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Post by amyghost on Nov 8, 2018 12:48:06 GMT
why's it stupid, dear? When you dream, that's pretty much the same process at work--it's not consciously dictated. When a schizophrenic hallucinates, it's the result of chemical imbalances in the brain; again, not a conscious process, but a biochemical one. Are you really so backward as to have no awareness of this?
The stupid one here is you, and numbingly so.
You are so stupid and ignorant concerning these matters, it's like discussing this topic with a preschooler. Dreams are a product of the imagination as well. In fact, many artists and scientists have said their greatest ideas and inventions, songs, etc., came to them in dreams. Where do you think inspiration comes from? A little corner in the brain too? Tesla was the greatest scientist who ever lived, and I would believe what he taught through his experience before I would believe an fartbrain like you, who has ZERO understanding of the field that surrounds everything and the vibrations and frequencies and energies that exist outside of material objects and density. The inspiration for dream material is not the same as the processes that cause dreaming. An ad-hom slinging simpleton like yourself confabulates the two and concludes that dreams are apparently some sort of radio signal from 'out there'--presumably, in your case, god. You really will sink to the lowest depths of idiocy to coddle your own dream, apparently. Oh, and now suddenly there's a scientist whom you revere--I thought all scientific figures were just easily dismissable 'mere men' to you; but now that you think you've snagged a figure who would credit your hare-brained assertions, suddenly it's schoolgirl crush time. So Tesla's experience was what schooled him, eh? Not 'Divine Inspiration', but real-world research and work? How very enlightened of you to have come far enough to admit that. Now amuse us all, and give us a little dissertation on Tesla , as I want to see you attempt to 'do science' some more. It's funny, and all of us here can always use a good laugh.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 8, 2018 14:23:48 GMT
The brain is an incredible machine. It can make us see all kinds of things when it's firing on all cylinders, especially during a traumatic experience. Yes, and that's exactly what it is, only it's more of a receiver. Gotta disagree. There's no evidence it's receiving anything. Just the chemicals it's releasing.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 8, 2018 14:26:38 GMT
If you wanted a description of Paris, whose description would you believe -- someone who actually has been to Paris, or someone who has never been to Paris? I would not believe someone who has never been to Paris, but pretends to have been there. I would believe someone who's studied Paris and its architecture all their life--even if they've never been--over someone who visited once for a day or two.
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 8, 2018 14:39:22 GMT
You are so stupid and ignorant concerning these matters, it's like discussing this topic with a preschooler. Dreams are a product of the imagination as well. In fact, many artists and scientists have said their greatest ideas and inventions, songs, etc., came to them in dreams. Where do you think inspiration comes from? A little corner in the brain too?Tesla was the greatest scientist who ever lived, and I would believe what he taught through his experience before I would believe an fartbrain like you, who has ZERO understanding of the field that surrounds everything and the vibrations and frequencies and energies that exist outside of material objects and density. You see, you already knew the answer. ALL thought, consciousness, memories, dreams, NDE and everything else are seated in the wonderful human brain which sadly dies with us and ALL those things. NOTHING continues except perhaps in the memories of others( and books letters art etc physical evidence left after your existence ceases), if you are lucky. You and the conductors of those studies you rely on have never experienced an NDE, so you don't know jack shit. Your ignorance is unique only to the Western world concerning this topic.
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 8, 2018 14:41:13 GMT
You are so stupid and ignorant concerning these matters, it's like discussing this topic with a preschooler. Dreams are a product of the imagination as well. In fact, many artists and scientists have said their greatest ideas and inventions, songs, etc., came to them in dreams. Where do you think inspiration comes from? A little corner in the brain too? Tesla was the greatest scientist who ever lived, and I would believe what he taught through his experience before I would believe an fartbrain like you, who has ZERO understanding of the field that surrounds everything and the vibrations and frequencies and energies that exist outside of material objects and density. The inspiration for dream material is not the same as the processes that cause dreaming. An ad-hom slinging simpleton like yourself confabulates the two and concludes that dreams are apparently some sort of radio signal from 'out there'--presumably, in your case, god. You really will sink to the lowest depths of idiocy to coddle your own dream, apparently. Oh, and now suddenly there's a scientist whom you revere--I thought all scientific figures were just easily dismissable 'mere men' to you; but now that you think you've snagged a figure who would credit your hare-brained assertions, suddenly it's schoolgirl crush time. So Tesla's experience was what schooled him, eh? Not 'Divine Inspiration', but real-world research and work? How very enlightened of you to have come far enough to admit that. Now amuse us all, and give us a little dissertation on Tesla , as I want to see you attempt to 'do science' some more. It's funny, and all of us here can always use a good laugh. ^^^The board's scientific genius.
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 8, 2018 14:42:41 GMT
I would not believe someone who has never been to Paris, but pretends to have been there. I would believe someone who's studied Paris and its architecture all their life--even if they've never been--over someone who visited once for a day or two. And judging by your stupidity, over someone who was born and raised there too.
