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Post by moviemeisters on Nov 7, 2017 15:10:43 GMT
I would say I had fun with it overall. It moved at a nice pace, the visuals were neat, and the performances were all very good. That said, I think it's my least favorite of the superhero films I've seen this year (Logan, Wonder Woman, Vol. 2, and Homecoming). It lacked the characterization and intensity in action that the others had: -Banner had a fear of permanently being hulk that is never resolved -Thor's characterization was limited to him realizing that he had the power without Mjolnir (which ultimately didn't have a huge impact on the final plot) -The constant humor kept there from being any real pathos from the characters (a criticism people lobbed at GoTG2, but that film was serious when it needed to be and no one acted out of character): for me the worst moment was the Korg joke about foundations done immediately before cutting to the sad faces of the Asgardians -And, an overall criticism I have of the Thor films, is that the characters seem a little too invincible, so the action scenes had rather low stakes
The film had it's moments and it kept my attention the whole time. I just didn't think it succeeded in storytelling as much as the other films
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 7, 2017 15:17:54 GMT
-Banner had a fear of permanently being hulk that is never resolved I'd say it was resolved when he chose to change in order to save the Asgardians. He understood that it meant more to help them. And him realizing that Asgard's people meant more than Asgard the place. Eh, works for Superman...
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Post by chasallnut on Nov 7, 2017 16:47:52 GMT
Annoyed with the treatment of Banner. In The Avengers he gives a very believable impression that hes legitimately afraid of turning into the Hulk and has considered suicide- during that great argument scene where he picks up the Sceptor. Pretty heavy stuff. In Ragnarok, this theme is brought up again as hes afraid of turning into the Hulk as he fears hes never going to be Banner again. But the way its handled is poor and watered down. They turned his daring transformation scene at the end into a real cringe worthy slapstick humor gag. Completely disregarding his fear of turning into the Hulk in this film and previous ones including Age of Ultron. He gets over it in 2 minutes. I hate that final transformation scene, ill timed, unnecessary and out of keeping with the gravity of the scene/situation .
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Post by charzhino on Nov 7, 2017 16:49:27 GMT
Annoyed with the treatment of Banner. In The Avengers he gives a very believable impression that hes legitimately afraid of turning into the Hulk and has considered suicide- during that great argument scene where he picks up the Sceptor. Pretty heavy stuff. In Ragnarok, this theme is brought up again as hes afraid of turning into the Hulk as he fears hes never going to be Banner again. But the way its handled is poor and watered down. They turned his daring transformation scene at the end into a real cringe worthy slapstick humor gag. Completely disregarding his fear of turning into the Hulk in this film and previous ones including Age of Ultron. He gets over it in 2 minutes. I hate that final transformation scene, ill timed, unnecessary and out of keeping with the gravity of the scene/situation . You just described 80% of the movie.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 7, 2017 17:11:36 GMT
Just watched an online version of Thor: Ragnarok. Another waste of 2 hours. The jokes weren't funny. Just another over-rated and awful MCU movie. So you watched it illegally, okay then you have no right calling Captain America a "brutal, disgusting tyrant" because he broke the law to help a friend since you just broke the law yourself to see a movie you obviously didn't want to see in the first place. Difference is, Cap is fictional and you're real.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 7, 2017 17:16:46 GMT
Just watched an online version of Thor: Ragnarok. Another waste of 2 hours. The jokes weren't funny. Just another over-rated and awful MCU movie. So you watched it illegally, okay then you have no right calling Captain America a "brutal, disgusting tyrant" because he broke the law to help a friend since you just broke the law yourself to see a movie you obviously didn't want to see in the first place. Difference is, Cap is fictional and you're real. Why would this guy spend 2 hours illegally watching an MCU movie when he has literally hated every single previous MCU movie? He didn't learn his lesson from the first 15 movies? Or he just has nothing better to do than watch movies that he doesn't enjoy?
