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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 15, 2019 19:19:09 GMT
I am happy to see so many people realizing the Jon Snow character is stupid. Even one of the writers in the epilogue said something to the effect of, "Jon Snow isn't the sharpest tack in the box." When I first brought this up last year many posters objected. i don’t recall anyone saying he’s known for his intelligence. He is the driven by passion and knowledge but not wisdom. I said Sansa was far smarter and I got way more hate as I probably will even now.
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Post by lordarvidthexiii on Apr 15, 2019 20:28:30 GMT
I was a big fan of the website, 'Finish the book, George' before the creator stopped updating. Even before the tv series came out, it was obvious Martin was losing interest in the series. Each book became longer, added more tangential characters, and became less focused than the last. The guy became addicted to conventions, often going on numerous ones instead of writing. He also loves doing way too many side projects, like all the books he edits. Actually reminded me of Robert Jordan - the Wheel of Time books started focused, you were waiting on sequels and you had an end in sight. Then each progressive book got more convoluted and covered a shorter span of time (I remember book 7 or so... I finished it and realized the plot covered two days. TWO DAYS. 800+ pages.) Then is became a decalogy... then 13 books... then Jordan died and Sanderson had to finish it. (Which he did with aplomb but still.) But Jordan's problems were unexpected and he REALLY went out of his way to make sure the series could be finished. He always had his fans in mind. Whereas Martin... the guy started acting dickish when fans inevitably continued to ask when the next book would be coming (after the series left the book plot behind). I get that Martin owes no one anything, but he only got where he is because of the book fans. Didn't take him long to forget that. "I get that Martin owes no one anything, but he only got where he is because of the book fans. Didn't take him long to forget that." I never agree with this sentiment. Humans are a communal species, and we need to share what we have learned or accomplished. Inventing the cure for cancer but not sharing it does the world no good. It is only in the sharing that these things become valuable. If Martin didn't want to owe his fans anything, he never should have published.
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Post by THawk on Apr 15, 2019 20:53:55 GMT
Yep. If it was without sex and extreme violence, it'd be just another "loser fantasy" show in people's eyes. But because it has the """"adult"""" content it's cool, edgy and even mandatory viewing.
It's really sad and pathetic how society thinks.
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Post by THawk on Apr 15, 2019 21:06:51 GMT
There is more boobs and sex in the average midnight commercials on TV here. Not even worth mentioning imho. Boobs are one thing, but there is nothing more awkward than watching Game of Thrones with your parents and Littlefinger goes on a soliloquy while two lesbian prostitutes lick each other's bums. Yep. That's the thing really. You don't have to watch entertainment with family, but if the material makes it so that even adults would be embarrassed to be watching it together, I don't exactly see how it helps society, which is already more divided and isolated and depressed than ever before in human history.
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Post by MichaelNYC on Apr 15, 2019 21:08:41 GMT
I love the dynamic between the Greyjoy siblings, Yara and Theon. Yara, after being tortured and hogtied by her cousin, greets rescuing brother Theon with a powerful head-butt, I suppose to remind him of how she risked life and limb to save him once and he rebuffed her efforts.
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Post by Liberal-Fondue-Party on Apr 15, 2019 21:12:41 GMT
Boobs are one thing, but there is nothing more awkward than watching Game of Thrones with your parents and Littlefinger goes on a soliloquy while two lesbian prostitutes lick each other's bums. Yep. That's the thing really. You don't have to watch entertainment with family, but if the material makes it so that even adults would be embarrassed to be watching it together, I don't exactly see how it helps society, which is already more divided and isolated and depressed than ever before in human history. As an adult viewer watching on my own or with a SO, it's fine. But I sincerely hope incest, rapes and orgies isn't standard commercial viewing in Europe
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 16, 2019 4:00:43 GMT
I love the dynamic between the Greyjoy siblings, Yara and Theon. Yara, after being tortured and hogtied by her cousin, greets rescuing brother Theon with a powerful head-butt, I suppose to remind him of how she risked life and limb to save him once and he rebuffed her efforts. Well, he ran away and left her to die last season.
