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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 21:20:12 GMT
This to me looks sad and really out of the blue. When it comes to fast food Marvel junk, his one and only film in the genre is near the top of the list. His Fantastic 4 is what happens with the kind of licensing deals studios make. Fox had to make a Fantastic 4 movie or surrender the rights to use the characters back to Marvel. It's not the fan's fault. It's not even Josh Trank's fault, but it's a little rich to throw stones and stand behind real cinema when he's done two films and one is terrible. I've yet to meet anyone who genuinely likes it. To its credit, I liked the performance by the actor who played Ben Grimm, but I had to really stretch to find any redeemable qualities. I thought he was the only actor who wasn't miscast.
Josh Trank is really burning out. I feel sorry for him. I liked Chronicle. Chronicle was an interesting rebuttal to the trope that people just become superheroes when they get powers. Why did nobody think of this before? If you've been bullied all your life and are suddenly endowed with powers, your loyalty is still to yourself. It was an interesting film about the dark side of using your powers.
Moving on, yeah, I have no idea what the MCU did to him. He threw his own product under the bus. Word on the street is Fox threw their weight around with him on the set (which, to be fair, is really not the first time a studio's ever interfered) and yeah, it won't be the first or the last time. He seems like he's coming from a hurt place and I don't wish him extra pain, but it's kind of rich to trot out "I care about cinema" with his filmography. Who's he trying to kid? I know he's in pain but I have better things to do than let his pain roll over what I like.
Incidentally, welcome back.
MCU has nothing to do with Fant4stic. Agreed. Nothing at all. Completely wrong target.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 28, 2019 21:32:27 GMT
MCU has nothing to do with Fant4stic. Agreed. Nothing at all. Completely wrong target. Does he have something coming out that he needs to get his name out there so people can talk about him? Oh an Al Capone movie that probably won't come out. Maybe that's why he's siding with the guy that does crime dramas. He might be going against the MCU in general because it's popular and a target for what happened with Fant4stic. I mean, Fox isn't really there anymore for him to target his hate. And since Marvel is under Disney, he can point that hate towards them because he knows he isn't gonna get work with them because of what happened with Star Wars.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 28, 2019 21:45:49 GMT
Because they're the most popular films nowadays. If it was Twilight series that was getting this much popularity, then I can assure you that just about every single filmmakers would start trashing the series - and rightfully so, because those films are actually terrible. Also, the fact that you're trying to validate your claim by citing an unprofessional @$$ who took his rage out on casts and crews is quite hilarious. Who are you going to cite next? Friedberg/Seltzer? Wrong. They were popular between 2006-2014 as well when the genre was respected with movies like Batman Begins, Avengers, Dark Knight Rises and First class. Now all you have is 1 studio dominating with their theme park kid friendly movies so of course Scorsese and the others would say something now and not 6 years ago. Trank is just the latest amongst Hollywood artists so im citing him, even moreso that hes been involved in the comic book genre with Chronicle and Fan4stic and is still ripping marvel studios. That should tell you a lot. Now mcu cultists have driven him off twitter by probably giving him death threats,no surprises there
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Post by charzhino on Nov 28, 2019 21:48:31 GMT
No they are not better scabab, the last 10 years of mcu movies have been a disgrace, why do you think Scorsese is singling out these theme park movies now and not 10 years ago lmao They've been far better, since the MCU started in 2008, we've had Punisher Warzone, X-men Origins Wolverine, Ghost Rider 2, The Amazing Spider-man 2, Fantastic Four, X-men Apocalypse, Venom and Dark Phoenix which have all been worse than the worst MCU movie which is probably Thor Dark World. They'd be singled out now because they've become such a dominate force in the industry, before they did well but they used to just be other big movies amongst the crowd. Now pretty much every one of these MCU is enormous, five out of the last six movies have made over a billion. They overshadow other movies, this year 3 out of the 4 biggest movies have been MCU movies. Last year the two biggest movies were MCU movies. Looks like you didnt take in Martys comments. They make money because they are themepark movies. The fact a crappy movie like Captain marvel can make a billion should prove it to you
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 21:53:21 GMT
Agreed. Nothing at all. Completely wrong target. Does he have something coming out that he needs to get his name out there so people can talk about him? Oh an Al Capone movie that probably won't come out. Maybe that's why he's siding with the guy that does crime dramas. He might be going against the MCU in general because it's popular and a target for what happened with Fant4stic. I mean, Fox isn't really there anymore for him to target his hate. And since Marvel is under Disney, he can point that hate towards them because he knows he isn't gonna get work with them because of what happened with Star Wars. No I checked. There's like two credits linked to him on IMDb but they don't even have dates.
