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Post by clusium on Sept 11, 2018 4:24:20 GMT
It happened on a Tuesday morning too.
9/11/01.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 11, 2018 5:10:20 GMT
Both are tragic events.
But this thread is about 9/11, and like so many others, I will never forget that day, just as I will never forget the assassination of President Kennedy or the day The Challenger blew up.
The issues raised by the 9/11 attack were profound. Radicalized religion was at the base of it, and that is appropriate to this board especially.
It's hard to believe that so much time has passed; in ways, it seems like yesterday. All loss is tragic, especially one orchestrated by human beings.
A very sad anniversary.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 11, 2018 5:32:27 GMT
Ah....it is customary thread that is always hosted by Splashen (clusium). I can't remember if you missed this thread any time in last 5 years. dividavi also contributed to this thread in previous years by mentioning his memories of the event. It was very sad. I was in class 9th. So many innocent people died and so many other people had to bear the pain of losing their loved ones. After US and UK, India lost more citizens than any other country so the thing was also very tragic for many Indian families who lost their loved ones. There is only one thing that cheers me up. We have not seen another attack of similar style in recent years. Perhaps the authorities have done well to secure us.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 11, 2018 5:50:11 GMT
Just to recount where I was - I was at my grandma's house watching TV in the living room and the remote was in my hands. It was evening time and I was switching channels. Suddenly I saw breaking news. At first they didn't say it was terrorist attack. But all of us started sensing it was something big. All my cousins and aunts and even grandma started watching the TV. Then we were sort of horrified by intensity of the event. Then we started with analysing the potential perpetrators. I think someone said Palestinians but I can't recall who. Next day in school we thought there would be war
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Post by phludowin on Sept 11, 2018 6:02:16 GMT
I also remember how I received the news.
I was at work. It was around 4pm local time, our boss came in our office and said that a plane had crashed in the World Trade Center. Internet connections weren't very powerful yet, so all news site I tried didn't load. I got the news then from a discussion forum about the Bangles, where I was active at the time.
After work I went to a Saturn store to buy a DVD; and there were crowds of people standing in front of the TVs, watching the footage. At home I spent the rest of the evening listening to the radio.
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Post by phludowin on Sept 11, 2018 6:12:53 GMT
Both are tragic events. But this thread is about 9/11. While this is true, I agree that people should be careful with superlatives. Calling an event that claimed 3,000 lives the "most horrific" event of the 21st century when another event claimed more than 200,000 is a bit inappropriate in my opinion. And people in Haiti who remember 2010 might also have something to say about this matter.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 11, 2018 8:37:19 GMT
Inside job.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 11, 2018 9:07:10 GMT
I think even the people involved in it (Al-Qaeda) don't say that. It was attack orchestrated by Bin Laden.
It has become clear that the West in general and America in particular have an unspeakable hatred for Islam. ... It is the hatred of crusaders. Terrorism against America deserves to be praised because it was a response to injustice, aimed at forcing America to stop its support for Israel, which kills our people. ... We say that the end of the United States is imminent, whether Bin Laden or his followers are alive or dead, for the awakening of the Muslim umma (nation) has occurred
~ Bin Laden
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 11, 2018 9:22:11 GMT
Yes. Terrorists inside the planes were responsible.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 11, 2018 9:56:19 GMT
Yes. Terrorists inside the planes were responsible. No one was inside the planes.
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Post by Morgana on Sept 11, 2018 10:16:37 GMT
Both are tragic events. But this thread is about 9/11. While this is true, I agree that people should be careful with superlatives. Calling an event that claimed 3,000 lives the "most horrific" event of the 21st century when another event claimed more than 200,000 is a bit inappropriate in my opinion. And people in Haiti who remember 2010 might also have something to say about this matter. What happened was terrible, but why do Americans still behave as though there are no other countries, or people that matter, except them?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 11, 2018 10:32:46 GMT
While this is true, I agree that people should be careful with superlatives. Calling an event that claimed 3,000 lives the "most horrific" event of the 21st century when another event claimed more than 200,000 is a bit inappropriate in my opinion. And people in Haiti who remember 2010 might also have something to say about this matter. What happened was terrible, but why do Americans still behave as though there are no other countries, or people that matter, except them? Clusium is a Canadian, and although I've heard from more than one source that Canadians don't consider themselves Americans (like Egyptians don't consider themselves Africans), I can't remember ever talking with her about this. Speaking as a USA-born American, all I can tell you is that we're programmed that way from an early age, because God shed His grace on us and all. The programming never fully took with me, because there was a contradiction involved between it and what we are taught as Christians, that all peoples are equally loved by God.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:04:41 GMT
That's what this thread needed. Comedy.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 11, 2018 13:16:53 GMT
Rant time:
It’s funny that my kids are taught how significant this was.
They are kinda made to feel weird about not realizing it’s impact and to be clear it had one.
My oldest was 18 months old and my second wasn’t even born yet.
I was talking to them this morning about how my youngest feels guilty for not thinking on it too much.
I said there was no reason for him to think about it. Instead focus on seeing how to prevent all the additional tragedy happening now since humanity as a whole is too stupid to prevent it. There is no particular reason for annual reflection of the attack.
