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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 10, 2019 15:40:49 GMT
Is Watchmen that much more violent than films like Taken, the Bourne series, the later Bonds? Hell yeah, it was! It was incredibly gory. Go back and re-visit it. Those have nothing on Watchmen. Aren't you a stone cold atheist who thinks all believers are a bunch of knuckleheads? Also kinda weird to have a mystic character like Doctor Orpheus from The Venture Bros. for an avatar.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 14, 2019 0:15:31 GMT
Scorsese strikes back, calling the ongoing franchise an invasion. The man is not backing down.
Cue the Tom Petty memes.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 14, 2019 6:10:14 GMT
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Post by sostie on Oct 14, 2019 11:09:57 GMT
It's not all hate (though that is a strong word to describe his opinion
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 14, 2019 11:32:55 GMT
How long before Summers8 starts to claim peoples opinions are objective and Truth can be determined from them?
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Post by dazz on Oct 14, 2019 14:28:45 GMT
This just shows how deeply ignorant and fucking stupid you are, he isn't slamming the MCU but blockbuster franchises, which is claims is forcing smaller movies and "cinema" out of the movie theatres, keep in mind the MCU at MOST has produced all of 3 films a year for the past 3 years, otherwise it has produced mostly 2 films per year for the last decade, how is 2 films a year forcing out smaller films en mass from the movie theatres? you fucking troglodyte.
Also poor old Marty is clearly just lashing out all butt hurt over major studios not wanting to bankroll his latest film, which he blames the blockbusters for, which is dumb given the reason studios pulled out wasn't due to lack of theatre space but the ever expanding budget, no movie studio is going to bankroll a $150+m Scorsese movie as even his most successful movie adjusted for inflation tallies up to only about $450m, studio don't want to risk $100+m to only get back pennies on the dollar ROI, it isn't because of the MCU or franchise movies but Scorsese not thinking finances, a common issue with great artist, but still he's just pitching a fit for the wrong reason because of ignorance, I mean when Netflix agreed to make the movie they only offered $125m for it, Scorsese over shot his budget by over 25% and that's after making cuts, he was initially given $150m by multiple distributors/studios but the budget ballooned then which cause international investors to say fuck this and that made the domestic financers say fuck it also, it has nothing to do with the MCU or franchise movies, Marty just wanted to play with blockbuster money when he doesn't bring in that revenue to justify it, this cinematic bullshit is just his ego making excuses for that.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 14, 2019 14:34:11 GMT
This just shows how deeply ignorant and fucking stupid you are, he isn't slamming the MCU but blockbuster franchises, which is claims is forcing smaller movies and "cinema" out of the movie theatres, keep in mind the MCU at MOST has produced all of 3 films a year for the past 3 years, otherwise it has produced mostly 2 films per year for the last decade, how is 2 films a year forcing out smaller films en mass from the movie theatres? you fucking troglodyte.
Also poor old Marty is clearly just lashing out all butt hurt over major studios not wanting to bankroll his latest film, which he blames the blockbusters for, which is dumb given the reason studios pulled out wasn't due to lack of theatre space but the ever expanding budget, no movie studio is going to bankroll a $150+m Scorsese movie as even his most successful movie adjusted for inflation tallies up to only about $450m, studio don't want to risk $100+m to only get back pennies on the dollar ROI, it isn't because of the MCU or franchise movies but Scorsese not thinking finances, a common issue with great artist, but still he's just pitching a fit for the wrong reason because of ignorance, I mean when Netflix agreed to make the movie they only offered $125m for it, Scorsese over shot his budget by over 25% and that's after making cuts, he was initially given $150m by multiple distributors/studios but the budget ballooned then which cause international investors to say fuck this and that made the domestic financers say fuck it also, it has nothing to do with the MCU or franchise movies, Marty just wanted to play with blockbuster money when he doesn't bring in that revenue to justify it, this cinematic bullshit is just his ego making excuses for that.
He's just mad the New Hollywood era is a thing of the past.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 14, 2019 15:34:09 GMT
How long before Summers8 starts to claim peoples opinions are objective and Truth can be determined from them? You mean he wasn't already before?
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 14, 2019 16:02:30 GMT
How long before Summers8 starts to claim peoples opinions are objective and Truth can be determined from them? You mean he wasn't already before? As the Nolan? Not with the same fervor yet. Noticed he's starting to not use capital letters?
