black Panther, Winter Soldier... Of course, you have to not be disgusted by those things. Which a lot of "grounded" CBM fans are. Winter Soldier is way more grounded than Batman Begins and even TDK. It's the most grounded superhero movie of all time.
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Post by scabab on Feb 23, 2018 18:20:32 GMT
Civil War did not give me the intellectual clash of Xavier and Magneto with Tony and Steve. I blame disney though. I enjoyed seeing Magneto finally use serenity and not rage to lift that submarine than the fun and joking airport fight scene from civil war and well .....though very artificial choreographed final fight between tony, bucky and steve in the end of civil war. First Class also dealt deeply with the war politics of cuba, usa, ussr than civil war dealt with superhero registration which was treated more as an afterthought in the movie. And lastly , Fassbender really broke out to become the mainstream working actor he is today because of his great performance as Magneto in first class.Civil War did not really have any stand out performance. All these from a legitimate good film making and film writing stand point puts xmen first class above civil war. I hate to say this but Marvel fans do not know much about film making. I really mean it and I am not throwing shade. I maybe be a fan of xmen but I am just a fan of the artistic side of film as much as I am a xmen fan. Civil War didn't have as good of a story as First Class and Tony against Steve wasn't written as well but it was more fun to see them beat each around. First Class wasn't really the most action packed more and even what it had wasn't great. That'd where I'd give Civil War the edge. But yeah the story, characters and acting were better in First Class. Possibly in general the X-men movies are superior in that regard, for the most part anyway.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 23, 2018 19:54:12 GMT
Civil War did not give me the intellectual clash of Xavier and Magneto with Tony and Steve. I blame disney though. I enjoyed seeing Magneto finally use serenity and not rage to lift that submarine than the fun and joking airport fight scene from civil war and well .....though very artificial choreographed final fight between tony, bucky and steve in the end of civil war. First Class also dealt deeply with the war politics of cuba, usa, ussr than civil war dealt with superhero registration which was treated more as an afterthought in the movie. And lastly , Fassbender really broke out to become the mainstream working actor he is today because of his great performance as Magneto in first class.Civil War did not really have any stand out performance. All these from a legitimate good film making and film writing stand point puts xmen first class above civil war. I hate to say this but Marvel fans do not know much about film making. I really mean it and I am not throwing shade. I maybe be a fan of xmen but I am just a fan of the artistic side of film as much as I am a xmen fan. Civil War didn't have as good of a story as First Class and Tony against Steve wasn't written as well but it was more fun to see them beat each around. First Class wasn't really the most action packed more and even what it had wasn't great. That'd where I'd give Civil War the edge. But yeah the story, characters and acting were better in First Class. Possibly in general the X-men movies are superior in that regard, for the most part anyway. I disagree. I think the Steve vs. Tony argument was the most well written hero vs. hero conflict in any cbm. And as for characters... other than Xavier, Magneto, Shaw and Mystique the rest of the First Class characters were completely forgettable.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 23, 2018 21:00:07 GMT
Avengers, Guardians, Civil War, Black Panther, Winter Soldier... Of course, you have to not be disgusted by those things. Which a lot of "grounded" CBM fans are. Winter Soldier is way more grounded than Batman Begins and even TDK. It's the most grounded superhero movie of all time. No it isn't. It features a secret Cult of Nazi Successors using automated flying aircraft carriers to kill people who could threaten them based on a program created by the Ghost of a Swiss Scientist preserved in a computer.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 23, 2018 21:00:53 GMT
