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Post by johnspartan on Apr 13, 2019 6:27:49 GMT
Disney Star Wars has been the biggest "troll job" ever. From the hiring of Lena Dunham's boyfriend Adam Driver to the shockingly unqualified Lucasfilm storygroup of fanfiction bloggers to Lfl employees fighting with fans on Twitter about pansexual Lando.
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Post by darkpast on Apr 13, 2019 6:43:21 GMT
Disney Star Wars has been the biggest "troll job" ever. From the hiring of Lena Dunham's boyfriend Adam Driver to the shockingly unqualified Lucasfilm storygroup of fanfiction bloggers to Lfl employees fighting with fans on Twitter about pansexual Lando. adam driver still a class act and gave his best performance possible, never blasted fans if they hated it, rare in hollyweird
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Post by johnspartan on Apr 13, 2019 7:00:15 GMT
Disney Star Wars has been the biggest "troll job" ever. From the hiring of Lena Dunham's boyfriend Adam Driver to the shockingly unqualified Lucasfilm storygroup of fanfiction bloggers to Lfl employees fighting with fans on Twitter about pansexual Lando. adam driver still a class act and gave his best performance possible, never blasted fans if they hated it, rare in hollyweird Driver was in the HBO show "Girls" therefore he is scum.
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Post by kleinreturns on Apr 13, 2019 7:17:29 GMT
This feels too much like ROTJ.
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Post by darkramk on Apr 13, 2019 9:52:26 GMT
For the sake of humanity and good taste?
Sorry, I loved Star Wars growing up, but I've really had it at this point.
I will never forgive George Lucas for insisting we refer to the first movie as the 4th one & that we call it A New Hope instead of fricken Star Wars which is what it was called when I saw it in 1977 when I was 17. Also that we can't get any but his doctored version without scouring the internet. So because I was almost an adult & fell for Han & Chewie & have wanted a backstory movie on the pair since 1977, any sequels to what was an excellent film were quashed by emo fucking fanboys who didnt ask for the movie I've been asking for since 1977? The only fan group worse than Star Wars are the horror fan crowd. Any time I ventured onto a horror board like Supernatural or Lucifer over on the old IMDb boards & dared disagree with the general main voice, I would get The Warning. We can get 3 fricken Marvel movies a year, but OOOOOO we were getting TOO MANY STAR WARS FILMS!!!!!! I can appreciate your grievance.
I cut him a bit of slack about the initial ordering on the basis that the stories were not a franchise when that decision was made, no one predicted it was going to be a big deal and the amount of backstory that must have existed from the very beginning of the first film makes it a decision I personally don't hold against him too much.
I know it's a heresy, but George Lucas is not a particularly good writer. Don't get me wrong, I'm never going to write anything that blows up like that...but some of his narrative decisions are just not very good. One of the first draft character names was 'Starkiller' which changed to 'Skywalker'...which (again, I'll never be famous for knowing better) was a bad idea he didn't realize till he started collaborating with writers who had much better instincts and more talent. ESB is often regarded as the best of the originals...I think that's because Lucas didn't direct it or write the screenplay.
I call myself a fan in the sense that I had the toys when I was a kid, dressed up as various characters for Halloween over the years and owned copies of the movies in various formats. I enjoy a number of genres, but I don't 'do' conventions, cosplay and group stuff...it's just not my thing. There's a certain threshold where passive entertainment becomes an active past-time that creeps me out. I'll do a dinner/movie party...that's as far as I get into stuff like this as an adult.
And if it makes you feel any better, I think there are too many fricken Marvel movies a year too.
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 13, 2019 10:04:55 GMT
Meh. I'll see it in the theater because I've seen every one in the theater (during the first one I was extremely young and thought the storm troopers were robots), but so far the new movies have been underwhelming and this one looks no different. So you are doing the bidding of Disney and the industry...same with the modulars of Lego: you buy them to have the complete collection no matter how worse they got...or expensive. The trailer: the GMJaZ* is awful GröFaZ = Größter Feldheer aller Zeiten (Greatest Warlord of all time) GröMJaZ = Größte Mary Jane aller Zeiten (Greatest Mary Jane of all time) So, Star Wars fans should get lube ready...
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Post by papamihel on Apr 13, 2019 10:36:45 GMT
Looks kinda sterile but of course we saw very little.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 12:30:13 GMT
The prequel trilogy was far more watchable.