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Post by dazz on Oct 14, 2019 16:56:06 GMT
This just shows how deeply ignorant and fucking stupid you are, he isn't slamming the MCU but blockbuster franchises, which is claims is forcing smaller movies and "cinema" out of the movie theatres, keep in mind the MCU at MOST has produced all of 3 films a year for the past 3 years, otherwise it has produced mostly 2 films per year for the last decade, how is 2 films a year forcing out smaller films en mass from the movie theatres? you fucking troglodyte.
Also poor old Marty is clearly just lashing out all butt hurt over major studios not wanting to bankroll his latest film, which he blames the blockbusters for, which is dumb given the reason studios pulled out wasn't due to lack of theatre space but the ever expanding budget, no movie studio is going to bankroll a $150+m Scorsese movie as even his most successful movie adjusted for inflation tallies up to only about $450m, studio don't want to risk $100+m to only get back pennies on the dollar ROI, it isn't because of the MCU or franchise movies but Scorsese not thinking finances, a common issue with great artist, but still he's just pitching a fit for the wrong reason because of ignorance, I mean when Netflix agreed to make the movie they only offered $125m for it, Scorsese over shot his budget by over 25% and that's after making cuts, he was initially given $150m by multiple distributors/studios but the budget ballooned then which cause international investors to say fuck this and that made the domestic financers say fuck it also, it has nothing to do with the MCU or franchise movies, Marty just wanted to play with blockbuster money when he doesn't bring in that revenue to justify it, this cinematic bullshit is just his ego making excuses for that.
He's just mad the New Hollywood era is a thing of the past. I think he's pissy because he isn't getting preferential treatment, he's also insane if he thinks it's all due to the franchises pushing out "cinema", I mean maybe he would have more venues if the movie wasn't 3 1/2 hours long in the first place? but nah you know cant hold himself accountable at all must be all dem damn theme park movies bah gum.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 17, 2019 18:28:35 GMT
New update. He probably got a call from some legitimate associates of Mr. Feige. Yeah see, a little friendly warning. Capiche?
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Now Martin Scorsese has clarified his statement with fresh context, during a press conference for his new film at the BFI London Film Festival.
"What has to be protected is the singular experience of experiencing a picture, ideally with an audience. But there's room for so many others now, and so many other ways. There's going to be crossovers, completely. The value of a film that's like a theme park film. For example, the Marvel-type pictures, where the theaters become amusement parks, that's a different experience. I was saying earlier, it's not cinema, it's something else. Whether you go for that or not."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 19:02:09 GMT
New update. He probably got a call from some legitimate associates of Mr. Feige. Yeah see, a little friendly warning. Capiche?
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Now Martin Scorsese has clarified his statement with fresh context, during a press conference for his new film at the BFI London Film Festival.
"What has to be protected is the singular experience of experiencing a picture, ideally with an audience. But there's room for so many others now, and so many other ways. There's going to be crossovers, completely. The value of a film that's like a theme park film. For example, the Marvel-type pictures, where the theaters become amusement parks, that's a different experience. I was saying earlier, it's not cinema, it's something else. Whether you go for that or not."
I for one don't understand why the MCU's taking the flack when Hollywood's never been short of franchises before. Well, not actually never, but over the last 50 years? Starting with the James Bonds, the Star Wars', the Star Treks....how many are ongoing right now? The X-Men have been doing their thing since 2000, Batman film stretches come in spurts, Superman had 4 movies from the 70's till the 90's, there's umpteen Harry Potters and their Fantastic Beasts spinoffs. The DCEU is trying to do what the MCU was doing (all but confirming the pursuit of shared world building and interspersed sequels as a template). Star Trek, rebooted, Star Wars, rebooted (twice), there's six Mission Impossible films (I don't know if it was rebooted or just continued but 3 of them are from this decade). There's a new Terminator coming out, which totals 6, 8 Fast and the Furious movies and now a spin-off, there's the interspersed Aliens and Predator movies and Alien/Predator movies, hell they even booted up an already lengthy Planet of the Apes franchise.
I'll bet dollars to donuts there's another Jason Bourne down the line. Hunger Games is done but it was a player. The Divergent series and Maze Runners, the Twilights.
It's not because writers and directors are falling over themselves to do MCU. The landscape has changed. No matter how good a movie is, a good movie is just that, one good movie. One good movie is one movie. No matter the quality, one movie can't compete with the earning power of 6 or 7 movies, especially if the 6 or 7 movies are anywhere from average to good themselves. That's what I think is partially going on. Studio execs look at a movie and they either see one movie or they see multiple movies. Ain't likely to be a There Will Be Blood 2, but a superhero with a rogues gallery could be half a dozen movies down the line.
