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Post by merh on Apr 13, 2019 22:50:43 GMT
About freaking time we got Lando in the sequel trilogy. Disney waited until after the Big 3 were dead (in one way or another) to finally invite Lando. If Carrie was still with us, I wouldn't be surprised if Lando was left out of the entire trilogy. So Disney didn't get their hands on it until 2012. Why didn't George Lucas make it in all this time? Disney dove in pretty much as soon as they possessed it. So they bought it in October 2012 & had a director selected within 4 months. I REALLY don't get this hate for Disney.
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Post by merh on Apr 13, 2019 23:02:58 GMT
I doubt that. Anyway, the critics ratings of The Last Jedi is so far removed from what audiences thought of the film they're hardly worth referencing as indicative of the films quality.
The Last Jedi was more popular with audiences than any of the prequels: www.cinemascore.com/publicsearch/index/title/c3RhciA= See. Critics were a pain back then. It looks like the first movies werent scored until 1982 so the first 2 Star Wars movies pre-date the system. Sell out! so much for power to the people.
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Post by Lux on Apr 13, 2019 23:19:03 GMT
Disney Star Wars has been the biggest "troll job" ever. From the hiring of Lena Dunham's boyfriend Adam Driver to the shockingly unqualified Lucasfilm storygroup of fanfiction bloggers to Lfl employees fighting with fans on Twitter about pansexual Lando. He (played) Lena Dunham's boyfriend in that shit show he wasn't really her boyfriend, think of him as a male prostitute getting paid to shag her if that helps.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 23:51:23 GMT
See. Critics were a pain back then. It looks like the first movies werent scored until 1982 so the first 2 Star Wars movies pre-date the system. Sell out! so much for power to the people. It's the gold standard by which studios judge audience reaction. The Last Jedi is the only Star Wars film with universal critical acclaim and it has an 'A' Cinemascore. The Force Awakens also had an 'A' Cinemascore and had the highest critical acclaim other than TLJ. I think the haters have gotten a far too amplified megaphone. Objective information suggests the films are very well received. Every 'normal' person I know absolutely loved both movies and think they're way better than the dour prequels. The only ones who bash the new trilogy are these 3 groups: 1. Alt-right activists. They hate it because of the inclusive casting. Nothing more. Every other complaint they have is just fabricated to justify their bigotry. 2. Old die-hard SW fans who built it up so much and were never going to be satisfied no matter what was made. 3. Millennials who grew up on the prequels and loved them as kids.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 13, 2019 23:52:38 GMT
Think I'll watch The Last Jedi tonight!
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Post by aillas55 on Apr 14, 2019 1:19:52 GMT
Yet they have been so much better made than the prequel trilogy. The incompetence on display in those movies at times was astonishing.
The prequel trilogy was far more watchable.
Nonsense. In nearly every way that films are normally critiqued, the prequels - except for ROTS - are poor movies.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 14, 2019 3:28:27 GMT
See. Critics were a pain back then. It looks like the first movies werent scored until 1982 so the first 2 Star Wars movies pre-date the system. Sell out! so much for power to the people.It's the gold standard by which studios judge audience reaction. The Last Jedi is the only Star Wars film with universal critical acclaim and it has an 'A' Cinemascore. The Force Awakens also had an 'A' Cinemascore and had the highest critical acclaim other than TLJ. I think the haters have gotten a far too amplified megaphone. Objective information suggests the films are very well received. Every 'normal' person I know absolutely loved both movies and think they're way better than the dour prequels. The only ones who bash the new trilogy are these 3 groups: 1. Alt-right activists. They hate it because of the inclusive casting. Nothing more. Every other complaint they have is just fabricated to justify their bigotry. 2. Old die-hard SW fans who built it up so much and were never going to be satisfied no matter what was made. 3. Millennials who grew up on the prequels and loved them as kids. 4. People who realize the new movies are dogshit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 4:06:39 GMT
It's the gold standard by which studios judge audience reaction. The Last Jedi is the only Star Wars film with universal critical acclaim and it has an 'A' Cinemascore. The Force Awakens also had an 'A' Cinemascore and had the highest critical acclaim other than TLJ. I think the haters have gotten a far too amplified megaphone. Objective information suggests the films are very well received. Every 'normal' person I know absolutely loved both movies and think they're way better than the dour prequels. The only ones who bash the new trilogy are these 3 groups: 1. Alt-right activists. They hate it because of the inclusive casting. Nothing more. Every other complaint they have is just fabricated to justify their bigotry. 2. Old die-hard SW fans who built it up so much and were never going to be satisfied no matter what was made.
