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Post by goz on May 13, 2019 7:19:25 GMT
NWAP It is really sad that the whole point of this thread and its ramifications went entire over your head, and you didn't read the links. Educate yourself. What is sad is your assumptions and imaginations. Can't even say you to educate yourself because you are delusional. NWAR
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Post by Stammerhead on May 13, 2019 8:17:57 GMT
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Post by Isapop on May 13, 2019 12:14:18 GMT
You and I could say that, but it wouldn't matter. My first post here was just one question: Do we know of any high level Catholic leaders denouncing this? What matters is whether he is called out by his peers and by the Vatican. If any highly placed Catholic official chooses to denounce a public statement, it will be easy to find out because it will be done publicly. That's the point of a denunciation - to make sure everyone knows that you condemn the statement.Condemning the anti-Semitism of a mob, while necessary, doesn't carry weight if the Vatican tolerates it when one of their high level clergy in his official capacity PROMOTES anti-Semitism.
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Post by goz on May 13, 2019 21:10:52 GMT
If any highly placed Catholic official chooses to denounce a public statement, it will be easy to find out because it will be done publicly. That's the point of a denunciation - to make sure everyone knows that you condemn the statement.Condemning the anti-Semitism of a mob, while necessary, doesn't carry weight if the Vatican tolerates it when one of their high level clergy in his official capacity PROMOTES anti-Semitism.
OK. I hereby denote you official researcher for the Vatican's view on the situation in Poland, with special reference to Easter 2019. Without getting access to Polish sites and speaking Polish it is surprisingly difficult to fnid much out about these incidents. AGAIN, the Jewish side wants to promote outrage and the Polish wish to cover it up. How many times do I have to repeat this? BTW of interest is the fact that Jewish/Polish relations have slipped back since the retirement of the Polish Pope who went out of his way to find common ground en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II_and_Judaismwww.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/pope-john-paul-ii-relations-with-jews-and-israelDid I mention complex issues?
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Post by Isapop on May 13, 2019 22:35:53 GMT
If any highly placed Catholic official chooses to denounce a public statement, it will be easy to find out because it will be done publicly. That's the point of a denunciation - to make sure everyone knows that you condemn the statement.Condemning the anti-Semitism of a mob, while necessary, doesn't carry weight if the Vatican tolerates it when one of their high level clergy in his official capacity PROMOTES anti-Semitism.
OK. I hereby denote you official researcher for the Vatican's view on the situation in Poland, with special reference to Easter 2019. Without getting access to Polish sites and speaking Polish it is surprisingly difficult to fnid much out about these incidents. If and when any high level Catholic leaders denounce the bishops remarks, I confidently predict you won't have to speak Polish to find out about it. You think the Jewish press should not have reported the remarks because doing so is promoting outrage? The story is not about some anti-Semitic comments overheard in a bar. The Diocese of Tarnów (according to my official research) has over a million people, 99.5% of whom are Catholic. "According to Church statistics, it is the most religious diocese in Poland, with 72.5% weekly Mass attendance."(wiki) And the bishop is their top spiritual leader. And he used his Easter address to deliver his anti-Semitic message to the crowd. No reasonable person could find fault in reporting this. Any media outlet concerned with Jewish/Polish relations would be derelict in NOT reporting it. In a complex environment, this incident has a stark simplicity. A powerful Catholic clergyman delivered an inflammatory anti-Semitic sermon to his large flock. The Jewish press rightly and dutifully reported it. And the rest of us wait to see if (and how) the Vatican and other high level Catholic leaders respond.
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Post by goz on May 14, 2019 2:13:36 GMT
OK. I hereby denote you official researcher for the Vatican's view on the situation in Poland, with special reference to Easter 2019. Without getting access to Polish sites and speaking Polish it is surprisingly difficult to fnid much out about these incidents. If and when any high level Catholic leaders denounce the bishops remarks, I confidently predict you won't have to speak Polish to find out about it. You think the Jewish press should not have reported the remarks because doing so is promoting outrage? The story is not about some anti-Semitic comments overheard in a bar. The Diocese of Tarnów (according to my official research) has over a million people, 99.5% of whom are Catholic. "According to Church statistics, it is the most religious diocese in Poland, with 72.5% weekly Mass attendance."(wiki) And the bishop is their top spiritual leader. And he used his Easter address to deliver his anti-Semitic message to the crowd. No reasonable person could find fault in reporting this. Any media outlet concerned with Jewish/Polish relations would be derelict in NOT reporting it. In a complex environment, this incident has a stark simplicity. A powerful Catholic clergyman delivered an inflammatory anti-Semitic sermon to his large flock. The Jewish press rightly and dutifully reported it. And the rest of us wait to see if (and how) the Vatican and other high level Catholic leaders respond. I am posting this from another thread. It re-enforces my claim that what this particular Bishop said is not an isolated incidence and the Polish Catholic church persists in apologetics and playing the blame game about its paedophilia. It also seems that the chances of a full apology either from the polish Catholics or the Vatican would be less and less likely. It also shows that his remarks are not a single voice butt have some traction in the Polish Catholic community which obviously suffers from 'lack of competition' in that most of the population is Catholic. They obviously think they can say and do what they like with few consequences. It is also not wise for the Jews and Israel in particular to use this defensive action from the Catholic Church to further their own agenda of Polish cooperation with the Nazis. Tit for tat.