My answer's still the same. Don't blame movie-goers, blame the studios for weaning out quality movies from movies (quality or other) with franchise potential. Theaters charge 15 dollars for a regular seat, more if you elect IMAX or 3D (which a lot of films are being filmed to accommodate), and charge your right arm for popcorn and drinks. Netflix, Amazon, all the streaming services are reaching out to auteurs because studios aren't making much room for them, and the proof of that is the auteurs are reaching back. I criticized Serenity for being a just okay movie, not bad but not going out of its way to be good either, starring Matthew Mcconaughey and Anne Hathaway (two, count em two Oscar winners) and the proof is in the pudding because Anne Hathaway signed on for an Amazon original. Probably to flex her acting muscles because studio scripts ain't cutting it as much and she wants to act.
I've probably wrote too much but the point is if Scorsese is doubling down then so am I.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 17, 2019 19:15:02 GMT
Scorsese strikes back, calling the ongoing franchise an invasion. The man is not backing down.
Cue the Tom Petty memes.
Marty's a clever one. Think of how much free press this is generating for The Irishman.
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Post by darkpast on Sept 2, 2020 4:35:37 GMT
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Post by hobowar on Sept 2, 2020 4:43:04 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Aug 5, 2021 13:19:35 GMT
James Gunn speaks his piece: "I just think it seems awful cynical that he would keep coming out against Marvel and then that is the only thing that would get him press for his movie," the filmmaker pondered. "So he just kept coming out against Marvel so that he could get press for his movie. He’s creating his movie in the shadow of the Marvel films, and so he uses that to get attention for something he wasn’t getting as much attention as he wanted for it." Gunn was quick, however, to make it clear he has no personal animosity with Scorsese and can even relate to where he's coming from...to an extent. "He’s one of the greatest filmmakers who’s ever existed. I love his movies. I can watch his movies with no problem. And he said a lot of things I agree with. There are a lot of things that are true about what he said. There are a lot of heartless, soulless, spectacle films out there that don’t reflect what should be happening." www.comicbookmovie.com/suicide_squad/the_suicide_squad/the-suicide-squad-director-james-gunn-on-why-martin-scorsese-is-wrong-about-superhero-movies-not-being-cinema-a186998#gs.88np03
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Post by onethreetwo on Aug 5, 2021 14:26:22 GMT
James Gunn speaks his piece: "I just think it seems awful cynical that he would keep coming out against Marvel and then that is the only thing that would get him press for his movie," the filmmaker pondered. "So he just kept coming out against Marvel so that he could get press for his movie. He’s creating his movie in the shadow of the Marvel films, and so he uses that to get attention for something he wasn’t getting as much attention as he wanted for it." Gunn was quick, however, to make it clear he has no personal animosity with Scorsese and can even relate to where he's coming from...to an extent. "He’s one of the greatest filmmakers who’s ever existed. I love his movies. I can watch his movies with no problem. And he said a lot of things I agree with. There are a lot of things that are true about what he said. There are a lot of heartless, soulless, spectacle films out there that don’t reflect what should be happening." www.comicbookmovie.com/suicide_squad/the_suicide_squad/the-suicide-squad-director-james-gunn-on-why-martin-scorsese-is-wrong-about-superhero-movies-not-being-cinema-a186998#gs.88np03Was he though? Or were reporters asking him about Marvel? I suspect they were and he was giving his honest thoughts. Gunn is wrong here. Scorsese is one of only a few directors that can sell a movie on his name alone.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Aug 5, 2021 15:52:51 GMT
I think, it is cenematic.
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Post by pennypacker on Aug 5, 2021 16:49:00 GMT
James Gunn speaks his piece: "I just think it seems awful cynical that he would keep coming out against Marvel and then that is the only thing that would get him press for his movie," the filmmaker pondered. " So he just kept coming out against Marvel so that he could get press for his movie. He’s creating his movie in the shadow of the Marvel films, and so he uses that to get attention for something he wasn’t getting as much attention as he wanted for it."This is such a stupid take I'm actually embarrassed to have tickets for his movie tonight. Good grief.
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Post by Lux on Aug 6, 2021 23:38:50 GMT
James Gunn speaks his piece: "I just think it seems awful cynical that he would keep coming out against Marvel and then that is the only thing that would get him press for his movie," the filmmaker pondered. " So he just kept coming out against Marvel so that he could get press for his movie. He’s creating his movie in the shadow of the Marvel films, and so he uses that to get attention for something he wasn’t getting as much attention as he wanted for it."This is such a stupid take I'm actually embarrassed to have tickets for his movie tonight. Good grief. Then sell the tickets on eBay. James is speaking idiot the only language Martin Scorsese understands, you should be thanking James Gunn.
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