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Post by Marv on Apr 16, 2019 4:11:23 GMT
I can’t really comment on trends shifting. As far back as I can think there have been popular ‘nerdy’ shows. I mean Star Wars and Star Trek we’re popular well before I was born. I think if anything had changed it’s just societies general acceptance of others. But I don’t even feel qualified to make that statement.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 16, 2019 6:05:44 GMT
Ok for years people who loved stuff like DD and Elder Scrolls were looked at like geeks. Now everyone and their sister is watching GoT and thinking it is great. While I have nothing negative to say about the show. It is just odd how popular trends shift. I wonder what causes it, is it just like new people finding out about a great Ice cream that hippers (lol) have known about for years. Or is a change in society. Snowball effect. It's pretty random. People have been discussing "a change in society" for thousands of years. GoT is popular because it is essentially a soap opera. It gives people a wide choice of favourite characters, so they get more engaged because an identification process takes place until they decide whom to "root" for.
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Post by Winter_King on Apr 16, 2019 11:27:28 GMT
That's because it rarely happens. Most of the heroes in western fiction are white and they succeed more often than not. Even in Game of Thones which has basically three main characters: Jon Snow, Danaerys Targaryen and Tyrion Lannister. All three are white. What you object is having white characters with flaws. Since Mary/Gary Stus are poorly written protagonists, they aren't as common in fiction. And that's a good thing. Here we go again. I am not even going to bother to check how in line those male characters are to a Robin Hood etc...There are many types of flaws. Overconfidence, laziness, cowardice etc. Chances are the flaws with those characters are well beyond Hamlet feeling doubts about whether he can carry out his mission to redeem his father. There is no variation in these depictions. The white male is always seriously flawed unless he is a wimp. In Pirates of the Caribbean 4, the Christian Errol Flynn-type character is introduced tied to a ship mast--he spends most of the film as a prisoner-and his only act of initiative is to free a mermaid so she can drag his dying self underwater. Meanwhile the Obama-type Spanish ruler is shown to be authoritative and successful.
What is with this obsession with Robin Hood? He's not the only heroic prototype of Western hero. And again, your claim of white male failure is never discussed was addressed with the fac that most heroes in Western fiction are usually white, male and they succeed more often than not. You didn't address this issue. Again having flaws, doesn't mean they are failures. It just means they aren't Mary Sues. I didn't say she was a positive role model and I find her hair color to be irrelevant to the discussion. I only said she was white and was arguably one of the main characters of GoT.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 16, 2019 12:02:16 GMT
Plenty of GoT games now, cardgames and boardgames. Several are quite popular and very good. I've heard that the boardgame is pretty good. I myself have the Risk version of Game of Thrones which has a map of Westeros for five person game, a map of Essos for a two player game and you can combine both maps if one is playing with six other players. I play this all the time with the family. We are in the middle of a game right now. My two daughters and I use all the characters and the full two boards on three player games now. Crazy long games.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 16, 2019 12:04:19 GMT
I was one of the first Game of Thrones fanboys, and one of the first to move on to other things. I LOVED the first book when it came out. Many people don't know when the first book came out it was marketed as a new trilogy. I think it was sometime after the second book came out that it turned out that Martin was not going to be able to wrap it up in three books. The second book was good too, but started to spread things out and introduce more new characters that I didn't really care too much about. Things were becoming diluted. I enjoyed the third book but when the forth came out I was no longer interested. I think I read half of it and didn't even finish it. I rented the HBO series from the library and tried to get into it.. not my cup of blood. I'm watching Shameless right now and really enjoying that. This is not necessarily true. When he started writing, the story was much different. Jon and Arya were a couple, for instance. He was going to do a trilogy like Lord of the Rings, but he outlined almost the entire story before the first book was written and decided long before it was published that it would not be a trilogy.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 16, 2019 12:06:06 GMT
"Being good" is rarely the reason for such a sensational popularity. There are much better shows which lasted 2 or 3 seasons and never achieved a fraction of GoT's fan-base. Name 5, please. I know, right. How about name one.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 16, 2019 12:08:37 GMT
Not sure about 5 but Rome, Deadwood and Carnivale most definitely. I have seen all of these shows. Deadwood and Rome I watched three times a piece. Fantastic shows that do not hold a candle to Game of Thrones. How is Rome better than Game of Thrones in any way? I love Rome, but the acting got cheesy at times and the battle and fight scenes were AWFUL. Game of Thrones has better writing, better acting, better production values, etc. Also, as much as I love Deadwood and westerns in general, the show is kind of aimless. I actually just watched it again last month. Nothing happens for three seasons, really. Sure, it is tremendously acted and the production is so well done, but every episode is just a day in the life of these characters and never really goes anywhere.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 16, 2019 12:10:53 GMT
Yep. If it was without sex and extreme violence, it'd be just another "loser fantasy" show in people's eyes. But because it has the """"adult"""" content it's cool, edgy and even mandatory viewing. It's really sad and pathetic how society thinks. Said from someone who has either never seen it or is an idiot. Which one are you?
