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Post by thenewnexus on Mar 8, 2018 5:10:18 GMT
Almost every mcu movie is campy. Star lord showing his dance moves is just as bad. What about in Age Ultron Capt says oh shit and is told to watch his langauge. Ultron is doing stand up. At the end of the movie Stark is trying to be funny even though Quick Silver died Already covered why Starlord showing off his dance moves isn't as bad as Arnold as Mr. Freeze( Looks like you ignored that). Captain America complaining about bad language is to illustrate how old fashioned and how much of a boy scout he is compared to the rest of the team. Don't know what movie you watched, but I wouldn't describe Ultron as being a comedic type of character, his sense of humor mirrored his personality which was pessimistic, cold, and narcissistic. Would you have preferred if he talked like HAL, instead? Wouldn't have worked for the film. Stark didn't have an emotional connection to Quicksilver, he was also nowhere near him he died, and keep in mind they were still trying to stop Ultron. Dancing when there is a threat is just as bad as the freeze puns. Telling somebody to watch during a battle is needed. I would of prefered to sound terrifying not like some sadistic comedian. An avenger makes the ultimate sacrifice and he gets distracted instead acknowledging what he did Stark tries to the lighten mood. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 8, 2018 6:08:39 GMT
Already covered why Starlord showing off his dance moves isn't as bad as Arnold as Mr. Freeze( Looks like you ignored that). Captain America complaining about bad language is to illustrate how old fashioned and how much of a boy scout he is compared to the rest of the team. Don't know what movie you watched, but I wouldn't describe Ultron as being a comedic type of character, his sense of humor mirrored his personality which was pessimistic, cold, and narcissistic. Would you have preferred if he talked like HAL, instead? Wouldn't have worked for the film. Stark didn't have an emotional connection to Quicksilver, he was also nowhere near him he died, and keep in mind they were still trying to stop Ultron. Dancing when there is a threat is just as bad as the freeze puns. Telling somebody to watch during a battle is needed. I would of prefered to sound terrifying not like some sadistic comedian. An avenger makes the ultimate sacrifice and he gets distracted instead acknowledging what he did Stark tries to the lighten mood. No it isn't, as it actually serves the narrative and fits in line with the characterization. What Starlord did was the best thing he could've done in that point of time to distract Ronan from paying attention to Drax and Rocket. Let's examine the facts here - Quill is not presented to be a big talker who comes up with emotional, empowering speeches on the fly. He's a space cowboy who was raised to have a smooth talking, cocky, quick-witted, unconventional personality due to Yondu, who is shown to be more of an act first type of individual. He is also the only human from Earth in that part of the galaxy and he is the only one with access to Earth's popular culture, history, and language( verbally and bodily) and tries to hold dear to that so his humanity and sense of home is never lost. The fact that he is a legit alien in a galaxy full of bizarre and unusual people and creatures gives him great opportunity to use his Earth-based cultural heritage as an advantage to confuse others, which is what he did to Ronan, who is from a race which Rocket earlier describes as being a very literal, no-nonsense group. Quill didn't really have much options in that moment, he had no weapon access and even if he was to give a rousing, "we are more than you!" speech Ronan would've definitely blasted him to smithereens. The dancing, on the other hand, stopped him completely and it worked. I hate to break it to you, but many soldiers banter back and forth during missions and in extreme situations in war. This is illustrated too many times to count in human history and as such it has made its way into various forms of media, even films which showcase how insane and scarring of wars have characters banter back and forth and not exactly use the most sophisticated of dialog, like Saving Private Ryan. Luckily Ultron was not a comedian. Did you see him throwing pies into people's faces or getting drunk off of electricity like it was alcohol? I sure didn't, and I doubt neither did you. Business comes first, mourning comes second. It's how things usually work out. Star didn't have much of a connection with Quicksilver, Barton and Wanda did so they had the most emotional reaction to Petro's death. They were trying to save a city that was being levitated to the heavens and was being invaded by Ultron and his army of killer robots. Get out more, and go to school. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2018 12:47:40 GMT
Dancing when there is a threat is just as bad as the freeze puns. It's called a distraction. No it's not. If Punisher did the same thing you'd be fine with it. Stay away from Batman, then. People DO that in real life. |
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Post by thenewnexus on Mar 8, 2018 14:06:42 GMT
