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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 8, 2019 16:17:33 GMT
Why didn’t he train to be a medic instead of trying and failing so many times to be a soldier? Because he was jealous the other soldiers were getting the girls so he wanted to join the army to get girls too. He was so power-hungry that he actively sought to gain super-powers so he could be in charge and do whatever he wanted and not have to answer to lesser people who weren't as powerful as he was. Wow! You truly don't understand the character of Captain America, don't you dumbass?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 16:24:08 GMT
He's so worthy that once he got to the stage where he could hold the hammer So you're saying that Steve Rogers is as worthy as Hela? I assume so. I don't really know her situation. She stopped the hammer dead center, which is remarkable for any being in their universe, but I don't know if it's the same as being able to wield or command it.
Whereas the hammer seemed to make the decision by itself to race right into Steve Roger's hand. If Hela can hold and command the hammer then yeah, that would put Hela and Captain America in the same very elite group of people who've held the hammer.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 8, 2019 16:32:55 GMT
Power-hungry? Jealous? Jealous of who?
From what I remember, Steve Rogers was the kid from Brooklyn who wanted to fight Nazis, but not because he wanted to impress anyone, but because he thought it was the right thing to do. He tried and fail several times to join the army but failed all the times he enrolled because of health and physic, but that didn't stop him from trying. Until he met a scientist that enlisted him in the super soldier experiment. Dr. Erskine saw the good man in him and thought he was perfect for the job (which he was). After he was given his god-given strength, he then used his gifts to stop a terrorist group called Hydra.
So no dumbass, he wasn't power-hungry, nor was he jealous of anyone.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2019 16:34:01 GMT
So you're saying that Steve Rogers is as worthy as Hela? I assume so. I don't really know her situation. She stopped the hammer dead center, which is remarkable for any being in their universe, but I don't know if it's the same as being able to wield or command it.
Whereas the hammer seemed to make the decision by itself to race right into Steve Roger's hand. If Hela can hold and command the hammer then yeah, that would put Hela and Captain America in the same very elite group of people who've held the hammer.
And given that Hela helped Odin conquer many worlds and executed many of those who dared to stand up against Odin, Rogers holding Thor's hammer doesn't make Rogers worthy at all since it clearly doesn't take a person with high integrity to hold Thor's hammer.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 8, 2019 16:36:53 GMT
So you're saying that Steve Rogers is as worthy as Hela? I assume so. I don't really know her situation. She stopped the hammer dead center, which is remarkable for any being in their universe, but I don't know if it's the same as being able to wield or command it.
Whereas the hammer seemed to make the decision by itself to race right into Steve Roger's hand. If Hela can hold and command the hammer then yeah, that would put Hela and Captain America in the same very elite group of people who've held the hammer.
Odin didn't put the 'worthy' enchantment on Mjolnir until the beginning of the first Thor film. Hela was wielding it long before that. Needless to say, she isn't worthy.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2019 16:37:04 GMT
Power-hungry? Jealous? Jealous of who? From what I remember, Steve Rogers was the kid from Brooklyn who wanted to fight Nazis, but not because he wanted to impress anyone, but because he thought it was the right thing to do. He tried and fail several times to join the army but failed all the times he enrolled because of health and physic, but that didn't stop him from trying. Until he met a scientist that enlisted him in the super soldier experiment. Dr. Erskine saw the good man in him and thought he was perfect for the job (which he was). After he was given his god-given strength, he then used his gifts to stop a terrorist group called Hydra. So no dumbass, he wasn't power-hungry, nor was he jealous of anyone. Rogers was a reject who couldn't get into the Army because he was too lazy to exercise and train like the other soldiers. He was jealous that the other soldiers were getting attention from the girls so he actively sought to gain super-powers. And after he gains his super-powers thanks to the US government, he betrays the same government that gave him is super-powers by refusing to sign the Accords. Moreover, Cap's reason for refusing to sign the Accords (even after a team of Avengers under his command acted recklessly and caused the deaths of many innocent civilians) was the ridiculous claim that the UN can't be trusted because they might be infiltrated by HYDRA, yet at the end of Endgame Cap goes to Vormir and willingly hands over the powerful Soul Stone to the Red Skull, who was a former leader of HYDRA!