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Post by Aj_June on May 14, 2019 11:09:57 GMT
If and when any high level Catholic leaders denounce the bishops remarks, I confidently predict you won't have to speak Polish to find out about it. You think the Jewish press should not have reported the remarks because doing so is promoting outrage? The story is not about some anti-Semitic comments overheard in a bar. The Diocese of Tarnów (according to my official research) has over a million people, 99.5% of whom are Catholic. "According to Church statistics, it is the most religious diocese in Poland, with 72.5% weekly Mass attendance."(wiki) And the bishop is their top spiritual leader. And he used his Easter address to deliver his anti-Semitic message to the crowd. No reasonable person could find fault in reporting this. Any media outlet concerned with Jewish/Polish relations would be derelict in NOT reporting it. In a complex environment, this incident has a stark simplicity. A powerful Catholic clergyman delivered an inflammatory anti-Semitic sermon to his large flock. The Jewish press rightly and dutifully reported it. And the rest of us wait to see if (and how) the Vatican and other high level Catholic leaders respond. I am posting this from another thread. It re-enforces my claim that what this particular Bishop said is not an isolated incidence and the Polish Catholic church persists in apologetics and playing the blame game about its paedophilia. It also seems that the chances of a full apology either from the polish Catholics or the Vatican would be less and less likely. It also shows that his remarks are not a single voice butt have some traction in the Polish Catholic community which obviously suffers from 'lack of competition' in that most of the population is Catholic. They obviously think they can say and do what they like with few consequences. It is also not wise for the Jews and Israel in particular to use this defensive action from the Catholic Church to further their own agenda of Polish cooperation with the Nazis. Tit for tat. None of what you posted proves or reinforces your point. Although it only reinforces that you been wrong all along. That Catholic Church leaders also put false allegations on feminists & divorced people doesn't prove that the OP's article was a pissing contest or full of religious bigotry or that there are valid causes for Catholic Church to say these things.
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Post by Isapop on May 14, 2019 12:20:46 GMT
If and when any high level Catholic leaders denounce the bishops remarks, I confidently predict you won't have to speak Polish to find out about it. You think the Jewish press should not have reported the remarks because doing so is promoting outrage? The story is not about some anti-Semitic comments overheard in a bar. The Diocese of Tarnów (according to my official research) has over a million people, 99.5% of whom are Catholic. "According to Church statistics, it is the most religious diocese in Poland, with 72.5% weekly Mass attendance."(wiki) And the bishop is their top spiritual leader. And he used his Easter address to deliver his anti-Semitic message to the crowd. No reasonable person could find fault in reporting this. Any media outlet concerned with Jewish/Polish relations would be derelict in NOT reporting it. In a complex environment, this incident has a stark simplicity. A powerful Catholic clergyman delivered an inflammatory anti-Semitic sermon to his large flock. The Jewish press rightly and dutifully reported it. And the rest of us wait to see if (and how) the Vatican and other high level Catholic leaders respond. I am posting this from another thread. It re-enforces my claim that what this particular Bishop said is not an isolated incidence and the Polish Catholic church persists in apologetics and playing the blame game about its paedophilia. OK. If your position now is that the bishop's remarks are another example of the Polish Church looking for scapegoats in the sex abuse scandal, I wouldn't dispute that. It bears no resemblance to your previous characterization, and it's a relief to see you've abandoned that one.I wouldn't dispute that either. I wonder if Catholics on this board think the bishop should suffer no consequences from his superiors?And I think it's positively bonkers to suppose that a virulently anti-Semitic sermon from a major Polish clergyman would do anything but reinforce suspicions of Polish cooperation with the Nazis.
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Post by goz on May 14, 2019 22:11:52 GMT
I am posting this from another thread. It re-enforces my claim that what this particular Bishop said is not an isolated incidence and the Polish Catholic church persists in apologetics and playing the blame game about its paedophilia. It also seems that the chances of a full apology either from the polish Catholics or the Vatican would be less and less likely. It also shows that his remarks are not a single voice butt have some traction in the Polish Catholic community which obviously suffers from 'lack of competition' in that most of the population is Catholic. They obviously think they can say and do what they like with few consequences. It is also not wise for the Jews and Israel in particular to use this defensive action from the Catholic Church to further their own agenda of Polish cooperation with the Nazis. Tit for tat. None of what you posted proves or reinforces your point. Although it only reinforces that you been wrong all along. That Catholic Church leaders also put false allegations on feminists & divorced people doesn't prove that the OP's article was a pissing contest or full of religious bigotry or that there are valid causes for Catholic Church to say these things. No, I proved that factually there were two sides to this story.
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