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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 27, 2018 0:01:09 GMT
Except when it was suggested that T'Challa's sister swallow the flower and get the power and challenge T'Challa for the throne and her response was the tribes woun't followe her orders because she's a woman. I would've rated Black Panther higher if it actually had the balls to kill of T'Challa and have T'Challa's sister challenge for the throne. But MCU doesn't like having female leads in their movies so they couldn't allow T'Challa's sister to challenge for the throne. You mean challenge Killmonger not T'Challa for the throne. And the reason she cited was a lack of an army, she didn't mention her gender. She suggested she couldn't challenge Killmonger because the army wouldn't follow the orders of a woman.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 27, 2018 0:14:23 GMT
You mean challenge Killmonger not T'Challa for the throne. And the reason she cited was a lack of an army, she didn't mention her gender. She suggested she couldn't challenge Killmonger because the army wouldn't follow the orders of a woman. No, it was that they wouldn't disobey their new King.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 27, 2018 0:14:45 GMT
You mean challenge Killmonger not T'Challa for the throne. And the reason she cited was a lack of an army, she didn't mention her gender. She suggested she couldn't challenge Killmonger because the army wouldn't follow the orders of a woman. Can you quote her dialogue please? Let’s examine the words she actually used. “Suggested” is so vague.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 27, 2018 0:17:12 GMT
She suggested she couldn't challenge Killmonger because the army wouldn't follow the orders of a woman. Can you quote her dialogue please? Let’s examine the words she actually used. “Suggested” is so vague. So you're still clinging to your "lack of army" claim? "Lack of army"? The army was T'Challa's army. They were loyal to T'Challa and followed orders from T'Challa. But she suggested that T'Challa's army wouldn't follow her orders because she's a woman.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 27, 2018 0:18:06 GMT
Can you quote her dialogue please? Let’s examine the words she actually used. “Suggested” is so vague. So you're still clinging to your "lack of army" claim? "Lack of army"? The army was Wakanda's army, loyal to the Throne. Killmonger sat on that Throne.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 27, 2018 0:21:52 GMT
Can you quote her dialogue please? Let’s examine the words she actually used. “Suggested” is so vague. So you're still clinging to your "lack of army" claim? "Lack of army"? The army was T'Challa's army. They were loyal to T'Challa and followed orders from T'Challa. But she suggested that T'Challa's army wouldn't follow her orders because she's a woman. I’m not doubting you, I just wanted to hear your recollection of the actual dialogue said by the character. This way we can prove for certain that your assertions are true beyond the shadow of all doubt. Nakia is a spy without an army and no royal blood. There are several good reasons she was not qualified to ingest the herb and lead the Panther clan. She is from the river tribe. Her challenge would have likely failed on those grounds alone.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 27, 2018 0:34:13 GMT
You wanna know what's funnier than this post? The fact that Black Panther was more of a feminist film than Wonder Woman lol What's funny is MCU fans claiming that Wonder Woman is a feminist movie. Not once in Wonder Woman did Diana or any of the Amazons or Etta Candy ever say that woman were oppressed by men or treat as 2nd-class citizens by men. Doctor Poison's motivation for evil wasn't because she felt that women were oppressed by men and she wanted to strike back at the oppressors. Wonder Woman isn't a feminist movie. Wonder Woman is a superhero movie that happens to have a female lead. Black Panther, on the other hand, is a movie that is nothing but extreme left-wing political propaganda for the SJWs and is a movie that promotes racial division. Moreover, Black Panther portrays women like crap. When it was suggested that T'Challa's sister swallow the flower and get the power and challenge Killmonger for the throne, her response was that the tribes won't follow her orders because she's just a woman. I would've rated Black Panther higher if it actually had the balls to kill off T'Challa and had his sister challenge for the throne. But MCU doesn't like having female leads in their movies so they couldn't allow T'Challa's sister to challenge for the throne. By the way you never did explain to me what was so sjw about the film. Was it the large black cast?