Dancing when there is a threat is just as bad as the freeze puns. It's called a distraction. No it's not. If Punisher did the same thing you'd be fine with it. Stay away from Batman, then. People DO that in real life. Star Lord Dancing was for comedic purposes Punisher never told anybody to watch their language nor was he campy which is why I gave it a perfect 10 Ultron is not the Joker,also the Joker was a real threat in the DK and terrifying. Ultron was not terrifying cause 99 percent lines are cringey like hes trying to be funny. Thats disrespectful to try and be funny when one of your own has died |
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Post by charzhino on Mar 8, 2018 14:22:19 GMT
Dancing when there is a threat is just as bad as the freeze puns. Telling somebody to watch during a battle is needed. I would of prefered to sound terrifying not like some sadistic comedian. An avenger makes the ultimate sacrifice and he gets distracted instead acknowledging what he did Stark tries to the lighten mood. No it isn't, as it actually serves the narrative and fits in line with the characterization. What Starlord did was the best thing he could've done in that point of time to distract Ronan from paying attention to Drax and Rocket. Let's examine the facts here - Quill is not presented to be a big talker who comes up with emotional, empowering speeches on the fly. He's a space cowboy who was raised to have a smooth talking, cocky, quick-witted, unconventional personality due to Yondu, who is shown to be more of an act first type of individual. He is also the only human from Earth in that part of the galaxy and he is the only one with access to Earth's popular culture, history, and language( verbally and bodily) and tries to hold dear to that so his humanity and sense of home is never lost. The fact that he is a legit alien in a galaxy full of bizarre and unusual people and creatures gives him great opportunity to use his Earth-based cultural heritage as an advantage to confuse others, which is what he did to Ronan, who is from a race which Rocket earlier describes as being a very literal, no-nonsense group. Quill didn't really have much options in that moment, he had no weapon access and even if he was to give a rousing, "we are more than you!" speech Ronan would've definitely blasted him to smithereens. The dancing, on the other hand, stopped him completely and it worked. I hate to break it to you, but many soldiers banter back and forth during missions and in extreme situations in war. This is illustrated too many times to count in human history and as such it has made its way into various forms of media, even films which showcase how insane and scarring of wars have characters banter back and forth and not exactly use the most sophisticated of dialog, like Saving Private Ryan. Luckily Ultron was not a comedian. Did you see him throwing pies into people's faces or getting drunk off of electricity like it was alcohol? I sure didn't, and I doubt neither did you. Business comes first, mourning comes second. It's how things usually work out. Star didn't have much of a connection with Quicksilver, Barton and Wanda did so they had the most emotional reaction to Petro's death. They were trying to save a city that was being levitated to the heavens and was being invaded by Ultron and his army of killer robots. Get out more, and go to school. Wow look at the state of this. A whole novel to defend a kiddy dance distraction. |
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Post by charzhino on Mar 8, 2018 14:26:18 GMT
People DO that in real life. NO THEY DONT. Stark hardly knew quicksilver. If it was a close buddy like war machine then its understandable. But he literally met Quicksilver in the week and hes cracking jokes after his death like he knew him for decades. Sorry, that is purely distasteful. And the fact Stark was indirectly culpable for Wanda and Pietros parents death through HIS own missiles, the jokes after his death are even more distasteful and offensive. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 8, 2018 14:52:43 GMT
Ok what jokes are we talking about? I just popped in my DVD and the first time Tony talks after Quicksilver dies is to tell Thor to hit the spike from above. The next time he talks is when they get back to the Avengers Compound. We don't know how much time has passed. The scene where Tony, Cap, and Thor is the only joking around. After Quicksilver dies. Again we have no frame of reference for how much time has passed. They were joking with each other about something that happened before (the lifting of the hammer). You can see the joking is part of them dealing with what happened. Even Tony tells Thor that he wouldn't miss their talks if he doesn't leave. Showing that even Tony doesn't want him to go. Cap does the same thing after Thor leaves. He literally said "I will miss you Tony" after Tony says he wants to tap out. The quips in that scene to me are for 3 masculine alpha males dealing with their loss and the fact the are spiting up with humor. And I'm sorry are those three supposed to be depressed and morbid when they aren't around Scarlet Witch forever? If they were around her then yeah they would pull it back in. You said it yourself the three hardly knew him and her. I've had co-workers die. And while at their funeral and when I was around their family and friends I wassubdued, but I wasn't when I was away from them. I mean yeah it sucks to lose people but a good way to cover grief is humor. If you guys are talking about another scene then maybe I'm wrong. Which scenes were you talking about?