Literally nobody in the world who critiques films for a living agrees with that opinion.
I doubt that. Anyway, the critics ratings of The Last Jedi is so far removed from what audiences thought of the film they're hardly worth referencing as indicative of the films quality.
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Post by oftrollorigins on Apr 13, 2019 14:13:34 GMT
Yes, but Yoda said that’s not important. Look, I don’t hate TLJ, I’m a SW fan, so I like them all, but Rian Johnson made some very questionable choices. He was the total wrong choice for it. It is mythology like Marvel, only 10 times worse fanbase, probably because the comics have done everything under the sun because they can just claim it's an alternate universe/multiverse. Really, TLJ should be an alternate universe story. Johnson trashed everyone just to trash them. But it was no reason the damned audience had to hold their breath until they turned blue & refused to see a worthy effort like Solo. It’s too bad because Solo, like you said, is a worthy effort and if it had been successful we would’ve had an Obi-wan film with Ewan MacGregor. Now those are dead but Rian Johnson’s new trilogy is proceeding. Star Wars is entering unknown territory now.
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Post by merh on Apr 13, 2019 14:28:21 GMT
I will never forgive George Lucas for insisting we refer to the first movie as the 4th one & that we call it A New Hope instead of fricken Star Wars which is what it was called when I saw it in 1977 when I was 17. Also that we can't get any but his doctored version without scouring the internet. Lol but that's because there was only one Star Wars movie. You know like when the movie Breakin' came out, it was called 'Breakin'. But then Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo came out so the original became refered to as "Breakin' 1". But I call Star Wars the first & I am queried as to whether I mean Phantom Menace or A New Hope. I still see it as Star Wars 1, but no it's technically #4 while what I see as #4 is #1. An really, Lucas is a whiney bitch who tucked his tail between his legs & didn't finish the set sooner because the critics were mean to him (like they are to all successful moviemakers). We should have proceeded with the sequels while the original cast was young enough, then moved into a Vader prequel.
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Post by merh on Apr 13, 2019 14:48:40 GMT
I will never forgive George Lucas for insisting we refer to the first movie as the 4th one & that we call it A New Hope instead of fricken Star Wars which is what it was called when I saw it in 1977 when I was 17. Also that we can't get any but his doctored version without scouring the internet. So because I was almost an adult & fell for Han & Chewie & have wanted a backstory movie on the pair since 1977, any sequels to what was an excellent film were quashed by emo fucking fanboys who didnt ask for the movie I've been asking for since 1977? The only fan group worse than Star Wars are the horror fan crowd. Any time I ventured onto a horror board like Supernatural or Lucifer over on the old IMDb boards & dared disagree with the general main voice, I would get The Warning. We can get 3 fricken Marvel movies a year, but OOOOOO we were getting TOO MANY STAR WARS FILMS!!!!!! I can appreciate your grievance.
I cut him a bit of slack about the initial ordering on the basis that the stories were not a franchise when that decision was made, no one predicted it was going to be a big deal and the amount of backstory that must have existed from the very beginning of the first film makes it a decision I personally don't hold against him too much.
I know it's a heresy, but George Lucas is not a particularly good writer. Don't get me wrong, I'm never going to write anything that blows up like that...but some of his narrative decisions are just not very good. One of the first draft character names was 'Starkiller' which changed to 'Skywalker'...which (again, I'll never be famous for knowing better) was a bad idea he didn't realize till he started collaborating with writers who had much better instincts and more talent. ESB is often regarded as the best of the originals...I think that's because Lucas didn't direct it or write the screenplay.
I call myself a fan in the sense that I had the toys when I was a kid, dressed up as various characters for Halloween over the years and owned copies of the movies in various formats. I enjoy a number of genres, but I don't 'do' conventions, cosplay and group stuff...it's just not my thing. There's a certain threshold where passive entertainment becomes an active past-time that creeps me out. I'll do a dinner/movie party...that's as far as I get into stuff like this as an adult.
And if it makes you feel any better, I think there are too many fricken Marvel movies a year too.
