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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 16, 2019 15:20:06 GMT
Said from someone who has either never seen it or is an idiot. Which one are you? Holy shit bro.. try not to get too emotionally invested. Getting angry because someone says 'That show you like sucks' is something immature children do. I apologize. Reading back on your post here it seems I misread it. Are you saying that it is popular because most viewers have a limited mind and see sex and violence and think "cool"? I can see that.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Apr 16, 2019 15:24:27 GMT
Perhaps he knew all along in his mind that it would not be a trilogy, but the first printing of the first book said 'Book one of exciting new fantasy trilogy' or something like that on it. It said 'trilogy' on the actual book. So, up till finishing the end of the second book I thought I was reading a trilogy. Turns out it will take him seven books to get to the massive battle scenes that will be the predictable climax. Really? That is crazy. I just got a great book last week that was about the history of Game of Thrones. It went through Martin's entire life from when he was a child to now. It went over every phase of the book writing process and how it turned into a show. In there it discussed what I wrote earlier about the trilogy. It was a great read. I actually learned a lot about Game of Thrones I did not know and I thought I knew it all. One interesting tidbit that most on here do not know is what he gave to Beinoff and Weis when they caught up to the books. Most people know the story of them meeting with Martin and getting an outline of the rest of the story. What they do not know if that Martin actually wrote three scenes for the show and gave them all to them then. Three big moments, he called them. One was the Littlefinger dying scene, one was the Shireen burning at the stake scene, and one is a scene that will be in Season 8 so we do not know. What I found interesting is this board and all of social media were up in arms about Shireen burning at the stake. They said the show jumped the shark and that Martin would never write that scene. It turns out he actually did write that scene exactly. That's all fine and good. My point was it was marketed as a trilogy at first. Glad you like it.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 16, 2019 15:30:37 GMT
One interesting tidbit that most on here do not know is what he gave to Beinoff and Weis when they caught up to the books. Most people know the story of them meeting with Martin and getting an outline of the rest of the story. What they do not know if that Martin actually wrote three scenes for the show and gave them all to them then. Three big moments, he called them. One was the Littlefinger dying scene, one was the Shireen burning at the stake scene, and one is a scene that will be in Season 8 so we do not know. What I found interesting is this board and all of social media were up in arms about Shireen burning at the stake. They said the show jumped the shark and that Martin would never write that scene. It turns out he actually did write that scene exactly. The show rode the dragon, but the books did too. Regarding Shireen, the debate is whether she will burn on Stannis' explicit orders in the books, which we cannot know yet and looks improbable since he is stuck in the snow before Winterfell while she, her mother and Melisandre are in Castle Black. The Stannis faction is especially butthurt at not having guessed that their hero was meant to be a loser like everyone else, or that he was simplified. The latter is understandable, book-Stannis is more differentiated and, surprisingly, one of the few not fully cartoonish characters. In the show, he really is just a harder Ned Stark, going down the same deserved way.
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 16, 2019 16:48:22 GMT
What is with this obsession with Robin Hood? He's not the only heroic prototype of Western hero. And again, your claim of white male failure is never discussed was addressed with the fac that most heroes in Western fiction are usually white, male and they succeed more often than not. You didn't address this issue. Again having flaws, doesn't mean they are failures. It just means they aren't Mary Sues.
The point is that Robin Hood is a well known Anglo-Saxon character-and the Flynn version remains popular to this day--and he has no flaws--does it hurt the story or the reception? Doesn't seem to. Bowen Tyler in The Land That Time Forgot is another such character.
We are evading the points again. A flawed character can be used to convey a message (like Ahab or Macbeth). But this is not what we are talking about. The characters in corporate media are flawed for no purpose other than to prevent a traditional heroic role model. It's unnatural and handicaps story development. There should be room for traditional heroes (a Flash Gordon, Doc Savage, Conan) and for whatever modern experimental styles that some decide to pursue. But these days there is no choice. If there were, people could find a modern equivalent for a 1938 Robin Hood character. But no one can because traditional storytelling ingredients are being suppressed.
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Post by Troyal1 on Apr 16, 2019 17:44:12 GMT
I was thinking the same thing today. It blows my mind how popular GoT is considering most post-pubescent men and nearly all women typically wouldn't touch the sword & sorcery genre with a 10 foot pole. The high production value, the HBO brand, and R-rated sex and violence, and most importantly the revenge-based soap opera. These all partially explain why it's popular, but nothing explains why it's this popular. I can explain it. It’s the first tv show where you can’t distinguish between movie and tv show. Throughout our history we have always had to chose. For example, we could have had a Harry Potter tv show in the early 2000’s. Which would give more time in terms of character development. But that comes at the sacrifice of the big special effects a film can provide amd huge Hollywood names. Now we are in a age where TV and streaming is more popular than going to the theater. Why watch a game of thrones movie when you can have 10 episode seasons with amazing effects just as good? So GOT provides people with an amazing adult fantasy right from home. For the first time.
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Post by THawk on Apr 16, 2019 18:26:42 GMT
Holy shit bro.. try not to get too emotionally invested. Getting angry because someone says 'That show you like sucks' is something immature children do. So you call a show you have not seen trash and a loser show and call its viewers pathetic. I responded in kind. I saw the first season and a half.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 16, 2019 18:57:22 GMT
To quote the Great Man: “never seen it.”
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Post by hiraganakanji on Apr 16, 2019 19:34:57 GMT
Thanks for all the insight everyone, it is neat to see different POVs. Still sucks no girl wanted to play DD with me in highs school.. but how everyone loves this stuff (LOL).
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