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 27, 2018 0:42:01 GMT
What's funny is MCU fans claiming that Wonder Woman is a feminist movie. Not once in Wonder Woman did Diana or any of the Amazons or Etta Candy ever say that woman were oppressed by men or treat as 2nd-class citizens by men. Doctor Poison's motivation for evil wasn't because she felt that women were oppressed by men and she wanted to strike back at the oppressors. Wonder Woman isn't a feminist movie. Wonder Woman is a superhero movie that happens to have a female lead. Black Panther, on the other hand, is a movie that is nothing but extreme left-wing political propaganda for the SJWs and is a movie that promotes racial division. Moreover, Black Panther portrays women like crap. When it was suggested that T'Challa's sister swallow the flower and get the power and challenge Killmonger for the throne, her response was that the tribes won't follow her orders because she's just a woman. I would've rated Black Panther higher if it actually had the balls to kill off T'Challa and had his sister challenge for the throne. But MCU doesn't like having female leads in their movies so they couldn't allow T'Challa's sister to challenge for the throne. By the way you never did explain to me what was so sjw about the film. Was it the large black cast? Yes, it's heavily "suggested" in his posts that DC-Fan is racist against African people and their cultural traditions.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 27, 2018 0:55:13 GMT
By the way you never did explain to me what was so sjw about the film. Was it the large black cast? Yes, it's heavily "suggested" in his posts that DC-Fan is racist against African people Not at all. Like I said in the OP, A United Kingdom is 1 of my top 10 movies of 2017.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 27, 2018 1:04:59 GMT
Yes, it's heavily "suggested" in his posts that DC-Fan is racist against African people Not at all. Like I said in the OP, A United Kingdom is 1 of my top 10 movies of 2017. I dunno... you seem very disapproving of Wakandan culture and traditions. Wakandan culture is based on the proud traditions of many real-life African warrior cultures. One can only assume that you disapprove of those cultures as well and they are comprised primarily of black people. You’ve essentially suggested that African culture is "bloodthirsty" and "savage." The movie you cited features a black man who was educated in the west and dresses according to a European standard. Was that a more acceptable portrayal of an African to you? Did you think he was more civilized because he chose to marry a white woman? I think you should try and clear this up before it gets out of hand. Are you racist against black and African people? Are you repulsed by African culture, rituals and traditions? Seems that way. I can only pray that you can take a more tolerant view of the peoples of Africa sometime in the near future.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 3:43:08 GMT
GIVE STORMY THE DANIELS!!!!!!!9!!!9!!!!!
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Post by scabab on Feb 27, 2018 4:03:06 GMT
It was also pointed out that them fighting for the role of King of Wakanda and title of Black Panther was something that was a part of the Black Panther comic lore.
T'Challa became King of Wakanda after beating someone in combat for the title. Erik Killmonger became the new King of Wakanda after beating T'Challa just like he did in the movie.
This was (conveniently) ignored though so that he could continue to specifically put down the movie instead of the comic which the movie was faithful too.