I'm an old gal eyeballing retirement in less than 2 yrs (government grunt-99% of my pay. Yeah!). When I was a child, tv was Batman, Wild Wild West, Man From UNCLE, Star Trek, Dark Shadows-fantasy. Hell, regular comedy shows like Gilligan's Island & Lucy Show would throw in some alien jokes. Then the 70s-my teen years-drought. Here's one fantasy show in the middle of 10 cop dramas. Movies same. I would buy books that discussed the horror/fantasy flicks I never expected to see (remember VCRs were the 80s). I LOVE ALL THE STUFF WE GET NOW. I don't care how crappy it might be, if it is successful, we might get others. I don't like Nolan, but we got the MCU out of Hollywood's devotion to making endless Batman movies (I prefer Burton's). Oh my goodness, all the horror now. We used to get some stuff around Halloween, & they are usually cheap enough to make the straight to video market boomed in the 80s. All those rent one/get one coupons when all else failed, the 2nd would be some horror film because they could be so-bad-its-good. Star Wars wasn't artsy fartsy high concept. It was commonly referred to as a popcorn flick. Lucas went from admitting it was fun fluff to suddenly be A Mastermind With A Vision. He was a dude who made a film patterned off crap he loved-cheap sci-fi serials & movies.
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Post by merh on Apr 13, 2019 14:52:26 GMT
adam driver still a class act and gave his best performance possible, never blasted fans if they hated it, rare in hollyweird Driver was in the HBO show "Girls" therefore he is scum. He was excellent in Silence.
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Post by oftrollorigins on Apr 13, 2019 17:26:43 GMT
Driver was in the HBO show "Girls" therefore he is scum. He was excellent in Silence. I think he’s one of the bright spots in the new trilogy. He’s a conflicted villain which makes him more interesting.
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Post by swimm on Apr 13, 2019 17:38:35 GMT
He was excellent in Silence. I think he’s one of the bright spots in the new trilogy. He’s a conflicted villain which makes him more interesting. I don't think conflicted villians make good main villains in a trilogy...The stakes don't really seem all that high.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 21:19:04 GMT
Literally nobody in the world who critiques films for a living agrees with that opinion.
I doubt that. Anyway, the critics ratings of The Last Jedi is so far removed from what audiences thought of the film they're hardly worth referencing as indicative of the films quality.
The Last Jedi was more popular with audiences than any of the prequels: www.cinemascore.com/publicsearch/index/title/c3RhciA=
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 21:21:01 GMT
Lol but that's because there was only one Star Wars movie. You know like when the movie Breakin' came out, it was called 'Breakin'. But then Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo came out so the original became refered to as "Breakin' 1". But I call Star Wars the first & I am queried as to whether I mean Phantom Menace or A New Hope. I still see it as Star Wars 1, but no it's technically #4 while what I see as #4 is #1. An really, Lucas is a whiney bitch who tucked his tail between his legs & didn't finish the set sooner because the critics were mean to him (like they are to all successful moviemakers). We should have proceeded with the sequels while the original cast was young enough, then moved into a Vader prequel. When the cast was younger they wouldn't have done a 4th Star Wars film for any amount of money in the world. Especially not Harrison Ford.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 21:46:17 GMT
I doubt that. Anyway, the critics ratings of The Last Jedi is so far removed from what audiences thought of the film they're hardly worth referencing as indicative of the films quality.
The Last Jedi was more popular with audiences than any of the prequels: www.cinemascore.com/publicsearch/index/title/c3RhciA=
Where as on RT, the audience preferred Attack of the Clones over The Last Jedi.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 21:54:44 GMT
Where as on RT, the audience preferred Attack of the Clones over The Last Jedi.
Yeah the difference is that Cinemascore is an actual industry polling of audience reaction, and RT audience score is a meaningless volunteer survey.
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Post by audiosane on Apr 13, 2019 22:00:30 GMT
About freaking time we got Lando in the sequel trilogy. Disney waited until after the Big 3 were dead (in one way or another) to finally invite Lando. If Carrie was still with us, I wouldn't be surprised if Lando was left out of the entire trilogy.
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Post by SciFive on Apr 13, 2019 22:14:55 GMT
About freaking time we got Lando in the sequel trilogy. Disney waited until after the Big 3 were dead (in one way or another) to finally invite Lando. If Carrie was still with us, I wouldn't be surprised if Lando was left out of the entire trilogy. This last movie was supposed to be about her. She requested it and they said "Yeah!!"
She passed away in real life, unfortunately.
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