3. Millennials who grew up on the prequels and loved them as kids. 4. People who realize the new movies are dogshit. Nah you're just #2.
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Post by audiosane on Apr 14, 2019 9:03:50 GMT
Disney waited until after the Big 3 were dead (in one way or another) to finally invite Lando. If Carrie was still with us, I wouldn't be surprised if Lando was left out of the entire trilogy. So Disney didn't get their hands on it until 2012. Why didn't George Lucas make it in all this time? Disney dove in pretty much as soon as they possessed it. So they bought it in October 2012 & had a director selected within 4 months. I REALLY don't get this hate for Disney. What's your point? Disney made TFA and TLJ but waited until TROS to include Lando, after the Big 3 was "killed off".
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Post by papamihel on Apr 14, 2019 9:17:28 GMT
It unfair that people are so happy to see him and yet most didn't even notice the return of no less than 12 stormtroopers from the first trilogy in episode 7.
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Post by merh on Apr 14, 2019 10:17:02 GMT
So Disney didn't get their hands on it until 2012. Why didn't George Lucas make it in all this time? Disney dove in pretty much as soon as they possessed it. So they bought it in October 2012 & had a director selected within 4 months. I REALLY don't get this hate for Disney. What's your point? Disney made TFA and TLJ but waited until TROS to include Lando, after the Big 3 was "killed off". Lando is more Han associated Killing Han off in TFA made Lando less likely to show up, don't you think? Lando betrayed Han. Lando looks out for Lando. I loved that point was made clear in Solo. Lando has likely been "in retirement" & thus not someone Leia would be in regular contact with.
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Post by darkramk on Apr 14, 2019 12:49:41 GMT
I can appreciate your grievance.
I cut him a bit of slack about the initial ordering on the basis that the stories were not a franchise when that decision was made, no one predicted it was going to be a big deal and the amount of backstory that must have existed from the very beginning of the first film makes it a decision I personally don't hold against him too much.
I know it's a heresy, but George Lucas is not a particularly good writer. Don't get me wrong, I'm never going to write anything that blows up like that...but some of his narrative decisions are just not very good. One of the first draft character names was 'Starkiller' which changed to 'Skywalker'...which (again, I'll never be famous for knowing better) was a bad idea he didn't realize till he started collaborating with writers who had much better instincts and more talent. ESB is often regarded as the best of the originals...I think that's because Lucas didn't direct it or write the screenplay.
I call myself a fan in the sense that I had the toys when I was a kid, dressed up as various characters for Halloween over the years and owned copies of the movies in various formats. I enjoy a number of genres, but I don't 'do' conventions, cosplay and group stuff...it's just not my thing. There's a certain threshold where passive entertainment becomes an active past-time that creeps me out. I'll do a dinner/movie party...that's as far as I get into stuff like this as an adult.
And if it makes you feel any better, I think there are too many fricken Marvel movies a year too.
I'm an old gal eyeballing retirement in less than 2 yrs (government grunt-99% of my pay. Yeah!). When I was a child, tv was Batman, Wild Wild West, Man From UNCLE, Star Trek, Dark Shadows-fantasy. Hell, regular comedy shows like Gilligan's Island & Lucy Show would throw in some alien jokes. Then the 70s-my teen years-drought. Here's one fantasy show in the middle of 10 cop dramas. Movies same. I would buy books that discussed the horror/fantasy flicks I never expected to see (remember VCRs were the 80s). I LOVE ALL THE STUFF WE GET NOW. I don't care how crappy it might be, if it is successful, we might get others. I don't like Nolan, but we got the MCU out of Hollywood's devotion to making endless Batman movies (I prefer Burton's). Oh my goodness, all the horror now. We used to get some stuff around Halloween, & they are usually cheap enough to make the straight to video market boomed in the 80s. All those rent one/get one coupons when all else failed, the 2nd would be some horror film because they could be so-bad-its-good. Star Wars wasn't artsy fartsy high concept. It was commonly referred to as a popcorn flick. Lucas went from admitting it was fun fluff to suddenly be A Mastermind With A Vision. He was a dude who made a film patterned off crap he loved-cheap sci-fi serials & movies. Good for you.