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2018 15:07:43 GMT
It's called a distraction. No it's not. If Punisher did the same thing you'd be fine with it. Stay away from Batman, then. People DO that in real life. Star Lord Dancing was for comedic purposes Punisher never told anybody to watch their language nor was he campy which is why I gave it a perfect 10 Ultron is not the Joker,also the Joker was a real threat in the DK and terrifying. Ultron was not terrifying cause 99 percent lines are cringey like hes trying to be funny. Thats disrespectful to try and be funny when one of your own has died It was for distracting purposes, and it worked. The point of a distraction is to do something that makes your opponent go "wtf?" Back to the Future did the same thing, you hate that movie too? No, he just mumbles his dialog like his mouth is full of marbles. And I'm sorry you dislike it when characters show they have personalities instead of being grim bitter crazy-men with the same flat characterization. Ultron wasn't a threat because the MCU people were nice enough to let us know about future movies so we knew they weren't going to destroy the world and kill everyone. Of course instead of appreciating this you just complain. Joker was only a threat in TDK because Nolan was lazy and wrote him as omnipotent, the easy way out. It's called Gallow's Humor. And it happens. Deal with it. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2018 15:08:46 GMT
People DO that in real life. NO THEY DONT. Stark hardly knew quicksilver. If it was a close buddy like war machine then its understandable. But he literally met Quicksilver in the week and hes cracking jokes after his death like he knew him for decades. Sorry, that is purely distasteful. Right, he should spend the next 3 movies sitting around moping about it. What jokes are you talking about, exactly? |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 8, 2018 15:16:34 GMT
Ok what jokes are we talking about? I just popped in my DVD and the first time Tony talks after Quicksilver dies is to tell Thor to hit the spike from above. The next time he talks is when they get back to the Avengers Compound. We don't know how much time has passed. The scene where Tony, Cap, and Thor is the only joking around. After Quicksilver dies. Again we have no frame of reference for how much time has passed. They were joking with each other about something that happened before (the lifting of the hammer). You can see the joking is part of them dealing with what happened. Even Tony tells Thor that he wouldn't miss their talks if he doesn't leave. Showing that even Tony doesn't want him to go. Cap does the same thing after Thor leaves. He literally said "I will miss you Tony" after Tony says he wants to tap out. The quips in that scene to me are for 3 masculine alpha males dealing with their loss and the fact the are spiting up with humor. And I'm sorry are those three supposed to be depressed and morbid when they aren't around Scarlet Witch forever? If they were around her then yeah they would pull it back in. You said it yourself the three hardly knew him and her. I've had co-workers die. And while at their funeral and when I was around their family and friends I wassubdued, but I wasn't when I was away from them. I mean yeah it sucks to lose people but a good way to cover grief is humor. If you guys are talking about another scene then maybe I'm wrong. Which scenes were you talking about? Yeah, I'm confused about that too. What jokes? It's not like he made any jokes about Quicksilver's death or anything. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 8, 2018 15:25:45 GMT
Ok what jokes are we talking about? I just popped in my DVD and the first time Tony talks after Quicksilver dies is to tell Thor to hit the spike from above. The next time he talks is when they get back to the Avengers Compound. We don't know how much time has passed. The scene where Tony, Cap, and Thor is the only joking around. After Quicksilver dies. Again we have no frame of reference for how much time has passed. They were joking with each other about something that happened before (the lifting of the hammer). You can see the joking is part of them dealing with what happened. Even Tony tells Thor that he wouldn't miss their talks if he doesn't leave. Showing that even Tony doesn't want him to go. Cap does the same thing after Thor leaves. He literally said "I will miss you Tony" after Tony says he wants to tap out. The quips in that scene to me are for 3 masculine alpha males dealing with their loss and the fact the are spiting up with humor. And I'm sorry are those three supposed to be depressed and morbid when they aren't around Scarlet Witch forever? If they were around her then yeah they would pull it back in. You said it yourself the three hardly knew him and her. I've had co-workers die. And while at their funeral and when I was around their family and friends I wassubdued, but I wasn't when I was away from them. I mean yeah it sucks to lose people but a good way to cover grief is humor. If you guys are talking about another scene then maybe I'm wrong. Which scenes were you talking about? Yeah, I'm confused about that too. What jokes? It's not like he made any jokes about Quicksilver's death or anything. There was a little joking between Black Widow and Cap after that, but they were saying Tony. Black Widow quickly covered her loss of Bruce with a joke. (She's Russian they are hardwired to be like that) She says I thought you and Tony were still gazing into each others eyes. Btw great Avatar and Name. To bad Buffy made you Split. |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 8, 2018 15:42:09 GMT
It's really pathetic that people have this desperate need to invent ways to criticize movies they don't happen to like. No matter how hard they try, MCU movies are critically acclaimed and hugely popular. That's not going to change.