Civil War did not give me the intellectual clash of Xavier and Magneto with Tony and Steve. I blame disney though. I enjoyed seeing Magneto finally use serenity and not rage to lift that submarine than the fun and joking airport fight scene from civil war and well .....though very artificial choreographed final fight between tony, bucky and steve in the end of civil war. First Class also dealt deeply with the war politics of cuba, usa, ussr than civil war dealt with superhero registration which was treated more as an afterthought in the movie. And lastly , Fassbender really broke out to become the mainstream working actor he is today because of his great performance as Magneto in first class.Civil War did not really have any stand out performance. All these from a legitimate good film making and film writing stand point puts xmen first class above civil war. I hate to say this but Marvel fans do not know much about film making. I really mean it and I am not throwing shade. I maybe be a fan of xmen but I am just a fan of the artistic side of film as much as I am a xmen fan. Civil War didn't have as good of a story as First Class and Tony against Steve wasn't written as well but it was more fun to see them beat each around. First Class wasn't really the most action packed more and even what it had wasn't great. That'd where I'd give Civil War the edge. But yeah the story, characters and acting were better in First Class. Possibly in general the X-men movies are superior in that regard, for the most part anyway. First Class didn't have much of a story, IMO. And the characters were just the usual type.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 23, 2018 21:17:26 GMT
Civil War didn't have as good of a story as First Class and Tony against Steve wasn't written as well but it was more fun to see them beat each around. First Class wasn't really the most action packed more and even what it had wasn't great. That'd where I'd give Civil War the edge. But yeah the story, characters and acting were better in First Class. Possibly in general the X-men movies are superior in that regard, for the most part anyway. First Class didn't have much of a story, IMO. And the characters were just the usual type. So basically you loved it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 21:26:54 GMT
Winter Soldier is way more grounded than Batman Begins and even TDK. It's the most grounded superhero movie of all time. No it isn't. It features a secret Cult of Nazi Successors using automated flying aircraft carriers to kill people who could threaten them based on a program created by the Ghost of a Swiss Scientist preserved in a computer. And you could describe TDK in the same way: It's about a guy that dresses like a bat, fights a clown and a guy with half of a face, drives a tank that turns into a motorcycle and uses a sonar device to view the entire city. TWS is grounded. You're ashamed of comics.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 23, 2018 22:12:16 GMT
No it isn't. It features a secret Cult of Nazi Successors using automated flying aircraft carriers to kill people who could threaten them based on a program created by the Ghost of a Swiss Scientist preserved in a computer. And you could describe TDK in the same way: It's about a guy that dresses like a bat, fights a clown and a guy with half of a face, drives a tank that turns into a motorcycle and uses a sonar device to view the entire city. TWS is grounded. You're ashamed of comics. He is ashamed AND creatively bankrupt while also being full of artificial rhetorical boosters and the inability to enjoy wondrous films.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 1:01:45 GMT
And you could describe TDK in the same way: It's about a guy that dresses like a bat, fights a clown and a guy with half of a face, drives a tank that turns into a motorcycle and uses a sonar device to view the entire city. TWS is grounded. You're ashamed of comics. He is ashamed AND creatively bankrupt while also being full of artificial rhetorical boosters and the inability to enjoy wondrous films. Indeed!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 24, 2018 1:13:02 GMT
He is ashamed AND creatively bankrupt while also being full of artificial rhetorical boosters and the inability to enjoy wondrous films. Indeed! Poor formersamhmd. Innit?
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 24, 2018 1:41:42 GMT
No it isn't. It features a secret Cult of Nazi Successors using automated flying aircraft carriers to kill people who could threaten them based on a program created by the Ghost of a Swiss Scientist preserved in a computer. And you could describe TDK in the same way: It's about a guy that dresses like a bat, fights a clown and a guy with half of a face, drives a tank that turns into a motorcycle and uses a sonar device to view the entire city. TWS is grounded. You're ashamed of comics. Batman's costume is never referred to as a "costume" but practical armor, the Joker is made omnipotent by the plot (very lazy writing) and is seen more as some hobo than a clown, Batman's vehicles are similarly treated as realistically as possible as unused military prototypes, as is the sonar weapon. TWS however does not shy away from the wondrous and the fantastic. It is not ashamed of itself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 1:47:00 GMT