Don't worry, there will be no shortage of material in the future to spend time watching instead of finding something more useful.
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Post by Zos on Apr 14, 2019 13:00:34 GMT
Never seen one all the way through, saw the first Star trek movie though and that wasn't very good. Too many kids films and super hero stuff about now, when did they stop making films for grown ups?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 15:34:26 GMT
The prequel trilogy was far more watchable.
Nonsense. In nearly every way that films are normally critiqued, the prequels - except for ROTS - are poor movies. I never said they weren't poor movies.
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Post by audiosane on Apr 14, 2019 21:41:36 GMT
What's your point? Disney made TFA and TLJ but waited until TROS to include Lando, after the Big 3 was "killed off". Lando is more Han associated Killing Han off in TFA made Lando less likely to show up, don't you think? Lando betrayed Han. Lando looks out for Lando. I loved that point was made clear in Solo. Lando has likely been "in retirement" & thus not someone Leia would be in regular contact with. Lando is more Han associated
Killing Han off in TFA made Lando less likely to show up, don't you think?And yet Lando showed up two films later anyway. Kinda works against your point, don't you think? Plus, Lando was more than just Han's old friend. He became a good friend of the old gang. Lando betrayed Han.
Lando looks out for Lando.
I loved that point was made clear in Solo.Han put Lando in a bad situation in the first place by bringing the Empire to his door. He did what he had to do to protect his people. Lando still stuck his neck out to rescue Leia and the others, which allowed them to save Luke and Han. Lando is the unsung hero of Episode V. So, no, Lando doesn't just look out for Lando. He's not the same person he was in Solo. Add on 30+ years. Lando has likely been "in retirement" & thus not someone Leia would be in regular contact with.Retirement or not, Lando should've been there. The others were. Only now, at the end, after the others are gone, do they decide to finally give Lando his due. SMH.
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Post by thekindercarebear on Apr 15, 2019 21:20:14 GMT
so...why is it called the rise of skywalker? i'm so confused.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 16, 2019 9:50:07 GMT
Never seen one all the way through, saw the first Star trek movie though and that wasn't very good. Too many kids films and super hero stuff about now, when did they stop making films for grown ups? When the adults turned into overgrown babies
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Post by thekindercarebear on Apr 19, 2019 19:52:26 GMT
spoilers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you guys hear palpatine makes his way back for IX?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 20:11:26 GMT
Unless they retcon it, Luke's a force ghost. That's horseshit. They missed the big chance to have Luke follow in his fathers footsteps. That's what's wrong with the new Star Wars.. their villains suck. ..Darth Vader casts a long shadow. villains suck because they maintain them being white dudes.
If they're going to push for this diversity issue which they are, then that has to carry over to the villians as well.
Because otherwise it just feels like an agenda. But they can't because all females and minorites have to be presented in a positive light only. Hence the flaws in the way that they do things, you see?
And ya captain PHasma, I know, i'm talking about the main villains.
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Post by hiraganakanji on Apr 19, 2019 20:25:19 GMT
That's horseshit. They missed the big chance to have Luke follow in his fathers footsteps. That's what's wrong with the new Star Wars.. their villains suck. ..Darth Vader casts a long shadow. villains suck because they maintain them being white dudes.
If they're going to push for this diversity issue which they are, then that has to carry over to the villians as well.
Because otherwise it just feels like an agenda. But they can't because all females and minorites have to be presented in a positive light only. Hence the flaws in the way that they do things, you see?
And ya captain PHasma, I know, i'm talking about the main villains.
How the Fuck was Finn shown in positive light. Also to me Death Vader was black guy. When they took this hamlet off and he was white I was so sad as kid.
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