I don't like Harry Potter movies, so guess what I do. I don't watch them. I DO NOT go to the Harry Potter board and invent fake attacks on the films or try to insult the people that do like them.
But I'm not a a pathetic troll.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 8, 2018 16:15:11 GMT
Yeah, I'm confused about that too. What jokes? It's not like he made any jokes about Quicksilver's death or anything. There was a little joking between Black Widow and Cap after that, but they were saying Tony. Black Widow quickly covered her loss of Bruce with a joke. (She's Russian they are hardwired to be like that) She says I thought you and Tony were still gazing into each others eyes. Btw great Avatar and Name. To bad Buffy made you Split. I just about fell apart. |
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Post by thenewnexus on Mar 8, 2018 16:21:18 GMT
Why? What if he doesn't feel that way? He should lie just to make onethreetwo happy? Lie is such a harsh word. But yes he should. And while he's lying to make me happy, he should look inward and examine his real feelings about the movie. Does he really hate it as much as he says? Or is he embarrassed that he was in a movie that was panned? Did he hate making it? Did he hate being Batman? Or does he regret being in a movie that was panned? And that's how lies transform into beautiful truths, Caaaaaallllleeeeb. He shouldn't feel that embarassed 90 percent of thr mcu is giving him a run for his money. He should watch guardians,antman,dr strange and Shitnerok and compare his movie to those.😐😐😐😐😐 |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 8, 2018 16:42:53 GMT
No it isn't, as it actually serves the narrative and fits in line with the characterization. What Starlord did was the best thing he could've done in that point of time to distract Ronan from paying attention to Drax and Rocket. Let's examine the facts here - Quill is not presented to be a big talker who comes up with emotional, empowering speeches on the fly. He's a space cowboy who was raised to have a smooth talking, cocky, quick-witted, unconventional personality due to Yondu, who is shown to be more of an act first type of individual. He is also the only human from Earth in that part of the galaxy and he is the only one with access to Earth's popular culture, history, and language( verbally and bodily) and tries to hold dear to that so his humanity and sense of home is never lost. The fact that he is a legit alien in a galaxy full of bizarre and unusual people and creatures gives him great opportunity to use his Earth-based cultural heritage as an advantage to confuse others, which is what he did to Ronan, who is from a race which Rocket earlier describes as being a very literal, no-nonsense group. Quill didn't really have much options in that moment, he had no weapon access and even if he was to give a rousing, "we are more than you!" speech Ronan would've definitely blasted him to smithereens. The dancing, on the other hand, stopped him completely and it worked. I hate to break it to you, but many soldiers banter back and forth during missions and in extreme situations in war. This is illustrated too many times to count in human history and as such it has made its way into various forms of media, even films which showcase how insane and scarring of wars have characters banter back and forth and not exactly use the most sophisticated of dialog, like Saving Private Ryan. Luckily Ultron was not a comedian. Did you see him throwing pies into people's faces or getting drunk off of electricity like it was alcohol? I sure didn't, and I doubt neither did you. Business comes first, mourning comes second. It's how things usually work out. Star didn't have much of a connection with Quicksilver, Barton and Wanda did so they had the most emotional reaction to Petro's death. They were trying to save a city that was being levitated to the heavens and was being invaded by Ultron and his army of killer robots. Get out more, and go to school. Wow look at the state of this. A whole novel to defend a kiddy dance distraction. Is that the best you've got? |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 8, 2018 16:59:52 GMT
People DO that in real life. NO THEY DONT. Stark hardly knew quicksilver. If it was a close buddy like war machine then its understandable. But he literally met Quicksilver in the week and hes cracking jokes after his death like he knew him for decades. Sorry, that is purely distasteful. And the fact Stark was indirectly culpable for Wanda and Pietros parents death through HIS own missiles, the jokes after his death are even more distasteful and offensive. YES they do. What exactly did Stark say? As vassaggo pointed out the first thing he says after Quicksilver's death is requesting for Thor to hit a spike from above. The back and forth with Thor and Cap at Avengers Compound is quite a while later( Definitely not later that same day). |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 8, 2018 17:05:44 GMT
