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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 8, 2019 16:54:27 GMT
Why couldn't Hulk wield the hammer? Why couldn't Loki? The rest of the Avengers? Because they're not powerful enough. All it takes is power to hold Thor's hammer. Hela had enough power so she was able to hold Thor's hammer. Cap is more powerful than the Hulk. Gotcha.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 8, 2019 16:54:35 GMT
Why couldn't Hulk wield the hammer? Why couldn't Loki? The rest of the Avengers? Because they're not powerful enough. All it takes is power to hold Thor's hammer. Hela had enough power so she was able to hold Thor's hammer. Liar. Hulk is stronger than Vision.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 8, 2019 16:55:04 GMT
Because they're not powerful enough. All it takes is power to hold Thor's hammer. Hela had enough power so she was able to hold Thor's hammer. Cap is more powerful than the Hulk. Gotcha. Makes sense to me. lol
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 8, 2019 16:56:20 GMT
he doesn't trust the UN because they're infiltrated by Hydra Yet at the end of Endgame he goes to Vormir and willingly hands over the powerful Soul Stone to the Red Skull, who was a former leader of HYDRA. Oh, then he should've just kept it and fucked up the timeline.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 8, 2019 16:57:04 GMT
Cap is more powerful than the Hulk. Gotcha. Makes sense to me. lol I was avoiding this thread at first. But once you get him chasing his own tail, he comes up with gems like this and it makes the whole thing worth it.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 8, 2019 16:57:40 GMT
Why couldn't Hulk wield the hammer? Why couldn't Loki? The rest of the Avengers? Because they're not powerful enough. All it takes is power to hold Thor's hammer. Hela had enough power so she was able to hold Thor's hammer. Pretty sure Hulk is more powerful than Steve Rogers.
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Post by damngumby on May 8, 2019 16:58:57 GMT
Captain America was a way better beacon of light than Superman. Beacon of light for who? Himself? Wakanda? He's a bad soldier and a fugitive. The DC movies have their problems, and they are massive, but Superman did nothing like that. Captain America as an obedient pawn to the powers that be = boring. It's hilarious that DC fans think an independent thinking superhero who does not grovel at the feet of authority, is a bad thing. If Captain America was portrayed as a big pussy like Superman, no doubt the MCU wouldn't be as wildly successful as it is today.
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Post by kuatorises on May 8, 2019 17:28:39 GMT
Beacon of light for who? Himself? Wakanda? He's a bad soldier and a fugitive. The DC movies have their problems, and they are massive, but Superman did nothing like that. Captain America as an obedient pawn to the powers that be = boring. It's hilarious that DC fans think an independent thinking superhero who does not grovel at the feet of authority, is a bad thing. If Captain America was portrayed as a big pussy like Superman, no doubt the MCU wouldn't be as wildly successful as it is today. The only DC movie I've seen from start to finish and Wonder Woman.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 17:40:06 GMT
Captain America as an obedient pawn to the powers that be = boring. It's hilarious that DC fans think an independent thinking superhero who does not grovel at the feet of authority, is a bad thing. If Captain America was portrayed as a big pussy like Superman, no doubt the MCU wouldn't be as wildly successful as it is today. The only DC movie I've seen from start to finish and Wonder Woman. You've got some pretty intense catching up to do. Well, the decent ones anyways. Batman Returns, Superman and Superman II, the first 2 thirds of The Dark Knight trilogy (and I guess the final third). DC has some hitters. I wouldn't put any of the more recent DC extended universe movies in it. Wonder Woman, yes, Shazam...maybe. Aquaman aka Jason Momoa the movie is fine too. It's a terrific thrill but I doubt I need to watch it again, ever. Batman's great too, although I don't know how well it's aged and Heath Ledger blew Jack Nicholson's already strong Joker out of the water.
The DC animated movies (I think they're technically movies) are pretty good. Like The Death of Superman (he dies in the end), Reign of the Supermen, Justice League vs Teen Titans. Superman hasn't really wowed me since the original Superman and Superman II except for being in animated form. I like DC characters but the DC extended universe movies are awful, in my opinion. Henry Cavil seemed great for the part but he can't act. His demeanor during most of his movies is somebody who got stuck doing the night shift at a diner. He looks like he'd rather be anybody or anything else other than a superhero. Ben Affleck doesn't work for me as Superman, and Jessie Eisenberg as Lex Luthor (to me) is one of the most miscast roles in Hollywood history. I'm not joking, it was easier to stomach Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's.
