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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 2:37:09 GMT
*sigh* 6/10 A poor episode with garbage can writing. But I keep it positive because of what Miguel Sapochnik achieved here is truly impressive: he is truly going to be the star of this final season, and the individual who will make it watchable. This amounts to saying that the shit pie was well seasoned. No thanks. I mean, pretty much. Although I was pleasantly very surprised by tonight’s episode. Return to somewhat classic Thrones, almost complete opposite of what we got last week.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 6, 2019 5:54:10 GMT
This amounts to saying that the shit pie was well seasoned. No thanks. I mean, pretty much. Although I was pleasantly very surprised by tonight’s episode. Return to somewhat classic Thrones, almost complete opposite of what we got last week. Now, there's a surprising comment. I am past hoping for anything to make sense, though and I know I would hate the ending anyway unless they've stolen mine.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 6:10:09 GMT
I mean, pretty much. Although I was pleasantly very surprised by tonight’s episode. Return to somewhat classic Thrones, almost complete opposite of what we got last week. Now, there's a surprising comment. I am past hoping for anything to make sense, though and I know I would hate the ending anyway unless they've stolen mine. there’s some silly stuff, such as Dany not being able to spot a fleet of Greyjoys despite being from the perfect vantage point (on top her dragon.) Lil’ stuff like that, but nothing close to like last week or Beyond the Wall. Are you planning on viewing this season or nah?
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Post by movieliker on May 6, 2019 6:22:17 GMT
To me this episode 4 (season 8) was better than last week's. I thought last week's episode was largely disappointing.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 6, 2019 6:58:47 GMT
Now, there's a surprising comment. I am past hoping for anything to make sense, though and I know I would hate the ending anyway unless they've stolen mine. there’s some silly stuff, such as Dany not being able to spot a fleet of Greyjoys despite being from the perfect vantage point (on top her dragon.) Lil’ stuff like that, but nothing close to like last week or Beyond the Wall. Are you planning on viewing this season or nah? I'm not watching it, no. Never saw S7 either. I know the stuff from recaps, reviews, discussions and the occasional selected bits I choose to watch. So I watched the ending to see Theon get dispatched and Arya fall on the Night King, I saw the whole Loot Train Attack in S7 for the fun factor (it was nonsense already) and the death of Viserion because I wanted to watch reactors choke on it. I'll watch Daenerys die for the same reason. I guess it will be at the end of next episode.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 8, 2019 0:22:56 GMT
10 out of 10. Quite frankly, I've never seen some of the things they did in that episode. Not on TV, not in movies. Dragons fighting dragons in the sky with riders on them. Undead falling from the sky in droves. Hundreds upon hundreds of extras in costume with weapons fighting, and fire all over the place. Movie level FX on a TV show. Epic and Huge!
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 8, 2019 3:45:18 GMT
10 out of 10. Quite frankly, I've never seen some of the things they did in that episode. Not on TV, not in movies. Dragons fighting dragons in the sky with riders on them. Undead falling from the sky in droves. Hundreds upon hundreds of extras in costume with weapons fighting, and fire all over the place. Movie level FX on a TV show. Epic and Huge! Dumb fool likes flashy stuff it seems. It doesn't need to make sense… Idiot confirmed.
