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Post by Vegas on Feb 2, 2018 18:43:08 GMT
No, I don't think that. But there is a definitive difference between "knowing" and "admitting." Thus, why Satan uses a hypothetical here instead of a declarative:
If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God...."There could be another reason for this... Jesus had just spent 29 years of his life as a relatively normal person... He was just baptized by his cousin John... and the heavens opened up and the he suddenly became aware of his pre-human existence. He went out into the desert for a 40 day meditation to contemplate it all. The devil was testing his faith.... and even his sense of who he really is. It is could be more of a dare tactic than the devil not saying who Jesus is... while he is talking directly to Jesus. Even if Satan has some Harry Potter spell on him that would prevent him from saying what he would obviously know... It's still retardedly irrelevant. That still wouldn't prevent Satan worshippers from worshipping Satan from The Bible.... and The Bible saying exactly who the hell Jesus actually is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 18:49:14 GMT
False, per the scriptures. Don't blame me for creating the paradox, I simply pointed it out. If they follow the scriptures, they must admit Jesus is the Christ. If they follow Satan, they cannot admit Jesus was the Christ. Either they don't follow Satan all the way or they don't follow scriptures all the way. Which is it?
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Post by Vegas on Feb 2, 2018 18:59:43 GMT
A. The claim has been made that theistic Satanists use the Bible as their guide, except they worship Satan instead of God. B. The claim has been made that theistic Satanists accept that Jesus was the Christ. B. Per the Bible, evil spirits will not admit this and will convince their followers that it is not true. D. This presents a paradox. That's kinda moronic. A. Satanists use The Bible as a guide... It's where Satan comes from. Sure.. there might be a slight "This is Trapper John from the movie, not the Trapper John from the television series" thing going on... but... His character is based on The Bible and what some people believe his role in that book to be. B. The Bible says that Jesus was the Christ... Sure, one doesn't have to believe it... but, if you're believing everything else in The Bible.. It would be kinda stupid to skip that part. B. ( ) This a dumb rule that seems to be more made up in a bad interpretation than anything.. D. No it doesn't. Even if Satan couldn't admit what he would obviously know.. That still doesn't stop actual people seeing Jesus for what he was meant to be seen as.. and still choosing Satan's side.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 2, 2018 19:07:50 GMT
False, per the scriptures. Don't blame me for creating the paradox, I simply pointed it out. If they follow the scriptures, they must admit Jesus is the Christ. If they follow Satan, they cannot admit Jesus was the Christ. Either they don't follow Satan all the way or they don't follow scriptures all the way. Which is it? It's both. THEY CAN DO BOTH. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp. A person who is a devout Capitalist can have a complete understanding of what Socialism is... and still choose not to subscribe to it. It's part of the deal for a Satan worshipper to understand what God's plan is - INCLUDING THE ROLE THAT JESUS WOULD PLAY IN IT - and choose to oppose it.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Feb 2, 2018 19:27:21 GMT
How did such a simple thread become a study on oppositional defiant disorder?
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Feb 2, 2018 19:32:38 GMT
How did such a simple thread become a study on oppositional defiant disorder? LOL, because you posted it on this board!
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Post by Cinemachinery on Feb 2, 2018 19:34:42 GMT
How did such a simple thread become a study on oppositional defiant disorder? LOL, because you posted it on this board! This is why we can't have nice things.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 2, 2018 19:38:26 GMT
How did such a simple thread become a study on oppositional defiant disorder? TASTE THE RAINBOW!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 19:55:35 GMT
A person who is a devout Capitalist can have a complete understanding of what Socialism is... and still choose not to subscribe to it. That's a false comparison, though. An accurate comparison would be to say that a Capitalist has a complete understanding of what Socialism is, but denies he has a complete understanding of what Socialism is. If they admit that Jesus is the Christ, they espouse something different than what their god espouses.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 2, 2018 20:02:41 GMT
A person who is a devout Capitalist can have a complete understanding of what Socialism is... and still choose not to subscribe to it. That's a false comparison, though. An accurate comparison would be to say that a Capitalist has a complete understanding of what Socialism is, but denies he has a complete understanding of what Socialism is. If they admit that Jesus is the Christ, they espouse something different than what their god espouses. What does lead paint taste like?