And you could describe TDK in the same way: It's about a guy that dresses like a bat, fights a clown and a guy with half of a face, drives a tank that turns into a motorcycle and uses a sonar device to view the entire city. TWS is grounded. You're ashamed of comics. Batman's costume is never referred to as a "costume" but practical armor, the Joker is made omnipotent by the plot (very lazy writing) and is seen more as some hobo than a clown, Batman's vehicles are similarly treated as realistically as possible as unused military prototypes, as is the sonar weapon. TWS however does not shy away from the wondrous and the fantastic. It is not ashamed of itself.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 24, 2018 4:21:04 GMT
Civil War did not give me the intellectual clash of Xavier and Magneto with Tony and Steve. I blame disney though. I enjoyed seeing Magneto finally use serenity and not rage to lift that submarine than the fun and joking airport fight scene from civil war and well .....though very artificial choreographed final fight between tony, bucky and steve in the end of civil war. First Class also dealt deeply with the war politics of cuba, usa, ussr than civil war dealt with superhero registration which was treated more as an afterthought in the movie. And lastly , Fassbender really broke out to become the mainstream working actor he is today because of his great performance as Magneto in first class.Civil War did not really have any stand out performance. All these from a legitimate good film making and film writing stand point puts xmen first class above civil war. I hate to say this but Marvel fans do not know much about film making. I really mean it and I am not throwing shade. I maybe be a fan of xmen but I am just a fan of the artistic side of film as much as I am a xmen fan. First Class has got nothing on Civil War. You didn't get the kind of emotional turmoil with Xavier's and Magneto's argument as you did with Steve and Tony. The action in CW stomps on anything we've seen in first class, the costumes are way better, and while acting from the main characters are on par, the side characters in CW were way better. Most of all though, CW allowed all of the characters moments to shine and be remembered. Even new comers Black Panther and Spiderman made a huge impact in that film - both of which were massively praised for their outstanding performances (contrary to what you were saying). In comparison, only Xavier, Magneto, Mystique and Shaw were memorable in First Class. First class has got nothing on civil war? LMAO, um, start with a deeper story. Marvel’s plot tend to be weak and derivative as usual because it has to appeal to kids. If mcu made first class they would have lightened the plot. This scene alone from first class, gives it the high edge over civil war. Marvel can never put this scene in any movie and that makes marvel factually weaker.Check out the cinematography too from first class and call me when an mcu movie does not look like a cartoon. What action in civil war stomps? They were all joking and laughing about it at the climax of the movie. That is not stomping. That makes me cringe. HAHAHAHAHAH, costumes? Gees. Way to go superficial, See that is why I said you were not a xmen fan, chris claremont, if you know who he is. once said, xmen is not about costumes but telling deep human stories. Lmao. Costumes, really? give me story telling. How did civil war allow their characters to shine, fighting and blowing up cities in not the same as shining? No, first class gave their own characters to shine, where we see Xavier train and teach mutants how to use their powers, we see young mutants face discrimination and get their pov on it. Spiderman in civil war was unnecessary and bought nothing to the movie in terms of story telling, same for black panther. Remove them from the movie and nothing will change. This is the mcu set ups people complain about. They could have removed these characters and spent more time in civil war on the actual story and made the conflict intellectually deeper.HAHAHAHAHA, praised for their performances, um. not like Michael Fassbender as magneto or james mcvoy. Who were praised for their acting. People said Sir Ian Mckellen and Patrick Stewart could not be topped. But the two young xavier and magneto came close. Please this is mcu, no one looks at mcu and thinks of great acting. MCU movies are pop corn flicks. Fassbender could easily have gotten an Oscar nom, for his performance as magneto in first class. Can you tell me any mcu actor in civil war was that noticeable. LMAO, UM. Did you notice none of my comments , You actually addressed it not. when you reply to me, you do not have any depth in your replies. same as your mcu movies. I am still waiting for you to tell me how the disney mcu formula of jokes and toys will work well with adapting serious and complicated xmen story lines like Inferno.