Hypocritical considering he put down Spider-man Homecoming for certain reasons that involved not being accurate to the comic.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 27, 2018 4:10:08 GMT
It was also pointed out that them fighting for the role of King of Wakanda and title of Black Panther was something that was a part of the Black Panther comic lore. T'Challa became King of Wakanda after beating someone in combat for the title. Erik Killmonger became the new King of Wakanda after beating T'Challa just like he did in the movie. This was (conveniently) ignored though so that he could continue to specifically put down the movie instead of the comic which the movie was faithful too. Hypocritical considering he put down Spider-man Homecoming for certain reasons that involved not being accurate to the comic. Yeah, scabab , I couldn't agree with you more. I just don't understand his attitude. I feel he is dangerously close to snapping. A few days ago we were talking and having a friendly debate and now all of sudden, with the release of Black Panther, we're seeing these threads from him with racist overtones. I just think right now DC-Fan needs us to stand by him as a fellow community member who has never really been in trouble here before.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 27, 2018 4:18:58 GMT
It was also pointed out that them fighting for the role of King of Wakanda and title of Black Panther was something that was a part of the Black Panther comic lore. T'Challa became King of Wakanda after beating someone in combat for the title. Erik Killmonger became the new King of Wakanda after beating T'Challa just like he did in the movie. This was (conveniently) ignored though so that he could continue to specifically put down the movie instead of the comic which the movie was faithful too. Hypocritical considering he put down Spider-man Homecoming for certain reasons that involved not being accurate to the comic. I've never read a Black Panther comic. And it's invalid to compare Black Panther to Spider-Man. Spider-Man is 1 of the 4 most iconic superheroes (along with Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman) in American comics history so Spider-Man's history from the comics is well-known. But hardly anyone knows Black Panther's history from the comics.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 27, 2018 4:20:59 GMT
It was also pointed out that them fighting for the role of King of Wakanda and title of Black Panther was something that was a part of the Black Panther comic lore. T'Challa became King of Wakanda after beating someone in combat for the title. Erik Killmonger became the new King of Wakanda after beating T'Challa just like he did in the movie. This was (conveniently) ignored though so that he could continue to specifically put down the movie instead of the comic which the movie was faithful too. Hypocritical considering he put down Spider-man Homecoming for certain reasons that involved not being accurate to the comic. Yeah, scabab , I couldn't agree with you more. I just don't understand his attitude. I feel he is dangerously close to snapping. A few days ago we were talking and having a friendly debate and now all of sudden, with the release of Black Panther, we're seeing these threads from him with racist overtones. I just think right now DC-Fan needs us to stand by him as a fellow community member who has never really been in trouble here before. Just as I predicted, it was only a matter of time before MCU fans started playing the race card and accusing anyone who criticized Black Panther of being racist. That's the very reason why critics gave Black Panther a high rating. Because the critics are afraid of being labeled racist if they gave Black Panther a low rating.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 27, 2018 4:30:53 GMT
Yeah, scabab , I couldn't agree with you more. I just don't understand his attitude. I feel he is dangerously close to snapping. A few days ago we were talking and having a friendly debate and now all of sudden, with the release of Black Panther, we're seeing these threads from him with racist overtones. I just think right now DC-Fan needs us to stand by him as a fellow community member who has never really been in trouble here before. Just as I predicted, it was only a matter of time before MCU fans started playing the race card and accusing anyone who criticized Black Panther of being racist. That's the very reason why critics gave Black Panther a high rating. Because the critics are afraid of being labeled racist if they gave Black Panther a low rating. DC-Fan - you insinuated that if African people have an abundant natural resource they revert to a "bloodthirsty" and "savage" state. Do you want to take a moment to clarify your statements? I would never falsely accuse you. I just want to know what you meant because it came off a certain way. You're a man of great clarity and precision in language and, I don't want to see you get wrongfully labeled.
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Post by scabab on Feb 27, 2018 6:36:04 GMT
I've never read a Black Panther comic. And it's invalid to compare Black Panther to Spider-Man. Spider-Man is 1 of the 4 most iconic superheroes (along with Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman) in American comics history so Spider-Man's history from the comics is well-known. But hardly anyone knows Black Panther's history from the comics. I've never read a Black Panther comic either but it took me all but 5 minutes to find that information out on the Marvel wikia. And what on earth would it matter if Black Panther isn't as famous? Just because he isn't as well known means they shouldn't be faithful to the comic? They're making an Aquaman and Shazam movie, they aren't famous like Batman or Superman either. Would you want them to start messing up the lore of those characters for the movie though? No you'd probably want it to be like the comic. Deadpool is a prime example, he isn't famous but look at how people lost their shit with the butchering they did with him for X-men Origins Wolverine then compare to how the Deadpool movie was received were they actually we're faithful to the comic. That nobody knows Black Panthers history means it's more important to make sure they retell his story accurately in the movie. The comparison to A United Kingdom also doesn't make sense. One is a drama movie based on real life events and the other is a superhero action movie.