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Post by clusium on Feb 2, 2018 20:09:19 GMT
No. Just no. To be a satanist means to reject Christ, plain & simple. Choosing the Devil, means rejecting the Almighty. Satanism is NOT Christianity!!!! Can't you see that because the 'cast of characters' is the same that Theistic Satanism is rooted in the same core source? ie Christianity and the Bible? Would it help if we said 'Theistic Satanism' is Christianity gone wrong? and is evil? Just because it exists doesn't reflect on your own religion, Clusium. Yes, its proponents reject Jesus and worship/whatever Satan, so it is fair enough to acknowledge that it is a demonic twisted branch of the Christian idea if not their ideals. It is kind of reverse, as was said in the Wiki article I posted on your behalf. It doesn't matter, Goz. It matters that they reject the One Whom they are supposed to worship, for one they should completely repulse. Zoroastrianism, Islam, Buddhism, & several other religions also believe that there are great evil in the Great Beyond, whom we should completely reject too. Not only do Satanists hate & mock Christianity, but, to a lesser extent, mock these other religions as well.
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Post by clusium on Feb 2, 2018 20:10:44 GMT
The way to describe it would Anti-ChristianityYES!! AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PENNY IS STILL A PENNY!!! And the dividing line between Canada & the United States, is still the dividing line of 2 completely separate countries.
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Post by clusium on Feb 2, 2018 20:12:03 GMT
No, it is still not Christianity, Goz. The way to describe it would Anti-Christianity, not "Christianity gone wrong." Semantics, m'dear. I applaud you, for saying that they are a version of Christianity, however. No, it is not a part of Christianity, it is opposed to Christianity.
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Post by clusium on Feb 2, 2018 20:18:24 GMT
No. Just no. To be a satanist means to reject Christ, plain & simple. No, it’s not actually “plain and simple”. YOU are a plain and simple person, which is why you are having a comprehension fail about this. The subject of Satanism is actually more complicated than you are willing to acknowledge. That statement is not relevant here. In the traditional sense of Christian worship practices, no. That point has already been conceded to. However it IS based on Christianity just as Mormonism is based on Christianity. It is dependent on the belief that God (and oftentimes Jesus Christ), and Satan exist based on the teachings of the bible. What part about that do you not understand? No, I am not having a comprehension fail. Satanism is not Christianity. It is anti-christianity. To be Christian means to be a disciple of Christ, which satanists-both atheist & theist alike-are not. Mormonism is a Christian sect, albeit, a heretical one. Satanism is its own thing.