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Post by movieliker on Apr 16, 2019 13:16:21 GMT
I love the dynamic between the Greyjoy siblings, Yara and Theon. Yara, after being tortured and hogtied by her cousin, greets rescuing brother Theon with a powerful head-butt, I suppose to remind him of how she risked life and limb to save him once and he rebuffed her efforts. Well, he ran away and left her to die last season. I think Yara and Arya are my two favorite characters.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Apr 16, 2019 15:12:05 GMT
I was one of the first Game of Thrones fanboys, and one of the first to move on to other things. I LOVED the first book when it came out. Many people don't know when the first book came out it was marketed as a new trilogy. I think it was sometime after the second book came out that it turned out that Martin was not going to be able to wrap it up in three books. The second book was good too, but started to spread things out and introduce more new characters that I didn't really care too much about. Things were becoming diluted. I enjoyed the third book but when the forth came out I was no longer interested. I think I read half of it and didn't even finish it. I rented the HBO series from the library and tried to get into it.. not my cup of blood. I'm watching Shameless right now and really enjoying that. This is not necessarily true. When he started writing, the story was much different. Jon and Arya were a couple, for instance. He was going to do a trilogy like Lord of the Rings, but he outlined almost the entire story before the first book was written and decided long before it was published that it would not be a trilogy. Perhaps he knew all along in his mind that it would not be a trilogy, but the first printing of the first book said 'Book one of exciting new fantasy trilogy' or something like that on it. It said 'trilogy' on the actual book. So, up till finishing the end of the second book I thought I was reading a trilogy. Turns out it will take him seven books to get to the massive battle scenes that will be the predictable climax.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Apr 16, 2019 15:13:21 GMT
Yep. If it was without sex and extreme violence, it'd be just another "loser fantasy" show in people's eyes. But because it has the """"adult"""" content it's cool, edgy and even mandatory viewing. It's really sad and pathetic how society thinks. Said from someone who has either never seen it or is an idiot. Which one are you? Holy shit bro.. try not to get too emotionally invested. Getting angry because someone says 'That show you like sucks' is something immature children do.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 16, 2019 15:17:28 GMT
This is not necessarily true. When he started writing, the story was much different. Jon and Arya were a couple, for instance. He was going to do a trilogy like Lord of the Rings, but he outlined almost the entire story before the first book was written and decided long before it was published that it would not be a trilogy. Perhaps he knew all along in his mind that it would not be a trilogy, but the first printing of the first book said 'Book one of exciting new fantasy trilogy' or something like that on it. It said 'trilogy' on the actual book. So, up till finishing the end of the second book I thought I was reading a trilogy. Turns out it will take him seven books to get to the massive battle scenes that will be the predictable climax. Really? That is crazy. I just got a great book last week that was about the history of Game of Thrones. It went through Martin's entire life from when he was a child to now. It went over every phase of the book writing process and how it turned into a show. In there it discussed what I wrote earlier about the trilogy. It was a great read. I actually learned a lot about Game of Thrones I did not know and I thought I knew it all. One interesting tidbit that most on here do not know is what he gave to Beinoff and Weis when they caught up to the books. Most people know the story of them meeting with Martin and getting an outline of the rest of the story. What they do not know if that Martin actually wrote three scenes for the show and gave them all to them then. Three big moments, he called them. One was the Littlefinger dying scene, one was the Shireen burning at the stake scene, and one is a scene that will be in Season 8 so we do not know. What I found interesting is this board and all of social media were up in arms about Shireen burning at the stake. They said the show jumped the shark and that Martin would never write that scene. It turns out he actually did write that scene exactly.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 16, 2019 15:18:29 GMT
Said from someone who has either never seen it or is an idiot. Which one are you? Holy shit bro.. try not to get too emotionally invested. Getting angry because someone says 'That show you like sucks' is something immature children do. So you call a show you have not seen trash and a loser show and call its viewers pathetic. I responded in kind.
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