And lastly, this is how Shaw goes out in first class. in film school we call this great juxtaposition writing almost Shakespearianfar more powerful than any scene zemo is in. lol, and you think first class got nothing on civil war? not in terms of film making and story telling, if you actually care about that.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 24, 2018 4:32:49 GMT
Civil War didn't have as good of a story as First Class and Tony against Steve wasn't written as well but it was more fun to see them beat each around. First Class wasn't really the most action packed more and even what it had wasn't great. That'd where I'd give Civil War the edge. But yeah the story, characters and acting were better in First Class. Possibly in general the X-men movies are superior in that regard, for the most part anyway. I disagree. I think the Steve vs. Tony argument was the most well written hero vs. hero conflict in any cbm. And as for characters... other than Xavier, Magneto, Shaw and Mystique the rest of the First Class characters were completely forgettable. um, no. this two scenes from first class. are better written and more complicated. Let me add this scene from x-men 1 You see this is where Black Panther got some of their inspiration from. funny, they did not choose tony or steve. that should tell you the truth. you cannot disagree with the actual hard evidence. tony and steve barely had any depth unless you call punching eachother 80% of the time depth. LOL. Your replies are so pathetic and embarrassing. and you ask me why many film makers hate mcu movies? Worse, you dare call yourself a fan of xmen . drop it
You do not even know who Chris Claremont is.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 24, 2018 4:36:02 GMT
First Class has got nothing on Civil War. You didn't get the kind of emotional turmoil with Xavier's and Magneto's argument as you did with Steve and Tony. The action in CW stomps on anything we've seen in first class, the costumes are way better, and while acting from the main characters are on par, the side characters in CW were way better. Most of all though, CW allowed all of the characters moments to shine and be remembered. Even new comers Black Panther and Spiderman made a huge impact in that film - both of which were massively praised for their outstanding performances (contrary to what you were saying). In comparison, only Xavier, Magneto, Mystique and Shaw were memorable in First Class. First class has got nothing on civil war? LMAO, um, start with a deeper story. Marvel’s plot tend to be weak and derivative as usual because it has to appeal to kids. If mcu made first class they would have lightened the plot. This scene alone from first class, gives it the high edge over civil war. Marvel can never put this scene in any movie and that makes marvel factually weaker.Check out the cinematography too from first class and call me when an mcu movie does not look like a cartoon. What action in civil war stomps? They were all joking and laughing about it at the climax of the movie. That is not stomping. That makes me cringe. HAHAHAHAHAH, costumes? Gees. Way to go superficial, See that is why I said you were not a xmen fan, chris claremont, if you know who he is. once said, xmen is not about costumes but telling deep human stories. Lmao. Costumes, really? give me story telling. How did civil war allow their characters to shine, fighting and blowing up cities in not the same as shining? No, first class gave their own characters to shine, where we see Xavier train and teach mutants how to use their powers, we see young mutants face discrimination and get their pov on it. Spiderman in civil war was unnecessary and bought nothing to the movie in terms of story telling, same for black panther. Remove them from the movie and nothing will change. This is the mcu set ups people complain about. They could have removed these characters and spent more time in civil war on the actual story and made the conflict intellectually deeper.HAHAHAHAHA, praised for their performances, um. not like Michael Fassbender as magneto or james mcvoy. Who were praised for their acting. People said Sir Ian Mckellen and Patrick Stewart could not be topped. But the two young xavier and magneto came close. Please this is mcu, no one looks at mcu and thinks of great acting. MCU movies are pop corn flicks. Fassbender could easily have gotten an Oscar nom, for his performance as magneto in first class. Can you tell me any mcu actor in civil war was that noticeable. LMAO, UM. Did you notice none of my comments , You actually addressed it not. when you reply to me, you do not have any depth in your replies. same as your mcu movies. I am still waiting for you to tell me how the disney mcu formula of jokes and toys will work well with adapting serious and complicated xmen story lines like Inferno.
And lastly, this is how Shaw goes out in first class. in film school we call this great juxtaposition writing almost Shakespearianfar more powerful than any scene zemo is in. lol, and you think first class got nothing on civil war? not in terms of film making and story telling, if you actually care about that. Wow, there's so much rancid fanboy bias in that post it made my head hurt. Fassbender should have won an Oscar for his performance? Jeeze, dude. I know you prefer the X-men movies over MCU but there's no need to nut all over it. I'm not even going to bother replying to your numerous nonsensical rants. There's no arguing with crazy.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 24, 2018 4:37:12 GMT
I disagree. I think the Steve vs. Tony argument was the most well written hero vs. hero conflict in any cbm. And as for characters... other than Xavier, Magneto, Shaw and Mystique the rest of the First Class characters were completely forgettable. um, no. this two scenes from first class. are better written and more complicated. Let me add this scene from x-men 1 You see this is where Black Panther got some of their inspiration from. funny, they did not choose tony or steve. that should tell you the truth. you cannot disagree with the actual hard evidence. tony and steve barely had any depth unless you call punching eachother 80% of the time depth. LOL. Your replies are so pathetic and embarrassing. and you ask me why many film makers hate mcu movies? drop itDon't embarrass yourself dude, you have no idea what "hard evidence" means. Hint: your opinion is not hard evidence.
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