There's an animated movie on Netflix now of Batman and Robin but it's all the old actors from the TV series doing the voices. Adam West, Burt Ward, Julie Newmar as Catwoman. That has a lot of charm and camp. It's a pun extravaganza too.
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Post by kuatorises on May 8, 2019 17:53:56 GMT
The only DC movie I've seen from start to finish and Wonder Woman. You've got some pretty intense catching up to do. Well, the decent ones anyways. Batman Returns, Superman and Superman II, the first 2 thirds of The Dark Knight trilogy (and I guess the final third). DC has some hitters. I wouldn't put any of the more recent DC extended universe movies in it. Wonder Woman, yes, Shazam...maybe. Aquaman aka Jason Momoa the movie is fine too. It's a terrific thrill but I doubt I need to watch it again, ever. Batman's great too, although I don't know how well it's aged and Heath Ledger blew Jack Nicholson's already strong Joker out of the water.
The DC animated movies (I think they're technically movies) are pretty good. Like The Death of Superman (he dies in the end), Reign of the Supermen, Justice League vs Teen Titans. Superman hasn't really wowed me since the original Superman and Superman II except for being in animated form. I like DC characters but the DC extended universe movies are awful, in my opinion. Henry Cavil seemed great for the part but he can't act. His demeanor during most of his movies is somebody who got stuck doing the night shift at a diner. He looks like he'd rather be anybody or anything else other than a superhero. Ben Affleck doesn't work for me as Superman, and Jessie Eisenberg as Lex Luthor (to me) is one of the most miscast roles in Hollywood history. I'm not joking, it was easier to stomach Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's.
There's an animated movie on Netflix now of Batman and Robin but it's all the old actors from the TV series doing the voices. Adam West, Burt Ward, Julie Newmar as Catwoman. That has a lot of charm and camp. It's a pun extravaganza too.
I'm talking about the DCEU and am pretty sure the giant monkey man is too.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 18:05:24 GMT
You've got some pretty intense catching up to do. Well, the decent ones anyways. Batman Returns, Superman and Superman II, the first 2 thirds of The Dark Knight trilogy (and I guess the final third). DC has some hitters. I wouldn't put any of the more recent DC extended universe movies in it. Wonder Woman, yes, Shazam...maybe. Aquaman aka Jason Momoa the movie is fine too. It's a terrific thrill but I doubt I need to watch it again, ever. Batman's great too, although I don't know how well it's aged and Heath Ledger blew Jack Nicholson's already strong Joker out of the water.
The DC animated movies (I think they're technically movies) are pretty good. Like The Death of Superman (he dies in the end), Reign of the Supermen, Justice League vs Teen Titans. Superman hasn't really wowed me since the original Superman and Superman II except for being in animated form. I like DC characters but the DC extended universe movies are awful, in my opinion. Henry Cavil seemed great for the part but he can't act. His demeanor during most of his movies is somebody who got stuck doing the night shift at a diner. He looks like he'd rather be anybody or anything else other than a superhero. Ben Affleck doesn't work for me as Superman, and Jessie Eisenberg as Lex Luthor (to me) is one of the most miscast roles in Hollywood history. I'm not joking, it was easier to stomach Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's.
There's an animated movie on Netflix now of Batman and Robin but it's all the old actors from the TV series doing the voices. Adam West, Burt Ward, Julie Newmar as Catwoman. That has a lot of charm and camp. It's a pun extravaganza too.
I'm talking about the DCEU and am pretty sure the giant monkey man is too. I try to remind myself that, but I think the DCEU is as far removed from the other DC movies as Marvel movies are. Which is to say all DCEU movies are DC, but not all DC movies are DCEU.
Well, if you're just talking about DCEU then you're not missing much, but you might as well see them anyways. Man of Steel is okay, I genuinely like Wonder Woman, and Shazam was a surprising bit of delight. I've seen worse than Aquaman. For the most part I think the rest is garbage BUT don't take my word for it.
