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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 17:58:46 GMT
There is no solving. It's a fuck-up. Best to just admit and pretend like it doesn't matter. You have yet to explain what the audience may have seen while watching any of those movies that locks TWS down at two years after The Avengers. Civil War itself creates the MASSIVE fuck-up. " For the past four years, you've been operating with unlimited power and no supervision." Let's break that down, Marvel Zombie. Is he talking about The Avengers (in 2012)? Could be. But NO! Homecoming (which takes place months after CW) says that was 8 years ago (so, 2008). So he must have been talking about the fall of SHIELD, right? Well, it can't be that either because CW itself says that TWS was 2 years ago (Sam's line about chasing down Bucky for the last two years). Problem!!! But you can keep pretending that there is no error. Plus, Scar-Jo confirmed that TWS is 2 years after TA.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 25, 2018 18:15:42 GMT
You have yet to explain what the audience may have seen while watching any of those movies that locks TWS down at two years after The Avengers. Civil War itself creates the MASSIVE fuck-up. " For the past four years, you've been operating with unlimited power and no supervision." Ross chose his words poorly, easy as that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 18:35:57 GMT
Civil War itself creates the MASSIVE fuck-up. " For the past four years, you've been operating with unlimited power and no supervision." Ross chose his words poorly, easy as that.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 25, 2018 19:16:04 GMT
Ross chose his words poorly, easy as that.
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Post by damngumby on Mar 25, 2018 19:44:43 GMT
You have yet to explain what the audience may have seen while watching any of those movies that locks TWS down at two years after The Avengers. Civil War itself creates the MASSIVE fuck-up. " For the past four years, you've been operating with unlimited power and no supervision." Ross said that during CA:CW, which was year 7 after The Avengers. That means that someone watching the movies would logically conclude that the objectionable level of free reign Ross is talking about started in year 3, sometime between The Avengers and Winter Soldier (year 5). Presumably, the Avengers were not completely dormant between those two movie. The reasonable conclusion is they did something in year 3 that raised the hackles of various governments. I see no problem yet. Everything seems to fit fine. And I‘ve watch all four movies, I don’t recall Scar-Jo saying anything like that in any of them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 20:09:50 GMT
Civil War itself creates the MASSIVE fuck-up. " For the past four years, you've been operating with unlimited power and no supervision." Ross said that during CA:CW, which was year 7 after The Avengers. That means that someone watching the movies would logically conclude that the objectionable level of free reign Ross is talking about started in year 3, sometime between The Avengers and Winter Soldier (year 5). Presumably, the Avengers were not completely dormant between those two movie. The reasonable conclusion is they did something in year 3 that raised the hackles of various governments. I see no problem yet. Everything seems to fit fine. And I‘ve watch all four movies, I don’t recall Scar-Jo saying anything like that in any of them. As I said before, you're free to be as delusional about the obviously broken timeline as you please. Whatever helps you enjoy the movies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 20:35:05 GMT
I'll lay this out as plainly as possible for those still confused.
In Civil War, we establish the following timeline FACTS:
1. Tony Stark revealed himself to be Iron Man 8 years prior 2. The Avengers have been operating for 4 years 3. Steve and Sam have been searching for Bucky for the last 2 years
It's the second point there that some people dispute. Some think it's only referring to the destruction of SHIELD. But it's indisputable because of what we're told in CW.
"New York. Washington, D.C. Sokovia. Lagos. For the past four years, you've operated with unlimited power... and no supervision."
First, they include the events of New York in the "four years" that the Avengers have been operating. Second, later in the movie, Sam says they've been looking for Bucky for the last two years. That only happened at the end of TWS, so that was two years before CW.
There is NO OTHER OPTION for the "starting point" of the "four years" line. It's either when the Avengers were formed, or its when SHIELD was destroyed. And the latter isn't an option, per CW itself.
And then Homecoming comes along -- taking place months after CW -- and tries to say that TA was eight years ago. I call BULLSHIT!
It's plain as day to anyone with half a brain. Don't be stupid.
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Post by harpospoke on Mar 25, 2018 21:08:35 GMT
That would create a little problem with the timeline. Year 5 solves the issues you brought up. There is no solving. It's a fuck-up. Best to just admit and pretend like it doesn't matter. Not really necessary to pretend it doesn't matter. Because it truly does not matter. Practically no one would ever notice other than someone willing to break out a calculator because they are looking for flaws in the MCU. I mean...a "timeline continuity error"? Why would that matter to anyone? If you want continuity errors that are noticeable, see the Fox X-men movies. No one can tell what is going on with those with the actual characters. In the real world, the MCU is killing it with the public.