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Post by Surly on Feb 27, 2018 8:42:58 GMT
You wanna know what's funnier than this post? The fact that Black Panther was more of a feminist film than Wonder Woman lol What's funny is MCU fans claiming that Wonder Woman is a feminist movie. Not once in Wonder Woman did Diana or any of the Amazons or Etta Candy ever say that woman were oppressed by men or treat as 2nd-class citizens by men.No, the Amazon women in Wonder Woman just called men untrustworthy and evil, that's all. So much so that they themselves were isolationists because of that belief. They regarded men as irrational warmongers who would only oppress women and enslave them. You do know that other people saw the Wonder Woman movie, don't you? People who did pay attention to the storylines? You saying so doesn't make it so, pal. There's a little thing called credulity. And objective exposition. And proof. Alright, to your credit there was a character in the movie that promoted racial divisions. Maybe even 2. But they were the villains in the movie. Did you not catch that pal? And the movie did counter that with dialogue about racial unity. I guess you forgot that part also, huh pal? That's funny because I clearly remember in Wonder Woman that some of the Ally leaders and agents scoffing at Diana aka Wonder Woman because she was a woman. Even (at least) one female character tried to discourage Diana from behaving as an equal to men. I guess that means Wonder Woman treats women like a piece of crap also. I also like how you sifted through the entire Black Panther movie to find one of the only moments that put women in an inferior light to men. But most of the movie showed the women characters as strong, intelligent, experienced, passionate, and dedicated. And definitely not subservient to men. On top of that, the women in Black Panther were only distrustful of men when it was merited, not in general simply based on their gender (unlike in Wonder Woman). Next time, try to make an argument off of something more than baseless accusations. Thanks for the laughs pal!
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 27, 2018 9:12:09 GMT
Can you quote her dialogue please? Let’s examine the words she actually used. “Suggested” is so vague. So you're still clinging to your "lack of army" claim? "Lack of army"? The army was T'Challa's army. They were loyal to T'Challa and followed orders from T'Challa. But she suggested that T'Challa's army wouldn't follow her orders because she's a woman. T'Challa's army is the Dora Milaje. They, under General Okoye, sided with Killmonger when he became King. So no, Nakia did not have T'Challa's army and neither did he. Be honest, did you even watch the film?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 27, 2018 9:16:47 GMT
What's funny is MCU fans claiming that Wonder Woman is a feminist movie. Not once in Wonder Woman did Diana or any of the Amazons or Etta Candy ever say that woman were oppressed by men or treat as 2nd-class citizens by men.No, the Amazon women in Wonder Woman just called men untrustworthy and evil, that's all. So much so that they themselves were isolationists because of that belief. They regarded men as irrational warmongers who would only oppress women and enslave them. You do know that other people saw the Wonder Woman movie, don't you? People who did pay attention to the storylines? You saying so doesn't make it so, pal. There's a little thing called credulity. And objective exposition. And proof. Alright, to your credit there was a character in the movie that promoted racial divisions. Maybe even 2. But they were the villains in the movie. Did you not catch that pal? And the movie did counter that with dialogue about racial unity. I guess you forgot that part also, huh pal? That's funny because I clearly remember in Wonder Woman that some of the Ally leaders and agents scoffing at Diana aka Wonder Woman because she was a woman. Even (at least) one female character tried to discourage Diana from behaving as an equal to men. I guess that means Wonder Woman treats women like a piece of crap also. I also like how you sifted through the entire Black Panther movie to find one of the only moments that put women in an inferior light to men. But most of the movie showed the women characters as strong, intelligent, experienced, passionate, and dedicated. And definitely not subservient to men. On top of that, the women in Black Panther were only distrustful of men when it was merited, not in general simply based on their gender (unlike in Wonder Woman). Next time, try to make an argument off of something more than baseless accusations. Thanks for the laughs pal! And Hippolyta literally says that even under the Amazon's "loving" influence men couldn't maintain peace and soon enslaved the Amazons. I'd call enslavement being a second class citizen.
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