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 7, 2017 21:00:27 GMT
Annoyed with the treatment of Banner. In The Avengers he gives a very believable impression that hes legitimately afraid of turning into the Hulk and has considered suicide- during that great argument scene where he picks up the Sceptor. Pretty heavy stuff. In Ragnarok, this theme is brought up again as hes afraid of turning into the Hulk as he fears hes never going to be Banner again. But the way its handled is poor and watered down. They turned his daring transformation scene at the end into a real cringe worthy slapstick humor gag. Completely disregarding his fear of turning into the Hulk in this film and previous ones including Age of Ultron. He gets over it in 2 minutes. I hate that final transformation scene, ill timed, unnecessary and out of keeping with the gravity of the scene/situation . Let me guess, you'd rather they did it in slo-mo with Banner giving some mental monologue while the Orchestra blared out some overly dramatic suite?
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Post by azzajones on Nov 7, 2017 22:50:44 GMT
I was also unhappy about the inglorious & cavalier killing off of the warriors 3 - felt like a giant middle finger to fans of the films.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 0:55:24 GMT
You didn't like Dr. Strange's appearance? Seriously? And what's the point of telling us? Because we don't agree. You're like one of one people who think that, soooooooooooooooooooo? ok. I mean ok.
Not the only one at all. In my original post reacting to the film I said that cameo felt really forced to me. Much like the Thor hot tub scene in Ultron that they had to make sure it was in there but instead of it being there to set up future films it was there to make up for the fact that he had that end credit scene in Dr. Strange. It wasn't a huge make or break thing because the movie was still great but that cameo felt out of place for me and didn't feel like it was needed. Also don't say "we" as if you speak for all of us on this board because you're certainly not the voice of me.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 8, 2017 3:27:16 GMT
You didn't like Dr. Strange's appearance? Seriously? And what's the point of telling us? Because we don't agree. You're like one of one people who think that, soooooooooooooooooooo? ok. I mean ok.
Not the only one at all. In my original post reacting to the film I said that cameo felt really forced to me. Much like the Thor hot tub scene in Ultron that they had to make sure it was in there but instead of it being there to set up future films it was there to make up for the fact that he had that end credit scene in Dr. Strange. It wasn't a huge make or break thing because the movie was still great but that cameo felt out of place for me and didn't feel like it was needed. Also don't say "we" as if you speak for all of us on this board because you're certainly not the voice of me. Felt awesome to me. It's fantastic to see Strange's progression and those types of crossovers.
I don't speak for you, but coming on and making posts like that, just seems so trivial. It just reads like you're trying to find anything to complain about. I have no idea, and I mean absolutely no clue how that scene could possibly be a problem. It was fucking awesome to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 4:00:09 GMT
I was also unhappy about the inglorious & cavalier killing off of the warriors 3 - felt like a giant middle finger to fans of the films. I thought it was bold and I liked it. It was a trimming of the fat. They were nothing characters to me, just superfluous and underdeveloped. IMO, Ragnarok boldly rid Thor of all that dragged him down so that now only worthwhile characters remain.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 4:02:27 GMT
I was also unhappy about the inglorious & cavalier killing off of the warriors 3 - felt like a giant middle finger to fans of the films. I thought it was bold and I liked it. It was a trimming of the fat. They were nothing characters to me, just superfluous and underdeveloped. IMO, Ragnarok boldly rid Thor of all that dragged him down so that now only worthwhile characters remain. The warriors three are worthwhile characters. They just weren't used right in the previous two films.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 4:14:17 GMT
Not the only one at all. In my original post reacting to the film I said that cameo felt really forced to me. Much like the Thor hot tub scene in Ultron that they had to make sure it was in there but instead of it being there to set up future films it was there to make up for the fact that he had that end credit scene in Dr. Strange. It wasn't a huge make or break thing because the movie was still great but that cameo felt out of place for me and didn't feel like it was needed. Also don't say "we" as if you speak for all of us on this board because you're certainly not the voice of me. Felt awesome to me. It's fantastic to see Strange's progression and those types of crossovers.
I don't speak for you, but coming on and making posts like that, just seems so trivial. It just reads like you're trying to find anything to complain about. I have no idea, and I mean absolutely no clue how that scene could possibly be a problem. It was fucking awesome to watch.
Then by all means continue to have no idea while some of the rest of us share our own opinions with each. The film wasn't perfect and viewed through rose colored glasses for some of us. The film was fun and great but to some of us it wasn't perfect and without flaws.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 8, 2017 4:36:27 GMT
Felt awesome to me. It's fantastic to see Strange's progression and those types of crossovers.