Also, that's what I'm saying too. His only two films deal with people with powers, but he's going to cozy up to real cinema as an abstract ally? Who's he trying to impress?
Yeah. He has a chip on his shoulder and won't let it go, so he has to give his old enemy a new face just to say what's on his mind. I'll wager half the comments he's running from on twitter are people pointing out the MCU and his Fant4stic aren't even related.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 28, 2019 21:58:37 GMT
This to me looks sad and really out of the blue. When it comes to fast food Marvel junk, his one and only film in the genre is near the top of the list. His Fantastic 4 is what happens when studios make the kind of deals they do. Fox had to make a Fantastic 4 movie or surrender the rights to use the characters back to Marvel. It's not the fan's fault. It's not even Josh Trank's fault, but it's a little rich to throw stones and stand behind real cinema when he's done two films and one is terrible. I've yet to meet anyone who genuinely likes it. To its credit, I liked the performance by the actor who played Ben Grimm, but I had to really stretch to find any redeemable qualities. I thought he was the only actor who wasn't miscast. Fox screwed him around with constant interference and ruined any chance the movie had of suceeding when they got tjat stupid hack Kinberg to co-direct. The first act of the movie was good but after the time jump its a totally different movie and you can clearly notice. Trank isnt throwing any stones hes simply giving an opinion that the first 5 minutes of Irishman has more depth than the entire MCU. I dont necessarily fully agree with that but he obviously cares a lot about cinema and is strong willed enough to come out and say it. The idea for chronicle was good and novel but i dislike found footage movies. [/div]
Incidentally, welcome back. [/quote] He doesnt need a solid filmography for his opinion to carry any more weight. Its a domino effect after the first person decided to publicy out MCU movies and others had the courage to step forward. You can bet that more and more people will say the same thing in the next few months
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Post by scabab on Nov 28, 2019 22:04:33 GMT
They make money because they are themepark movies. The fact a crappy movie like Captain marvel can make a billion should prove it to you What's wrong with it being a theme park movie? Nobody ever claimed them to be any kind of cinematic masterpiece. They're just the modern day version of the old mindless action movies of the 80's and 90's like Rambo, Commando, the Die Hard and Lethal Weapon sequels, Passenger 57, Speed etc. Just fun popcorn movies that did well. Nothing serious or worth getting worked up over. A crappy movie like Rambo 2 made over $300 million back in 1985 in the same way.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 28, 2019 22:05:20 GMT
Because they're the most popular films nowadays. If it was Twilight series that was getting this much popularity, then I can assure you that just about every single filmmakers would start trashing the series - and rightfully so, because those films are actually terrible. Also, the fact that you're trying to validate your claim by citing an unprofessional @$$ who took his rage out on casts and crews is quite hilarious. Who are you going to cite next? Friedberg/Seltzer? Wrong. They were popular between 2006-2014 as well when the genre was respected with movies like Batman Begins, Avengers, Dark Knight Rises and First class. Now all you have is 1 studio dominating with their theme park kid friendly movies so of course Scorsese and the others would say something now and not 6 years ago. Trank is just the latest amongst Hollywood artists so im citing him, even moreso that hes been involved in the comic book genre with Chronicle and Fan4stic and is still ripping marvel studios. That should tell you a lot. Now mcu cultists have driven him off twitter by probably giving him death threats,no surprises there 2006 - 2014 was the best time for comic book films? This was the time when we've seen some disappointing films like X-Men: The Last Stand, Superman Returns, Spider-Man 3, Watchmen (to some extent), The Amazing Spider-Man, and Man of Steel. Even MCU still didn't find its solid footing at the time because Perlmutter was an insufferable @$$hat - just like you. And let's not forget films that were widely disliked or even hated like Fantastic Four: The Rise of Silver Surfer, Punisher: War Zone, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern, Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, and The Amazing Spider-Man 2. If anything, comic book films have seen a huge improvement since 2014 and the only reason why it's popular to trash MCU now is because it's one of the most dominant film franchises of today. Also, Josh Trank is a film artist?! This is an unprofessional hack who got into a fight with the studio and took it out on casts and crews and didn't even TRY to do his job properly. Since this is the guy who caused all those destruction on Fantastic Four series, can you really blame fans who would rightfully be angry at him (minus ones who actually resorted to death threats)?