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Post by damngumby on Mar 25, 2018 21:19:00 GMT
I'll lay this out as plainly as possible for those still confused. In Civil War, we establish the following timeline FACTS: 1. Tony Stark revealed himself to be Iron Man 8 years prior 2. The Avengers have been operating for 4 years 3. Steve and Sam have been searching for Bucky for the last 2 years So far you have only established #3. Your argument for #2 is unconvincing. Ross was listing off a bunch of Avengers incidents and Rogers stopped him from continuing with, “That’s enough”. It is reasonable for anyone watching the movie to assume that there were additional incidents not mentioned. I don’t believe you’ve established #1 yet, or its relevancy to the four films under discussion. Please point out where Stark said that in CW, if it helps your argument. You're trying real hard, I’ll give you that, but so far you’ve failed to establish any sort of continuity error, massive or otherwise. Don’t get mad bro, you won’t be the first person to take a shot at the MCU and miss the mark.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 22:20:22 GMT
I'll lay this out as plainly as possible for those still confused. In Civil War, we establish the following timeline FACTS: 1. Tony Stark revealed himself to be Iron Man 8 years prior 2. The Avengers have been operating for 4 years 3. Steve and Sam have been searching for Bucky for the last 2 years So far you have only established #3. Your argument for #2 is unconvincing. Ross was listing off a bunch of Avengers incidents and Rogers stopped him from continuing with, “That’s enough”. It is reasonable for anyone watching the movie to assume that there were additional incidents not mentioned. I don’t believe you’ve established #1 yet, or its relevancy to the four films under discussion. Please point out where Stark said that in CW, if it helps your argument. You're trying real hard, I’ll give you that, but so far you’ve failed to establish any sort of continuity error, massive or otherwise. Don’t get mad bro, you won’t be the first person to take a shot at the MCU and miss the mark. You apparently can't do simple math. I can't help that. Gotta go back to school. Or just re-watch CW. All of those facts are established. If your little kid brain can't absorb the information, then that's your issue. And for the record, you're the only MCU Zombie still trying (and failing) to act like there is no continuity issue. At least the other Zombies have the intellectual integrity to be like, "Yeah, it's an error, but so what?!" Let's see if we can get your tiny brain to work through it... When Ross says, "For the past four years, you've been operating with unlimited power... and no supervision," what is he talking about? What happened four years ago?
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 25, 2018 22:40:05 GMT
I'll lay this out as plainly as possible for those still confused. In Civil War, we establish the following timeline FACTS: 1. Tony Stark revealed himself to be Iron Man 8 years prior 2. The Avengers have been operating for 4 years 3. Steve and Sam have been searching for Bucky for the last 2 years It's the second point there that some people dispute. Some think it's only referring to the destruction of SHIELD. But it's indisputable because of what we're told in CW. "New York. Washington, D.C. Sokovia. Lagos. For the past four years, you've operated with unlimited power... and no supervision." First, they include the events of New York in the "four years" that the Avengers have been operating. Second, later in the movie, Sam says they've been looking for Bucky for the last two years. That only happened at the end of TWS, so that was two years before CW. There is NO OTHER OPTION for the "starting point" of the "four years" line. It's either when the Avengers were formed, or its when SHIELD was destroyed. And the latter isn't an option, per CW itself. And then Homecoming comes along -- taking place months after CW -- and tries to say that TA was eight years ago. I call BULLSHIT! Wow! MCU really fucked up their timeline!
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Post by sostie on Mar 25, 2018 22:45:21 GMT
I'll lay this out as plainly as possible for those still confused. In Civil War, we establish the following timeline FACTS: 1. Tony Stark revealed himself to be Iron Man 8 years prior 2. The Avengers have been operating for 4 years 3. Steve and Sam have been searching for Bucky for the last 2 years It's the second point there that some people dispute. Some think it's only referring to the destruction of SHIELD. But it's indisputable because of what we're told in CW. "New York. Washington, D.C. Sokovia. Lagos. For the past four years, you've operated with unlimited power... and no supervision." First, they include the events of New York in the "four years" that the Avengers have been operating. Second, later in the movie, Sam says they've been looking for Bucky for the last two years. That only happened at the end of TWS, so that was two years before CW. There is NO OTHER OPTION for the "starting point" of the "four years" line. It's either when the Avengers were formed, or its when SHIELD was destroyed. And the latter isn't an option, per CW itself. And then Homecoming comes along -- taking place months after CW -- and tries to say that TA was eight years ago. I call BULLSHIT! Wow! MCU really fucked up their timeline! From the boy that gave us Magic Boat theory
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Post by damngumby on Mar 25, 2018 23:49:30 GMT
When Ross says, "For the past four years, you've been operating with unlimited power... and no supervision," what is he talking about? What happened four years ago? I believe this is where your failure to successfully make a valid argument starts to go around in circles. I refer you back to my previous post that addressed that question. Is your entire argument predicated on the assumption that we’ve been shown everything the Avengers have been up to since the events of The Avengers movie? That would be ... unwise. If there have been previous discussions on this topic that have met with more success, you might want to mine a few of them ... because your argument in this thread just ain’t working. sorry, Champ.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 0:21:57 GMT
When Ross says, "For the past four years, you've been operating with unlimited power... and no supervision," what is he talking about? What happened four years ago? I believe this is where your failure to successfully make a valid argument starts to go around in circles. I refer you back to my previous post that addressed that question. Is your entire argument predicated on the assumption that we’ve been shown everything the Avengers have been up to since the events of The Avengers movie? That would be ... unwise. If there have been previous discussions on this topic that have met with more success, you might want to mine a few of them ... because your argument in this thread just ain’t working. sorry, Champ. So your idea is to make something up out of thin air that is in no way suggested by the films? Incredible. Like I said, feel free to be as stupid as you desire about this. It's clearly helping you get along.