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Post by Morgana on May 8, 2019 13:20:50 GMT
I took your advice and watched it again and it was better than before. Thanks. I would just like to talk about the battle plan though. What was with sending off the Dothraki horde into the darkness? That made no sense. The dragons were under used - they should have been sent in first, to do all the damage they could, as well as letting off the flaming rocks, or whatever they were. That would have made a lot more sense, but I feel the directors went for the Dothraki for the effect it would have on us, the viewers, to see the lights go out. In my opinion that's not a proper reason for a lack of common sense. Oh, and what was with Bran? I was kind of hoping he might conjure up a horde of forest folk to help in the battle but it seems that all he did was fly around as ravens. The dragons have never been used more than this episode and for multiple plausible purposes. At what point in time would it have been a good time to use the Dothraki? Should they have had a Calvary inside the castle? I think it’s ok to have the episode not to live up to what one wanted but not by using illogical reasons My reasons weren't illogical. It made no sense for the Dothraki to just ride off into darkness. What would have made more sense is if they waited for the walkers to come to them, or better yet, first have the dragons do as much damage as possible first. The dragons may have been used more than in any other episode but the way they were used wasn't optimal for a battle. Two dragons against one and they still couldn't win? The NK's dragon did so much damage to the castle and it's inhabitants - where were the other two dragons?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 8, 2019 13:47:06 GMT
The dragons have never been used more than this episode and for multiple plausible purposes. At what point in time would it have been a good time to use the Dothraki? Should they have had a Calvary inside the castle? I think it’s ok to have the episode not to live up to what one wanted but not by using illogical reasons My reasons weren't illogical. It made no sense for the Dothraki to just ride off into darkness. What would have made more sense is if they waited for the walkers to come to them, or better yet, first have the dragons do as much damage as possible first. The dragons may have been used more than in any other episode but the way they were used wasn't optimal for a battle. Two dragons against one and they still couldn't win? The NK's dragon did so much damage to the castle and it's inhabitants - where were the other two dragons? Barely any of the battle made sense. I used to love stories of medieval siege and warfare as a kid, so I know why but this is dissected in detail here:
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 8, 2019 15:25:38 GMT
The dragons have never been used more than this episode and for multiple plausible purposes. At what point in time would it have been a good time to use the Dothraki? Should they have had a Calvary inside the castle? I think it’s ok to have the episode not to live up to what one wanted but not by using illogical reasons My reasons weren't illogical. It made no sense for the Dothraki to just ride off into darkness. What would have made more sense is if they waited for the walkers to come to them, or better yet, first have the dragons do as much damage as possible first. The dragons may have been used more than in any other episode but the way they were used wasn't optimal for a battle. Two dragons against one and they still couldn't win? The NK's dragon did so much damage to the castle and it's inhabitants - where were the other two dragons? a Calvary can do one of two things: 1. Ride off into the darkness 2. Nothing and wait for the things in the darkness to overrun them anyway. The dragons were the thing they thought they could use to kill the NK. Even so it is ifficially dishonest to say the dragons didn’t do enough. Your only issue is they weren’t the first thing used which is silly. They are the king and queen of their respective groups and they are the ones that are going to the frontline? Not likely. Further they knew both the NK and the Walkers could kill the dragons and there were only 2 of them. What if the Walkers were at the front of the line? Once again people need to quit pretending this was supposed to be anything resembling a fair battle and deal with the reality that the story constantly and repeatedly discussed killing the NK as the only option and everyone was willing to do their part to succeed at that goal.
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Post by movieliker on May 8, 2019 15:52:22 GMT
My reasons weren't illogical. It made no sense for the Dothraki to just ride off into darkness. What would have made more sense is if they waited for the walkers to come to them, or better yet, first have the dragons do as much damage as possible first. The dragons may have been used more than in any other episode but the way they were used wasn't optimal for a battle. Two dragons against one and they still couldn't win? The NK's dragon did so much damage to the castle and it's inhabitants - where were the other two dragons? a Calvary can do one of two things: 1. Ride off into the darkness 2. Nothing and wait for the things in the darkness to overrun them anyway. The dragons were the thing they thought they could use to kill the NK. Even so it is ifficially dishonest to say the dragons didn’t do enough. Your only issue is they weren’t the first thing used which is silly. They are the king and queen of their respective groups and they are the ones that are going to the frontline? Not likely. Further they knew both the NK and the Walkers could kill the dragons and there were only 2 of them. What if the Walkers were at the front of the line? Once again people need to quit pretending this was supposed to be anything resembling a fair battle and deal with the reality that the story constantly and repeatedly discussed killing the NK as the only option and everyone was willing to do their part to succeed at that goal. I disagree. Instead of searching for the Night King --- Dany, Jon and the dragons should have been torching the Army of the Dead, and waiting for the Night King to reveal himself. The Dothraki never should have charged all the way across the field. The troops never should have charged to begin with. They had a castle. They should have waited for the Army of the Dead to come to them. The Army of the Dead were completely stopped by the lighted trenches. That was when they were most vulnerable. And nobody did anything there. Major missed opportunity.