I don't speak for you, but coming on and making posts like that, just seems so trivial. It just reads like you're trying to find anything to complain about. I have no idea, and I mean absolutely no clue how that scene could possibly be a problem. It was fucking awesome to watch.
Then by all means continue to have no idea while some of the rest of us share our own opinions with each. The film wasn't perfect and viewed through rose colored glasses for some of us. The film was fun and great but to some of us it wasn't perfect and without flaws. I'm just saying, I choose to appreciate what they did because it's well done and there's nothing inherently wrong it and I find it curious when people choose not to do that. I mean it's up to you, I just don't sit around finding reasons to not like something I like, that's all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 5:24:10 GMT
Then by all means continue to have no idea while some of the rest of us share our own opinions with each. The film wasn't perfect and viewed through rose colored glasses for some of us. The film was fun and great but to some of us it wasn't perfect and without flaws. I'm just saying, I choose to appreciate what they did because it's well done and there's nothing inherently wrong it and I find it curious when people choose not to do that. I mean it's up to you, I just don't sit around finding reasons to not like something I like, that's all.
It's not like I'm sitting there watching a movie actively looking for something to dislike. Some things hit with people and some things don't. The fact that you can't understand how other people choose to appreciate/watch film is jarring. People can watch a movie and think it's great but find things with it that they would have changed that they think would of made it better it's just how human brains can work. I'm not saying the Dr Strange cameo actively hurt the movie it's just I felt like it added nothing to the film itself
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 8, 2017 11:39:53 GMT
There is one thing that did irk me and that was how the warriors three just got swept aside. Could have given them a better death.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 8, 2017 11:48:06 GMT
I'm not saying the Dr Strange cameo actively hurt the movie it's just I felt like it added nothing to the film itself It didn't. This is what confuses me about why you're bringing it up, do you think it had to? It just establishes that they met him and what his power set is now. Why does it have to do anything else? Can things not happen in a movie that don't directly affect the main plot?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 8, 2017 11:55:51 GMT
There is one thing that did irk me and that was how the warriors three just got swept aside. Could have given them a better death. I can see that, but I just saw it again, and IDK, I think it gives it this stronger sense that Hela absolutely does not care about life that she would kill such important members of Asgard without a care.
I don't want to dishonor any real people, but take the Vegas or Texas shootings recently. What do we hate about that? It's that these innocent people are just gone with no warning and no reason. Just gone and there's no way to take it back. It's this ultimate finality.
That's why the warrior's deaths are good I feel, she shows up, and they're dead, and there's nothing anybody can do about it.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 8, 2017 22:00:18 GMT
There is one thing that did irk me and that was how the warriors three just got swept aside. Could have given them a better death. I can see that, but I just saw it again, and IDK, I think it gives it this stronger sense that Hela absolutely does not care about life that she would kill such important members of Asgard without a care.
I don't want to dishonor any real people, but take the Vegas or Texas shootings recently. What do we hate about that? It's that these innocent people are just gone with no warning and no reason. Just gone and there's no way to take it back. It's this ultimate finality.
That's why the warrior's deaths are good I feel, she shows up, and they're dead, and there's nothing anybody can do about it.
They should have been given a better death. We've known them since Thor 1. They should have Hela taken them out on the bridge while asgard civilians where being evacuated. Give them a more heroic death.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 8, 2017 22:24:22 GMT
I can see that, but I just saw it again, and IDK, I think it gives it this stronger sense that Hela absolutely does not care about life that she would kill such important members of Asgard without a care.
I don't want to dishonor any real people, but take the Vegas or Texas shootings recently. What do we hate about that? It's that these innocent people are just gone with no warning and no reason. Just gone and there's no way to take it back. It's this ultimate finality.
That's why the warrior's deaths are good I feel, she shows up, and they're dead, and there's nothing anybody can do about it.
They should have been given a better death. We've known them since Thor 1. They should have Hela taken them out on the bridge while asgard civilians where being evacuated. Give them a more heroic death. But that's my point is that not giving them a better death makes their death that much more visceral. It's like this ultimate feeling of helplessness that someone can die with such little purpose. It might have just been cliche' to give them an heroic death instead of using a sudden death to establish Hela's strength. I honestly liked it a lot on the second viewing as well.
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