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 28, 2019 22:06:37 GMT
This to me looks sad and really out of the blue. When it comes to fast food Marvel junk, his one and only film in the genre is near the top of the list. His Fantastic 4 is what happens when studios make the kind of deals they do. Fox had to make a Fantastic 4 movie or surrender the rights to use the characters back to Marvel. It's not the fan's fault. It's not even Josh Trank's fault, but it's a little rich to throw stones and stand behind real cinema when he's done two films and one is terrible. I've yet to meet anyone who genuinely likes it. To its credit, I liked the performance by the actor who played Ben Grimm, but I had to really stretch to find any redeemable qualities. I thought he was the only actor who wasn't miscast. Fox screwed him around with constant interference and ruined any chance the movie had of suceeding when they got tjat stupid hack Kinberg to co-direct. The first act of the movie was good but after the time jump its a totally different movie and you can clearly notice. Trank isnt throwing any stones hes simply giving an opinion that the first 5 minutes of Irishman has more depth than the entire MCU. I dont necessarily fully agree with that but he obviously cares a lot about cinema and is strong willed enough to come out and say it.
The idea for chronicle was good and novel but i dislike found footage movies. [/div]
Incidentally, welcome back. [/quote] He doesnt need a solid filmography for his opinion to carry any more weight. Its a domino effect after the first person decided to publicy out MCU movies and others had the courage to step forward. You can bet that more and more people will say the same thing in the next few months [/quote] Stop trying to shift the blame to someone else when Trank showed no respect to the source material in the first place.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 28, 2019 22:47:59 GMT
I know Day of X-men Retcon is supposed to be the last "good" X-Men movie, but for my money, it managed to be quite impressively dumb. No sweat *****, the more MCU fans dislike something, the better it actually is. Silly nitpick. Kittys time phasing powers may have been a bit random but they are insignificant to the plot and it gives her something to do. I woulda preferred if she was the one going back in time but wolverine was fine. Hey dont you love Captain marvel? Can you explain why feige suddenly made her the strongest avenger and ridiculously OP? Kitty phased consciousness' through time. If you really want to get technical then here. When kitty phases through walls, she is able to teleport her bodys atoms through the wall to bypass the nuclear repellent force that would stop her phasing. In other words she is momentarily entering the quantum world (as in Endgame) to phase through matter. If she's able to phase through a neural network of a brain, she could send that consciousness into the quantum realm and back in time. Your fretting too much on the mechanics when its not important to the plot. Go bak and watch Endgame where theres a myriad of over-complicated nonsense for time travel to work like time gps devices, quantum suits and pym particles lmao Trask used Mistiques DNA as a basis for the sentinels like stem cells. He then adapted it whilst combing Rogues abilties of power absorption (who in the Rogue cut is also being experimented on) to create super sentinels. Il tell you whats 10x more silly, the fact ionman can hold the gaunlet with all the gems at the end of endgame and not get instantly incinerated no because Magneto killing Nixon was known by anyone but young magneto himself. The original plan was for wolverine to go back in time and unite both Xavier and Magneto in friendship to stop Mistique. They want to avoid the bad future of mutant killing robots by NOT killing trask. The bad future happens because Mistique kills trask in public and Trasks sentinel programme gets green lit by government, when prior it was suspended. The act of Mistique assassinating Trask is what triggers the sentinels. Stop Mistique doing this and you stop the bad future....which is what happenz. Your Hitler apology is wrong. The rabbi would be sent back to stop Hitler ever getting into power in the first place. Hahahahah this is the best you got. Magneto knew he was fucked thats why he retired and disappeared to live a quiet life in Poland. He was still a wanted man so yeah the government was actively trying to hunt him down after DOFP. Nixon gave a pardon to mutants because he witnessed first hand that the good mutants were doing everything to stop Magneto. Remember this was the first time ever that mutants became had a visible appearance in public. Nixon went from fearing the unknown to trusting them because they nearly died trying to save his life.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 28, 2019 22:50:08 GMT