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Post by bud47 on May 8, 2019 16:37:40 GMT
He's so worthy that once he got to the stage where he could hold the hammer So you're saying that Steve Rogers is as worthy as Hela? As Ragnarok showed, she only held and wielded the hammer when she was conquering the nine realms with Odin (at least according to the mural depicting Asgard's dark history). That was before Odin had her imprisoned and long before Odin's enchantment on it requiring worthiness as depicted in the first Thor film. Other than that, all she did was stop the hammer mid throw after which she destroyed it. Not exactly holding it. Even if you want to call that holding it, all it shows is that her power is equal to Odin's, allowing her to override it's enchantments.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2019 16:38:09 GMT
I assume so. I don't really know her situation. She stopped the hammer dead center, which is remarkable for any being in their universe, but I don't know if it's the same as being able to wield or command it.
Whereas the hammer seemed to make the decision by itself to race right into Steve Roger's hand. If Hela can hold and command the hammer then yeah, that would put Hela and Captain America in the same very elite group of people who've held the hammer.
Odin didn't put the 'worthy' enchantment on Mjolnir until the beginning of the first Thor film. And Hela was holding Thor's hammer in the 3rd Thor film. So clearly it doesn't take someone with high integrity to hold Thor's hammer since even a conqueror and executioner can hold it.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 8, 2019 16:39:03 GMT
Odin didn't put the 'worthy' enchantment on Mjolnir until the beginning of the first Thor film. And Hela was holding Thor's hammer in the 3rd Thor film. So clearly it doesn't take someone with high integrity to hold Thor's hammer. She wasn't holding it. She stopped its momentum and destroyed it.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 16:42:58 GMT
I assume so. I don't really know her situation. She stopped the hammer dead center, which is remarkable for any being in their universe, but I don't know if it's the same as being able to wield or command it.
Whereas the hammer seemed to make the decision by itself to race right into Steve Roger's hand. If Hela can hold and command the hammer then yeah, that would put Hela and Captain America in the same very elite group of people who've held the hammer.
And given that Hela helped Odin conquer many worlds and executed many of those who dared to stand up against Odin, Rogers holding Thor's hammer doesn't make Rogers worthy at all since it clearly doesn't take a person with high integrity to hold Thor's hammer. That's why I'm unclear about Hela. Odin too, if we're being honest. I've only seen three people hold the hammer: Thor, Vision and Rogers. The hammer spoke; can't argue with results.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2019 16:46:53 GMT
I've only seen three people hold the hammer: Thor, Vision and Rogers. And Hela too. Did you not see Ragnarok? So clearly it doesn't take someone with high integrity to hold Thor's hammer since even a conqueror and executioner can hold it.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 8, 2019 16:48:37 GMT
Power-hungry? Jealous? Jealous of who? From what I remember, Steve Rogers was the kid from Brooklyn who wanted to fight Nazis, but not because he wanted to impress anyone, but because he thought it was the right thing to do. He tried and fail several times to join the army but failed all the times he enrolled because of health and physic, but that didn't stop him from trying. Until he met a scientist that enlisted him in the super soldier experiment. Dr. Erskine saw the good man in him and thought he was perfect for the job (which he was). After he was given his god-given strength, he then used his gifts to stop a terrorist group called Hydra. So no dumbass, he wasn't power-hungry, nor was he jealous of anyone. Rogers was a reject who couldn't get into the Army because he was too lazy to exercise and train like the other soldiers. He was jealous that the other soldiers were getting attention from the girls so he actively sought to gain super-powers. And after he gains his super-powers thanks to the US government, he betrays the same government that gave him is super-powers by refusing to sign the Accords. Moreover, Cap's reason for refusing to sign the Accords (even after a team of Avengers under his command acted recklessly and caused the deaths of many innocent civilians) was the ridiculous claim that the UN can't be trusted because they might be infiltrated by HYDRA, yet at the end of Endgame Cap goes to Vormir and willingly hands over the powerful Soul Stone to the Red Skull, who was a former leader of HYDRA! Can you not read? He had several medical problems. He wasn't too lazy to exercise and train. And it didn't seem Steve wasn't attracted to any girl besides Peggy. And he didn't actively sought to gain superpowers, the scientist chose him because he saw the good in him. And he doesn't trust the UN because they're infiltrated by Hydra, he refused to sign because he sees the downfall of signing the Accords. Like he said, what if there's a place that they need to go, and they won't let us?