If he wanted to remember anything remember how beautiful the memorial was when we visited it in NYC and reflect in the lives lost as opposed to the attack itself and the love of country people try to pretend it should foster.
9/11 itself should primarily be remembered as the start of a ridiculous boondoggle that hasn’t ended to this day and increased hatred across scores of countries, cost tons of lives and money, & guaranteed I would forever more be buying small versions of toothpaste when I have to fly somewhere.
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Post by clusium on Sept 11, 2018 13:35:09 GMT
I also remember how I received the news. I was at work. It was around 4pm local time, our boss came in our office and said that a plane had crashed in the World Trade Center. Internet connections weren't very powerful yet, so all news site I tried didn't load. I got the news then from a discussion forum about the Bangles, whefe I was active at the time. After work I went to a Saturn store to buy a DVD; and there were crowds of people standing in front of the TVs, watching the footage. At home I spent the rest of the evening listening to the radio. As Rachel Carson noted, I think we all remember where we were. I returned to school, & on my way home, I cut through my local shopping mall. As I was walking through, I saw a whole bunch of people standing together staring up at a TV screen. Usually, this particular TV screen only showed people entering or exiting the drugstore that it was in. However, on this particular occasion, it was showing the news. I asked what had happened, they told me that 2 planes crashed into the WTC. I remember thinking to myself "OMG!!! What a horrible accident!!!" & continued to walk home. Then when I arrived home, my parents were watching the event on the news, & they told me it was a terrorist attack.
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Post by clusium on Sept 11, 2018 13:40:51 GMT
While this is true, I agree that people should be careful with superlatives. Calling an event that claimed 3,000 lives the "most horrific" event of the 21st century when another event claimed more than 200,000 is a bit inappropriate in my opinion. And people in Haiti who remember 2010 might also have something to say about this matter. What happened was terrible, but why do Americans still behave as though there are no other countries, or people that matter, except them? Morgana, I live in Canada. Yes, it may have been a bit inappropriate of me to describe the deaths of 3,000 people as the most horrific event of the 21'St Century, as compared to hundreds of thousands that were killed in the tsunami or the Haitian earthquake, however, I was actually referring to the fact that this was a TERRORIST ATTACK, hence mass, mass, murder, as opposed to natural disasters. Natural disasters, while completely tragic, particular when a great amount of life is killed off, at least there is nobody to blame for them. All there is compassion for those lives lost, & homes destroyed, etc. The attack at the WTC, the attack at the hotel in Mumbai, or the subway system in London England, were caused by human beings with no shred of respect for human life. Only their own ideologies.
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 11, 2018 14:36:35 GMT
it was the biggest ramification of ones actions fueled by an international greed-fest, you mean.
i find it patently absurd that americans think they can prance around the planet pretending they own it all because they can melt everyone on it. talk about air where testicles should be.
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 11, 2018 14:43:33 GMT
another fine aftermath
so this far into another fine aftermath america seems expert at getting itself into: has the swelling gone down any on our collective greedy little sticky fingers?
wake me when your turn-the-other-cheek-so-we-can-paddle-up-a-different-unsuspecting-creek mentality rises above that of the pets you love more than each other.
and by all means you can start by selling off all those tridents so i can honestly tell the kids we can be actual brothers.
sjw 09/11/18 inspired at this very moment in time by i can't imagine why everyone isn't more than willing to prostrate themselves before us.
from the 'bewitched series' of poems
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Post by sweetpea on Sept 11, 2018 20:56:44 GMT
While this is true, I agree that people should be careful with superlatives. Calling an event that claimed 3,000 lives the "most horrific" event of the 21st century when another event claimed more than 200,000 is a bit inappropriate in my opinion. And people in Haiti who remember 2010 might also have something to say about this matter. What happened was terrible, but why do Americans still behave as though there are no other countries, or people that matter, except them? 372 foreign nationals from 61 countries were also victims. Not all of us Americans think or feel that way. However it happened on American soil. So we take that just a little more personally. Whether something is more "horrific"....something like 9/11 could have by most accounts been prevented. How do you prevent mother nature? So in a mind, it can be more horrific that we could have stopped it from happening. As human beings, people do not have to become terrorists. We, human beings, tend to screw ourselves in so many ways. But again, there's not much defense when it comes to mother nature. They are both tragedies.
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Post by phludowin on Sept 11, 2018 21:44:26 GMT
What happened was terrible, but why do Americans still behave as though there are no other countries, or people that matter, except them? 372 foreign nationals from 61 countries were also victims. Not all of us Americans think or feel that way. However it happened on American soil. So we take that just a little more personally. Whether something is more "horrific"....something like 9/11 could have by most accounts been prevented. How do you prevent mother nature? So in a mind, it can be more horrific that we could have stopped it from happening. As human beings, people do not have to become terrorists. We, human beings, tend to screw ourselves in so many ways. But again, there's not much defense when it comes to mother nature. They are both tragedies. You can't prevent forces of nature from happening, but you can prevent the consequences being so disastrous as in Indonesia or Haiti. Indonesia did not have a Tsunami warning system before 2004. Only after the Tsunami did they implement it. The Haiti earthquake was weaker than some earthquakes in California or Japan; yet the consequences were more disastrous, because of low building standards in Haiti. So we can say it was human stupidity or negligence that caused such a high number of casualties.
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