I know Day of X-men Retcon is supposed to be the last "good" X-Men movie, but for my money, it managed to be quite impressively dumb. No sweat *****, the more MCU fans dislike something, the better it actually is.Silly nitpick. Kittys time phasing powers may have been a bit random but they are insignificant to the plot and it gives her something to do. I woulda preferred if she was the one going back in time but wolverine was fine. Hey dont you love Captain marvel? Can you explain why feige suddenly made her the strongest avenger and ridiculously OP? Kitty phased consciousness' through time. If you really want to get technical then here. When kitty phases through walls, she is able to teleport her bodys atoms through the wall to bypass the nuclear repellent force that would stop her phasing. In other words she is momentarily entering the quantum world (as in Endgame) to phase through matter. If she's able to phase through a neural network of a brain, she could send that consciousness into the quantum realm and back in time. Your fretting too much on the mechanics when its not important to the plot. Go bak and watch Endgame where theres a myriad of over-complicated nonsense for time travel to work like time gps devices, quantum suits and pym particles lmao Trask used Mistiques DNA as a basis for the sentinels like stem cells. He then adapted it whilst combing Rogues abilties of power absorption (who in the Rogue cut is also being experimented on) to create super sentinels. Il tell you whats 10x more silly, the fact ionman can hold the gaunlet with all the gems at the end of endgame and not get instantly incinerated no because Magneto killing Nixon was known by anyone but young magneto himself. The original plan was for wolverine to go back in time and unite both Xavier and Magneto in friendship to stop Mistique. They want to avoid the bad future of mutant killing robots by NOT killing trask. The bad future happens because Mistique kills trask in public and Trasks sentinel programme gets green lit by government, when prior it was suspended. The act of Mistique assassinating Trask is what triggers the sentinels. Stop Mistique doing this and you stop the bad future....which is what happenz. Your Hitler apology is wrong. The rabbi would be sent back to stop Hitler ever getting into power in the first place. Hahahahah this is the best you got. Magneto knew he was fucked thats why he retired and disappeared to live a quiet life in Poland. He was still a wanted man so yeah the government was actively trying to hunt him down after DOFP. Nixon gave a pardon to mutants because he witnessed first hand that the good mutants were doing everything to stop Magneto. Remember this was the first time ever that mutants became had a visible appearance in public. Nixon went from fearing the unknown to trusting them because they nearly died trying to save his life. So Fant4stic is better than it actually is because just about every single MCU fans AND comics fans rightfully despise it? How does that even work?
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Post by charzhino on Nov 28, 2019 22:55:23 GMT
What's wrong with it being a theme park movie? Other than ruining the art motion pictures, monopolizing cinemas screens, brainwashing audiences and creating souless, recycled corporate junk... nothing Rambo 2 had practical effectz and high stakez. It didnt look like colourful, cheesy thempark
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Post by charzhino on Nov 28, 2019 22:57:03 GMT
So Fant4stic is better than it actually is because just about every single MCU fans AND comics fans rightfully despise it? How does that even work? No one says that. Mcu fans who hate good non-mcu films have their intentions clear.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 28, 2019 22:58:49 GMT
What's wrong with it being a theme park movie? Other than ruining the art motion pictures, monopolizing cinemas screens, brainwashing audiences and creating souless, recycled corporate junk... nothing Rambo 2 had practical effectz and high stakez. It didnt look like colourful, cheesy themparkIf it was Twilight series that was doing this, then you would've been correct, but just about all Phase 3 MCU films have received critical acclaim - and you're not even considering a good possibility that Scorsese was attacking MCU because his latest film ended up on Netflix. Also: >Not cheesy > Rambo: First Blood Part 2
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 28, 2019 23:00:18 GMT
So Fant4stic is better than it actually is because just about every single MCU fans AND comics fans rightfully despise it? How does that even work? No one says that. Mcu fans who hate good non-mcu films have their intentions clear. Why? They might hate it because they have their own opinions. You seem to hate just about every single Phase 3 MCU films. Why shouldn't MCU fans have rights to dislike films like X-Men: Days of Future Past?