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 8, 2018 14:48:11 GMT
Yes, and that's exactly what it is, only it's more of a receiver. Gotta disagree. There's no evidence it's receiving anything. Just the chemicals it's releasing. There's no evidence of which chemicals do what, or they could isolate them by what they do. There is no 'idea chemical', etc. And they have more than enough evidence that the brain acts as a receiver. The very idea that anyone could believe we are nothing but organic robots even seems unnatural, IMO.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 8, 2018 14:52:53 GMT
I would believe someone who's studied Paris and its architecture all their life--even if they've never been--over someone who visited once for a day or two. And judging by your stupidity, over someone who was born and raised there too. Not at all. Although no doubt the person who studied the architecture would know much more about it. In an objective sense of course. After all, even the average Parisian wouldn't know much about the history of Art Nouveau vs Classical Revival. In this case, an actual expert would be much more suited to describe the city.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 8, 2018 14:57:36 GMT
Gotta disagree. There's no evidence it's receiving anything. Just the chemicals it's releasing. There's no evidence of which chemicals do what, or they could isolate them by what they do. There is no 'idea chemical', etc. And they have more than enough evidence that the brain acts as a receiver. The very idea that anyone could believe we are nothing but organic robots even seems unnatural, IMO. Actually, there are mountains of evidence. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2702442/We know exactly what they do and even how to isolate them. It's why we've been coming up with all kinds of medication for mental health. Seratonin and dopamine are among the two most commonly known and studied chemicals in the brain. And there actually isn't any substantial evidence the brain receives anything other than input from our senses.
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 8, 2018 14:58:35 GMT
And judging by your stupidity, over someone who was born and raised there too. Not at all. Although no doubt the person who studied the architecture would know much more about it. In an objective sense of course. After all, even the average Parisian wouldn't know much about the history of Art Nouveau vs Classical Revival. In this case, an actual expert would be much more suited to describe the city. So you don't think there are any Parisian architects? Stupidity confirmed.
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 8, 2018 15:01:31 GMT
There's no evidence of which chemicals do what, or they could isolate them by what they do. There is no 'idea chemical', etc. And they have more than enough evidence that the brain acts as a receiver. The very idea that anyone could believe we are nothing but organic robots even seems unnatural, IMO. Actually, there are mountains of evidence. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2702442/We know exactly what they do and even how to isolate them. It's why we've been coming up with all kinds of medication for mental health. Seratonin and dopamine are among the two most commonly known and studied chemicals in the brain. And there actually isn't any substantial evidence the brain receives anything other than input from our senses. Those chemicals affect mood, and how are those chemicals created and how do they know what to do? How do they create ideas and inspiration? And why do they bother to create a spiritual experience even in atheists when the body is unconscious anyway?
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Post by progressiveelement on Nov 8, 2018 15:31:23 GMT
The inspiration for dream material is not the same as the processes that cause dreaming. An ad-hom slinging simpleton like yourself confabulates the two and concludes that dreams are apparently some sort of radio signal from 'out there'--presumably, in your case, god. You really will sink to the lowest depths of idiocy to coddle your own dream, apparently. Oh, and now suddenly there's a scientist whom you revere--I thought all scientific figures were just easily dismissable 'mere men' to you; but now that you think you've snagged a figure who would credit your hare-brained assertions, suddenly it's schoolgirl crush time. So Tesla's experience was what schooled him, eh? Not 'Divine Inspiration', but real-world research and work? How very enlightened of you to have come far enough to admit that. Now amuse us all, and give us a little dissertation on Tesla , as I want to see you attempt to 'do science' some more. It's funny, and all of us here can always use a good laugh. ^^^The board's scientific genius. Tesla claimed to have found radio signals from Mars. đź‘Ť
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 8, 2018 15:42:20 GMT
Not at all. Although no doubt the person who studied the architecture would know much more about it. In an objective sense of course. After all, even the average Parisian wouldn't know much about the history of Art Nouveau vs Classical Revival. In this case, an actual expert would be much more suited to describe the city. So you don't think there are any Parisian architects? Stupidity confirmed. Of course there are Parisian architects. However, I specifically used "average Parisian." The average Parisian is not an architect.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 8, 2018 15:46:15 GMT
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Post by thefleetsin on Nov 8, 2018 16:12:57 GMT
is that an extended magazine on your near death experience
here in the united stated of hysteria we extend almost everything to anyone who is in need.
that is if you buy into our version of liberty where your kids can be brought down to their collective knees because my life can't possibly function without an extended magazine on the glock my daddy bought me for my coming out party as a raging queen.
sjw 11/08/18 inspired at this very moment in time by geeesh.
from the 'bewitched series' of poems
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 8, 2018 16:26:29 GMT
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Post by general313 on Nov 8, 2018 16:38:00 GMT
I stopped reading at this point: The author couldn't distinguish science from a witch's incantation in a theatrical play.
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 8, 2018 16:50:15 GMT
I stopped reading at this point: The author couldn't distinguish science from a witch's incantation in a theatrical play. What does an atom consist of? Seems you stopped reading a long time ago.
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Post by general313 on Nov 8, 2018 17:21:03 GMT
I stopped reading at this point: The author couldn't distinguish science from a witch's incantation in a theatrical play. What does an atom consist of? Seems you stopped reading a long time ago. I'm going to go out a teensy weensy bit on a limb (about one micron away from the trunk) and say that my knowledge of physics and chemistry dwarfs yours by several orders of magnitude. Your asking me about atoms is quite hilariously pathetic.
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Post by goz on Nov 8, 2018 21:09:23 GMT
Now I read that article, unlike Cham who claims to have stopped reading due to its internet scientific and mathematical errors...( and unlike you who I am betting has not read the absolutely fascinating article that Caleb posted on neuroscience about hallucinations in schizophrenia) ... however I ploughed on and quickly came to the conclusion ( aided by the dead giveaway name in the website title of 'sacred' ) that it is nothing more than a conspiracy theory hoax, which is a pin up article for 'confirmatory bias ' towards sacredness, spirituality and religion and away from real science. Contrary to the title of the article 'science' does NOT prove that consciousness survives death at all, in fact quite the reverse. You and Cody should team up in your Google efforts to cherry pick confirmatory articles you hope to find on the internet. You both have a similar mentality of closed minded anti-intellectualism and stupidity.
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