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Post by damngumby on Mar 26, 2018 0:59:19 GMT
So your idea is to make something up out of thin air that is in no way suggested by the films? I’m pretty sure Tony Stark takes a crap each day. I haven’t seen it suggested in any of the movies though. “Continuity error! Tony Stark has never shit in eight years!” That is your argument in a nut shell. If you don’t mind, I’m going to file it under, FAIL. ... BTW, Great gif. Which Dumb or Dumber guy are you?
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 26, 2018 1:18:36 GMT
When Ross says, "For the past four years, you've been operating with unlimited power... and no supervision," what is he talking about? What happened four years ago? I believe this is where your failure to successfully make a valid argument starts to go around in circles. I refer you back to my previous post that addressed that question. your argument in this thread just ain’t working DennisReynolds' argument is destroying your argument just like how the Eagles destroyed the Shady One and the Pats in the Super Bowl.
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Post by damngumby on Mar 26, 2018 2:15:35 GMT
DennisReynolds' argument is destroying your argument just like how the Eagles destroyed the Shady One and the Pats in the Super Bowl. You think I’m the reigning World Champion, I’ve scored a ton of points in this argument ... and I’ve taken the lead near the end of the game? That’s big of you to admit. ... but this game ain’t over and my defense isn’t a sieve. If DennisReynolds wants to unseat the World Champ* in the final minutes of this game, he’s going to need more than he’s delivered so far. * Your characterization, not mine. (I’m just too humble.)
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Post by scabab on Mar 26, 2018 2:38:02 GMT
Whether you like it or not Dennis makes a good point. I've had another look into things and it's worse than I thought. Iron Man 2 took place in May 2010. web.archive.org/web/20100420085102/http://www.starkexpo2010.com/The end of Iron Man 1 was six months before that so late 2009. The start of the movie was six months before that so early 2009. Yet in Spider-man Homecoming, Happy Hogan says he'd been holding on to the engagement ring since 2008 before the events of the first movie and before Tony Stark and Pepper Potts even got close in the first place. Civil War has Vision say "In the 8 years since Tony Stark announced he was Iron Man" so that movie was set in 2017. Thor took place the same week as Iron Man 2. Avengers was set one year after Thor which means Avengers would be set in 2011. Spider-man Homecoming was 8 years after The Avengers so should be set in 2019 but that would be two years after Civil War despite them saying it was just a few months.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 26, 2018 2:51:07 GMT
Whether you like it or not Dennis makes a good point. I've had another look into things and it's worse than I thought. Iron Man 2 took place in May 2010. web.archive.org/web/20100420085102/http://www.starkexpo2010.com/The end of Iron Man 1 was six months before that so late 2009. The start of the movie was six months before that so early 2009. Yet in Spider-man Homecoming, Happy Hogan says he'd been holding on to the engagement ring since 2008 before the events of the first movie and before Tony Stark and Pepper Potts even got close in the first place. Civil War has Vision say "In the 8 years since Tony Stark announced he was Iron Man" so that movie was set in 2017. Thor took place the same week as Iron Man 2. Avengers was set one year after Thor which means Avengers would be set in 2011. Spider-man Homecoming was 8 years after The Avengers so should be set in 2019 but that would be two years after Civil War despite them saying it was just a few months. Wow! That's even more convoluted than what I first thought it was. This is probably why MCU Dictator Kevin Feige still hasn't released any timeline like he said he would about 8 months ago. Because Feige has realized the same thing you just discovered - that MCU's timeline is Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition and there's no way to fix it.
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Post by scabab on Mar 26, 2018 3:59:09 GMT
From the detailed Timeline on the Wikia there might be more too.
Civil War is 8 years after Iron Man. Spider-man Homecoming is 8 years after Avengers. Spider-man Homecoming is just a few months after Civil War....but Avengers wasn't only a few months after Iron Man.
Like I said Iron Man 2 alone was half a year after Iron Man. Incredible Hulk took place the same week as Iron Man 2 but then in Avengers, Black Widow said that Bruce Banner had gone more than a year without incident so there could have been close to two years between Iron Man and Avengers.
So how could Civil War and Spider-man Homecoming both be 8 years after?
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