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Post by charzhino on Nov 28, 2019 23:05:21 GMT
No one says that. Mcu fans who hate good non-mcu films have their intentions clear. Why? They might hate it because they have their own opinions. You seem to hate just about every single Phase 3 MCU films. Why shouldn't MCU fans have rights to dislike films like X-Men: Days of Future Past? Well from welibers/weirdraptors nitpicky post above about their criticism of dofp, and past criticism of Logan and X2, its pretty obvious these people are cultists. Sane marvel mcu fans will not think like this
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 28, 2019 23:06:27 GMT
Why? They might hate it because they have their own opinions. You seem to hate just about every single Phase 3 MCU films. Why shouldn't MCU fans have rights to dislike films like X-Men: Days of Future Past? Well from welibers/weirdraptors nitpicky post above about their criticism of dofp, and past criticism of Logan and X2, its pretty obvious these people are cultists. Sane marvel mcu fans will not think like this So what were you telling DC-Fan when he was spouting even nastier BS about MCU's plot points? I need to hear this.
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Post by scabab on Nov 28, 2019 23:19:06 GMT
Other than ruining the art motion pictures, monopolizing cinemas screens, brainwashing audiences and creating souless, recycled corporate junk... nothing Rambo 2 had practical effectz and high stakez. It didnt look like colourful, cheesy thempark It hasn't ruined anything, Hollywood can still make whatever movies they want and people can go to see whatever they want. Going to see decent movies in waves isn't anything new. Rambo 2 had practical effects because it wasn't capable of having CGI. It also had weak acting and a weak story but people still went to go see it and enjoyed it which led to a series of movies with no plot but a main character just killing as many bad guys as possible. These are comic book movies, comic books are colourful. That ain't nothing new. Superman, Batman, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, Spider-man, Fantastic Four, Aquaman, Wonder Woman etc were colourful, How's this anything new? Since when is colour a bad thing?
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 28, 2019 23:20:07 GMT
Other than ruining the art motion pictures, monopolizing cinemas screens, brainwashing audiences and creating souless, recycled corporate junk... nothing Rambo 2 had practical effectz and high stakez. It didnt look like colourful, cheesy thempark It hasn't ruined anything, Hollywood can still make whatever movies they want and people can go to see whatever they want. Going to see decent movies in waves isn't anything new. Rambo 2 had practical effects because it wasn't capable of having CGI. It also had weak acting and a weak story but people still went to go see it and enjoyed it which led to a series of movies with no plot but a main character just killing as many bad guys as possible. These are comic book movies, comic books are colourful. That ain't nothing new. Superman, Batman, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, Spider-man, Fantastic Four, Aquaman, Wonder Woman etc were colourful, How's this anything new? Since when is colour a bad thing? If color is a bad thing, then Saw or Twilight series would be better than every single Pixar films.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 29, 2019 10:25:07 GMT
Other than ruining the art motion pictures, monopolizing cinemas screens, brainwashing audiences and creating souless, recycled corporate junk... nothing Rambo 2 had practical effectz and high stakez. It didnt look like colourful, cheesy thempark It hasn't ruined anything, Hollywood can still make whatever movies they want and people can go to see whatever they want. Going to see decent movies in waves isn't anything new. Rambo 2 had practical effects because it wasn't capable of having CGI. It also had weak acting and a weak story but people still went to go see it and enjoyed it which led to a series of movies with no plot but a main character just killing as many bad guys as possible. These are comic book movies, comic books are colourful. That ain't nothing new. Superman, Batman, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, Spider-man, Fantastic Four, Aquaman, Wonder Woman etc were colourful, How's this anything new? Since when is colour a bad thing? It's ruining it because the studio is bullying out smaller movies from screens and monopolizing the industry with the takeover from fox to make more mediocre comic book movies from their list of IP properities - saturating the market. Yes Fox wanted to sell but the deal should never have been approved as Disney owns too much of the landscape now.
People can see whatever they want, yeh. But when its the same comic book movie over and over and over and over and over again this is what brainwashing does and it comes at the expense of people not going to see actual good movies. Lets be honest, there is no real difference from Avengers 1 in 2012 to Endgame in 2019 or Ironman 3 to Ragnaraok. Marvel produces the same generic movie 4 times a year and people eat it up like mindless drones. You want true variety look at movies like Joker and Logan.
The colour is there in excess to appeal to children and sell merchandise from lunch boxes to stuffed toys. Comic books are not the same as movies they are different mediums
This is a sensible transition from comic book to on screen
This isn't
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