You know, not to sound too literal, but Superman's weighed this problem before. When I think of conformity and Superman, I think of the story of The Dark Knight Returns where the government dispatches Superman to fight an aged Batman. Batman lays into Superman about being the government's attack dog, about being sent to clear up whatever mess they want. He's not completely wrong. It's not an illegitimate or unheard of criticism that Superman flirts with conformity.
When I read groveling and 'feet of authority', my mind went to that specific story.
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Post by sostie on May 8, 2019 18:32:17 GMT
Odin didn't put the 'worthy' enchantment on Mjolnir until the beginning of the first Thor film. And Hela was holding Thor's hammer in the 3rd Thor film. So clearly it doesn't take someone with high integrity to hold Thor's hammer since even a conqueror and executioner can hold it. It was originally her hammer. There would have to be some kind of 'ownership' of the hammer so it knew who to return to (as it does when when Thor throws it)....Hela was one of the "owners". Plus, Hela was as equally or more powerful than Odin who later put the enchantment on it. The fact that Hela should not be able to wield the hammer is recognised in the film with Thor's reaction and declaration that it is "not possible". This is before he knows her past and how powerful she is. Fail again.
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Post by bud47 on May 8, 2019 19:00:53 GMT
And Hela was holding Thor's hammer in the 3rd Thor film. So clearly it doesn't take someone with high integrity to hold Thor's hammer since even a conqueror and executioner can hold it. It was originally her hammer. There would have to be some kind of 'ownership' of the hammer so it knew who to return to (as it does when when Thor throws it)....Hela was one of the "owners". Plus, Hela was as equally or more powerful than Odin who later put the enchantment on it. The fact that Hela should not be able to wield the hammer is recognised in the film with Thor's reaction and declaration that it is "not possible". This is before he knows her past and how powerful she is. Fail again. If you listen to the sound effects in that scene, you can even hear the hammer trying to resist/struggle against her as she stops it's momentum and then destroys it.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 8, 2019 20:50:51 GMT
He's so worthy that once he got to the stage where he could hold the hammer So you're saying that Steve Rogers is as worthy as Hela? Umm, you guys do know that Odin added the worthy part in the 1st Thor movie, right? He whispered the incantation before throwing it into the Bifrost. You didn't have to be worthy to wield it before then. Hela was only strong enough to crush it.
Wow, just saw how many people had to explain this to him, but he stuck his finger in his ears and went "LALALALA."
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Post by Nicko's Nose on May 8, 2019 20:52:57 GMT
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2019 21:05:45 GMT
So you're saying that Steve Rogers is as worthy as Hela? Umm, you guys do know that Odin added the worthy part in the 1st Thor movie, right?
And Hela held Thor's hammer in the 3rd Thor movie. So clearly someone doesn't have to high integrity to hold Thor's hammer since even a conqueror and executioner can hold Thor's hammer.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 8, 2019 21:15:54 GMT
Umm, you guys do know that Odin added the worthy part in the 1st Thor movie, right?
And Hela held Thor's hammer in the 3rd Thor movie. So clearly someone doesn't have to high integrity to hold Thor's hammer since even a conqueror and executioner can hold Thor's hammer. She didn't hold it. She stopped it's momentum so it didn't hit her.
Look at it shaking. She's leaning into it and actually fighting it.
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Post by damngumby on May 8, 2019 21:21:04 GMT
And Hela held Thor's hammer in the 3rd Thor movie. So clearly someone doesn't have to high integrity to hold Thor's hammer since even a conqueror and executioner can hold Thor's hammer. She didn't hold it. She stopped it's momentum so it didn't hit her.
Look at it shaking. She's leaning into it and actually fighting it.
Looks like DC-Fan is wrong again!
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Post by poutinep on May 8, 2019 21:26:01 GMT
Umm, you guys do know that Odin added the worthy part in the 1st Thor movie, right?
And Hela held Thor's hammer in the 3rd Thor movie. So clearly someone doesn't have to high integrity to hold Thor's hammer since even a conqueror and executioner can hold Thor's hammer. Yeah, she wasn't actually 'holding' it in the normal sense. If you look at that shot (just posted by ThatGuy), Mjolnir's strap is still positioned like the hammer is in motion from Thor's throw. If she were 'holding' it, the strap would fall. It's just 'magic,' not strength or integrity.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 8, 2019 22:27:36 GMT
I figured you'd be back eventually...
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