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 8, 2019 16:14:00 GMT
a Calvary can do one of two things: 1. Ride off into the darkness 2. Nothing and wait for the things in the darkness to overrun them anyway. The dragons were the thing they thought they could use to kill the NK. Even so it is ifficially dishonest to say the dragons didn’t do enough. Your only issue is they weren’t the first thing used which is silly. They are the king and queen of their respective groups and they are the ones that are going to the frontline? Not likely. Further they knew both the NK and the Walkers could kill the dragons and there were only 2 of them. What if the Walkers were at the front of the line? Once again people need to quit pretending this was supposed to be anything resembling a fair battle and deal with the reality that the story constantly and repeatedly discussed killing the NK as the only option and everyone was willing to do their part to succeed at that goal. I disagree. Instead of searching for the Night King --- Dany, Jon and the dragons should have been torching the Army of the Dead, and waiting for the Night King to reveal himself. The Dothraki never should have charged all the way across the field. The troops never should have charged to begin with. They had a castle. They should have waited for the Army of the Dead to come to them. The Army of the Dead were completely stopped by the lighted trenches. That was when they were most vulnerable. And nobody did anything there. Major missed opportunity. they were clearly not stopped by the fire trenches lol. I’ll stop there since at this point in time I think you’re just joking around.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 8, 2019 16:19:36 GMT
they were clearly not stopped by the fire trenches lol. I’ll stop there since at this point in time I think you’re just joking around. The fire trenches slowed them down. They stopped, then started to build bridges with themselves, then went over them like through bottlenecks in a way that left the bulk of the army more vulnerable to dragon fire than ever. The "battle plan" was a complete succession of nonsensical moves designed only to provide spectacle.
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Post by movieliker on May 8, 2019 16:23:48 GMT
I disagree. Instead of searching for the Night King --- Dany, Jon and the dragons should have been torching the Army of the Dead, and waiting for the Night King to reveal himself. The Dothraki never should have charged all the way across the field. The troops never should have charged to begin with. They had a castle. They should have waited for the Army of the Dead to come to them. The Army of the Dead were completely stopped by the lighted trenches. That was when they were most vulnerable. And nobody did anything there. Major missed opportunity. they were clearly not stopped by the fire trenches lol. I’ll stop there since at this point in time I think you’re just joking around. You are clearly in the minority here Cool. Maybe not on these boards. But if you Google "battle strategy - Game of Thrones" you will see link after link of criticism of the battle strategy deployed in this episode 3 season 8.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 8, 2019 16:29:24 GMT
10 out of 10. Quite frankly, I've never seen some of the things they did in that episode. Not on TV, not in movies. Dragons fighting dragons in the sky with riders on them. Undead falling from the sky in droves. Hundreds upon hundreds of extras in costume with weapons fighting, and fire all over the place. Movie level FX on a TV show. Epic and Huge! Dumb fool likes flashy stuff it seems. It doesn't need to make sense… Idiot confirmed.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 8, 2019 16:51:32 GMT
they were clearly not stopped by the fire trenches lol. I’ll stop there since at this point in time I think you’re just joking around. You are clearly in the minority here Cool. Maybe not on these boards. But if you Google "battle strategy - Game of Thrones" you will see link after link of criticism of the battle strategy deployed in this episode 3 season 8. If true I guarantee it’s on the basis of a winning strategy without any regard to a zombie attack or even numbers. There is no way to have a singular battle strategy. Any battle that has been done strictly by the book was on the basis of numbers. I am basing it on the story which is something you desperately choose to ignore for some reason. They literally said there’s no way they can win this unless they kill the NK. To have dragons out front, the army crammed in the castle, and the zombies climbing the wall would have been a greater suicide mission. The Walkers would have simply concentrated on the dragons which they could kill plus have the zombie dragon all while blitzing the wall with a zombie horde. The battle was completely and totally unwinnable even before they realized how truly Immense the army was.