Lie is such a harsh word. But yes he should. And while he's lying to make me happy, he should look inward and examine his real feelings about the movie. Does he really hate it as much as he says? Or is he embarrassed that he was in a movie that was panned? Did he hate making it? Did he hate being Batman? Or does he regret being in a movie that was panned? And that's how lies transform into beautiful truths, Caaaaaallllleeeeb. He shouldn't feel that embarassed 90 percent of thr mcu is giving him a run for his money. He should watch guardians,antman,dr strange and Shitnerok and compare his movie to those.😐😐😐😐😐 I'm sure his reaction is/would be, "Now THIS is what we should've been making all along. They made a movie about a talking tree, a trigger happy raccoon, a guy who can shrink to the size of an ant, and a space Viking work very well and be successful with critics, movie goers, and the hardcore fans. I wish it was different times when I was making THAT movie..." In other words, there's plenty to be embarrassed about with Batman & Robin, there's nothing to be embarrassed about with the MCU. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 8, 2018 17:19:10 GMT
It's called a distraction. No it's not. If Punisher did the same thing you'd be fine with it. Stay away from Batman, then. People DO that in real life. Star Lord Dancing was for comedic purposes Punisher never told anybody to watch their language nor was he campy which is why I gave it a perfect 10 Ultron is not the Joker,also the Joker was a real threat in the DK and terrifying. Ultron was not terrifying cause 99 percent lines are cringey like hes trying to be funny. Thats disrespectful to try and be funny when one of your own has died Yes, and it worked. It fit his character and was probably the best option he could go with at that time. What would you rather he do in that situation? Well Frank Castle isn't Steve Rogers or Tony Stark, he's not all there mentally and doesn't aspire to be a superhero. The Punisher isn't really a superhero to begin with, he saves people but his methodology is not conventional nor is he trying to prove a point, he just wants to, well, punish. The reason why he's placed along everyone in the Marvel universe is because of the longevity of his character, but at the end of the day he's not a superhero. Seeing as you rate the show a perfect 10 but hate most MCU movies it sounds like you are not a fan of superheroes and much prefer anti-heroes. Ultron wasn't a threat? He almost wiped destroyed an entire city and could've wiped out a grand portion of the human race. What lines exactly? You're saying he was like a clown but you're not giving any examples. What exactly did Stark say again? |
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 10, 2018 2:33:33 GMT
NO THEY DONT. Stark hardly knew quicksilver. If it was a close buddy like war machine then its understandable. But he literally met Quicksilver in the week and hes cracking jokes after his death like he knew him for decades. Sorry, that is purely distasteful. And the fact Stark was indirectly culpable for Wanda and Pietros parents death through HIS own missiles, the jokes after his death are even more distasteful and offensive. YES they do. What exactly did Stark say? As vassaggo pointed out the first thing he says after Quicksilver's death is requesting for Thor to hit a spike from above. The back and forth with Thor and Cap at Avengers Compound is quite a while later( Definitely not later that same day). Was there ever a definitive consensus on what joking people are complaining about? The Hammer Talk at New Avengers Compound? And the Thor Lawn Maintenance line? |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 10, 2018 10:28:05 GMT
YES they do. What exactly did Stark say? As vassaggo pointed out the first thing he says after Quicksilver's death is requesting for Thor to hit a spike from above. The back and forth with Thor and Cap at Avengers Compound is quite a while later( Definitely not later that same day). Was there ever a definitive consensus on what joking people are complaining about? The Hammer Talk at New Avengers Compound? And the Thor Lawn Maintenance line? The only "joke" that I could think of for Quicksilver death was the "you didn't see that coming?" quip when he saves Hawkeye and the little boy from the Quintet bullets. A line said by Quicksilver who than falls over dead. Everything with Quicksilver death was taken seriously from Hawkeye carrying his corpse to the raft/life boat thing to Wanda emotional response and breakdown to his death. I have no idea what joke from Tony Stark they're talking about. |
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