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Post by clusium on Feb 2, 2018 20:19:40 GMT
People, seriously, she's an imbecile so stop wasting your time. You'd have better luck arguing with Cody and he's probably confused by the two extra buttons at the bottom of some of his shirts. I disagree. Clusium finds it an affront to her deep faith and religion. I respect that even if I don't agree with it. Thank you, Goz.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 20:19:47 GMT
A. The claim has been made that theistic Satanists use the Bible as their guide, except they worship Satan instead of God. B. The claim has been made that theistic Satanists accept that Jesus was the Christ. B. Per the Bible, evil spirits will not admit this and will convince their followers that it is not true. D. This presents a paradox. That's kinda moronic. A. Satanists use The Bible as a guide... It's where Satan comes from. Sure.. there might be a slight "This is Trapper John from the movie, not the Trapper John from the television series" thing going on... but... His character is based on The Bible and what some people believe his role in that book to be. B. The Bible says that Jesus was the Christ... Sure, one doesn't have to believe it... but, if you're believing everything else in The Bible.. It would be kinda stupid to skip that part. B. ( ) This a dumb rule that seems to be more made up in a bad interpretation than anything.. D. No it doesn't. Even if Satan couldn't admit what he would obviously know.. That still doesn't stop actual people seeing Jesus for what he was meant to be seen as.. and still choosing Satan's side. A. It wasn't your claim. Someone else - gadreel I believe - made the claim that they followed the Bible completely, except they worshipped the other side. I am only answering for that claim and its inherent paradox. B. Again, I am answering a specific claim, which isn't up for debate since it's recorded in this thread. C. It's not my rule, it's the Bible's rule, so if you consider it dumb, take it up with the author. One thing I can promise you is that it is not a bad interpretation. Anyone who does not admit that Jesus is the Christ, per the text, is a spirit of antichrist. This isn't even really hard to understand. If you are not of Christ, you are antichrist, per the text. Not unlike how I hate communism and am, therefore, an anti-communist. D. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who said Satan knew that Jesus was the Christ when Jesus was alive on earth? I know he knows now, but who said he knew then? Satan has absolutely zilch power when it comes to omniscience or omnipresence. He only knows what his senses allow him to experience in real time. Where in the text is it revealed that Satan was pre-warned that Jesus was in fact the Christ? Now, I can certainly see scriptural evidence of how he could have figured it out, but no where in the Bible does it state that Satan was ensured of Jesus being the Christ before Christ died.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 2, 2018 20:22:17 GMT
Zoroastrianism, Islam, Buddhism, & several other religions also believe that there are great evil in the Great Beyond, whom we should completely reject too. Not only do Satanists hate & mock Christianity, but, to a lesser extent, mock these other religions as well. And some Christians also do, as well.... But, in doing so, nobody is claiming to be a worshipper of whatever the form of evil is in Buddhism. If somebody claimed to be an Angra Mainyu-ist, you would assume that they are familiar enough with Zoroastrianism to understand who Angra Mainyu is and believe in Zoroastrianism enough to believe that he's actually real.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 2, 2018 20:28:57 GMT
No, it’s not actually “plain and simple”. YOU are a plain and simple person, which is why you are having a comprehension fail about this. The subject of Satanism is actually more complicated than you are willing to acknowledge. That statement is not relevant here. In the traditional sense of Christian worship practices, no. That point has already been conceded to. However it IS based on Christianity just as Mormonism is based on Christianity. It is dependent on the belief that God (and oftentimes Jesus Christ), and Satan exist based on the teachings of the bible. What part about that do you not understand? No, I am not having a comprehension fail. Satanism is not Christianity. It is anti-christianity. To be Christian means to be a disciple of Christ, which satanists-both atheist & theist alike-are not. I understand how you are parsing the word Christian to suit your agenda. It’s called equivocation! But it doesn’t work merely because you are choosing to recognize only your preferred definition of Christianity in this discussion. So I’m just going to make this simple for you. Do you acknowledge that theistic Satanism is based on the beliefs espoused in the Christian bible regarding the existence of God, Jesus, and Satan - yes or no? They are BOTH based on a Christianity, and consequently there is no difference with respect to this discussion.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 2, 2018 20:31:19 GMT
What an odd little discussion.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 2, 2018 20:32:40 GMT
D. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who said Satan knew that Jesus was the Christ when Jesus was alive on earth? I know he knows now, but who said he knew then? Satan has absolutely zilch power when it comes to omniscience or omnipresence. He only knows what his senses allow him to experience in real time. Where in the text is it revealed that Satan was pre-warned that Jesus was in fact the Christ? Now, I can certainly see scriptural evidence of how he could have figured it out, but no where in the Bible does it state that Satan was ensured of Jesus being the Christ before Christ died. I'll skip all of the moronic circular arguments to make fun of this point.. YOU JUST CITED THE STORY WHERE SATAN SHOWS UP AND TEMPTS JESUS IN THE DESERT. He kinda knew who Jesus was.. or..... Is that a common occurrence in your neck of the woods? Satan just shows up to everybody who gets baptized? Have you had a lengthy discussion with Satan?
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