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2019 16:50:07 GMT
And Hela was holding Thor's hammer in the 3rd Thor film. So clearly it doesn't take someone with high integrity to hold Thor's hammer. She wasn't holding it. She stopped its momentum and destroyed it. Hela was holding Thor's hammer. You probably haven't gotten to this part in school yet, but there's this thing called gravity. Because of gravity, a hammer that isn't moving can't stay in the air by itself, unless something or someone is holding it up. That someone holding up Thor's hammer in the air after it stopped moving was Hela, who helped Odin conquer many worlds and executed many of those who dared to stand up to Odin. So clearly it doesn't take someone with high integrity to hold Thor's hammer since even a conqueror and executioner can do it.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 8, 2019 16:50:26 GMT
I've only seen three people hold the hammer: Thor, Vision and Rogers. And Hela too. Did you not see Ragnarok? So clearly it doesn't take someone with high integrity to hold Thor's hammer since even a conqueror and executioner can hold it. Why couldn't Hulk wield the hammer? Why couldn't Loki? The rest of the Avengers?
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2019 16:51:39 GMT
Rogers was a reject who couldn't get into the Army because he was too lazy to exercise and train like the other soldiers. He was jealous that the other soldiers were getting attention from the girls so he actively sought to gain super-powers. And after he gains his super-powers thanks to the US government, he betrays the same government that gave him is super-powers by refusing to sign the Accords. Moreover, Cap's reason for refusing to sign the Accords (even after a team of Avengers under his command acted recklessly and caused the deaths of many innocent civilians) was the ridiculous claim that the UN can't be trusted because they might be infiltrated by HYDRA, yet at the end of Endgame Cap goes to Vormir and willingly hands over the powerful Soul Stone to the Red Skull, who was a former leader of HYDRA!he doesn't trust the UN because they're infiltrated by Hydra Yet at the end of Endgame he goes to Vormir and willingly hands over the powerful Soul Stone to the Red Skull, who was a former leader of HYDRA.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 8, 2019 16:51:54 GMT
She wasn't holding it. She stopped its momentum and destroyed it. Hela was holding Thor's hammer. You probably haven't gotten to this part in school yet, but there's this thing called gravity. Because of gravity, a hammer that isn't moving can't stay in the air by itself, unless something or someone is holding it up. That someone holding up Thor's hammer in the air after it stopped moving was Hela, who helped Odin conquer many worlds and executed many of those who dared to stand up to Odin. So clearly it doesn't take someone with high integrity to hold Thor's hammer since even a conqueror and executioner can do it. She stopped its momentum and destroyed it. Not sorry.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2019 16:52:43 GMT
And Hela too. Did you not see Ragnarok? So clearly it doesn't take someone with high integrity to hold Thor's hammer since even a conqueror and executioner can hold it. Why couldn't Hulk wield the hammer? Why couldn't Loki? The rest of the Avengers? Because they're not powerful enough. All it takes is power to hold Thor's hammer. Hela had enough power so she was able to hold Thor's hammer.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 16:53:15 GMT
I've only seen three people hold the hammer: Thor, Vision and Rogers. And Hela too. Did you not see Ragnarok? So clearly it doesn't take someone with high integrity to hold Thor's hammer since even a conqueror and executioner can hold it. What's your explanation for why Rogers can command the hammer? Keep in mind Hulk can't lift it, and he's a hell of a lot stronger than Rogers.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 8, 2019 16:53:49 GMT
he doesn't trust the UN because they're infiltrated by Hydra Yet at the end of Endgame he goes to Vormir and willingly hands over the powerful Soul Stone to the Red Skull, who was a former leader of HYDRA. Liar. Red Skull specifically mentions he can't possess the stone.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 16:54:21 GMT
he doesn't trust the UN because they're infiltrated by Hydra Yet at the end of Endgame he goes to Vormir and willingly hands over the powerful Soul Stone to the Red Skull, who was a former leader of HYDRA. Not necessarily. He could have teleported onto the planet, flicked the soul stone into the pond and gtfo'd immediately. That trip doesn't need to take more than a few seconds when you think about it. Teleport, flick stone into lake, teleport out. Boom, done.
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