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Post by movieliker on May 8, 2019 17:01:54 GMT
You are clearly in the minority here Cool. Maybe not on these boards. But if you Google "battle strategy - Game of Thrones" you will see link after link of criticism of the battle strategy deployed in this episode 3 season 8. If true I guarantee it’s on the basis of a winning strategy without any regard to a zombie attack or even numbers. There is no way to have a singular battle strategy. Any battle that has been done strictly by the book was on the basis of numbers. I am basing it on the story which is something you desperately choose to ignore for some reason. They literally said there’s no way they can win this unless they kill the NK. To have dragons out front, the army crammed in the castle, and the zombies climbing the wall would have been a greater suicide mission. The Walkers would have simply concentrated on the dragons which they could kill plus have the zombie dragon all while blitzing the wall with a zombie horde. The battle was completely and totally unwinnable even before they realized how truly Immense the army was. The video Leo the Redkeep just posted talks about numbers. Why don't you watch it?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 8, 2019 17:14:47 GMT
If true I guarantee it’s on the basis of a winning strategy without any regard to a zombie attack or even numbers. There is no way to have a singular battle strategy. Any battle that has been done strictly by the book was on the basis of numbers. I am basing it on the story which is something you desperately choose to ignore for some reason. They literally said there’s no way they can win this unless they kill the NK. To have dragons out front, the army crammed in the castle, and the zombies climbing the wall would have been a greater suicide mission. The Walkers would have simply concentrated on the dragons which they could kill plus have the zombie dragon all while blitzing the wall with a zombie horde. The battle was completely and totally unwinnable even before they realized how truly Immense the army was. The video Leo the Redkeep just posted talks about numbers. Why don't you watch it? i don’t watch videos normally since it isn’t convenient but what would the video explain that can’t be typed?
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Post by movieliker on May 8, 2019 17:55:12 GMT
The video Leo the Redkeep just posted talks about numbers. Why don't you watch it? i don’t watch videos normally since it isn’t convenient but what would the video explain that can’t be typed? Many things. It addresses the difference in numbers between the troops defending Winterfell and the Army of the Dead. It discusses the lack of logic of putting all the troops defending Winterfell outside the walls of the castle. It discusses the poor use of the dragons. It discusses the poor use of weapons. It discusses the disparity between the weapons and equipment used by the troops defending Winterfell and the Army of the Dead. It discusses the poor use of the castle as an offensive and defensive weapon. Why did Winterfell just put troops on one side of the castle? Why did the Army of the Dead just attack the side with defending troops? Why not circle Winterfell and attack on all sides? You must have data restrictions preventing you from watching videos. Otherwise . . .
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 8, 2019 18:04:26 GMT
i don’t watch videos normally since it isn’t convenient but what would the video explain that can’t be typed? Many things. It addresses the difference in numbers between the troops defending Winterfell and the Army of the Dead. It discusses the lack of logic of putting all the troops defending Winterfell outside the walls of the castle. It discusses the poor use of the dragons. It discusses the poor use of weapons. It discusses the disparity between the weapons and equipment used by the troops defending Winterfell and the Army of the Dead. It discusses the poor use of the castle as an offensive and defensive weapon. Why did Winterfell just put troops on one side of the castle? Why did the Army of the Dead just attack the side with defending troops? Why not circle Winterfell and attack on all sides? You must have data restrictions preventing you from watching videos. Otherwise . . . It has nothing to do with data restriction and more to do with time. I can read faster than I can watch a video and especially if the video is saying stupid stuff like this one appears to. Again, if they don’t have numbers the analysis doesn’t matter and we know they don’t have true numbers.
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