|
Post by harpospoke on Mar 26, 2018 4:45:52 GMT
DennisReynolds' argument is destroying your argument just like how the Eagles destroyed the Shady One and the Pats in the Super Bowl. I'll never understand how a Cowboys fan could root against the Pats. 1-People hate the Pats for the same stupid reasons they have hated the Cowboys so a Cowboys fan should know better. 2-The Pats have never been a direct rival to the Cowboys or prevented them from winning anything. 3-The Pats have kept the Steelers from winning several Super Bowls over the years and that should make the Pats heroes to a Cowboys fan.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Mar 26, 2018 5:34:23 GMT
DennisReynolds' argument is destroying your argument just like how the Eagles destroyed the Shady One and the Pats in the Super Bowl. I'll never understand how a Cowboys fan could root against the Pats. 1-People hate the Pats for the same stupid reasons they have hated the Cowboys so a Cowboys fan should know better. 2-The Pats have never been a direct rival to the Cowboys or prevented them from winning anything. 3-The Pats have kept the Steelers from winning several Super Bowls over the years and that should make the Pats heroes to a Cowboys fan. People hate the Pats because the Pats are serial cheaters. People hate the Cowboys because the Cowboys have won the most games in the NFL since 1960 (when the franchise was founded).
|
|
|
Post by damngumby on Mar 26, 2018 9:58:10 GMT
Whether you like it or not Dennis makes a good point. I've had another look into things and it's worse than I thought. Iron Man 2 took place in May 2010. web.archive.org/web/20100420085102/http://www.starkexpo2010.com/The end of Iron Man 1 was six months before that so late 2009. The start of the movie was six months before that so early 2009. Yet in Spider-man Homecoming, Happy Hogan says he'd been holding on to the engagement ring since 2008 before the events of the first movie and before Tony Stark and Pepper Potts even got close in the first place. Civil War has Vision say "In the 8 years since Tony Stark announced he was Iron Man" so that movie was set in 2017. Thor took place the same week as Iron Man 2. Avengers was set one year after Thor which means Avengers would be set in 2011. Spider-man Homecoming was 8 years after The Avengers so should be set in 2019 but that would be two years after Civil War despite them saying it was just a few months. Unfortunately, Dennis Reynolds made none of those points. Perhaps he’ll adopt your argument as his own. Let’s see if he does. As far as your argument is concerned, do you actually think anyone watching these movies is going to perform those mental gymnastics and become confused by the timeline? The harder you have to dig to find an error, the more insignificant that error becomes.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Mar 26, 2018 15:56:37 GMT
Whether you like it or not Dennis makes a good point. I've had another look into things and it's worse than I thought. Iron Man 2 took place in May 2010. web.archive.org/web/20100420085102/http://www.starkexpo2010.com/The end of Iron Man 1 was six months before that so late 2009. The start of the movie was six months before that so early 2009. Yet in Spider-man Homecoming, Happy Hogan says he'd been holding on to the engagement ring since 2008 before the events of the first movie and before Tony Stark and Pepper Potts even got close in the first place. Civil War has Vision say "In the 8 years since Tony Stark announced he was Iron Man" so that movie was set in 2017. Thor took place the same week as Iron Man 2. Avengers was set one year after Thor which means Avengers would be set in 2011. Spider-man Homecoming was 8 years after The Avengers so should be set in 2019 but that would be two years after Civil War despite them saying it was just a few months. Unfortunately, Dennis Reynolds made none of those points. Perhaps he’ll adopt your argument as his own. Let’s see if he does. As far as your argument is concerned, do you actually think anyone watching these movies is going to perform those mental gymnastics and become confused by the timeline? The harder you have to dig to find an error, the more insignificant that error becomes. So you're confirming that MCU movies are targeted for kids who don't do much thinking.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Mar 26, 2018 16:20:52 GMT
Unfortunately, Dennis Reynolds made none of those points. Perhaps he’ll adopt your argument as his own. Let’s see if he does. As far as your argument is concerned, do you actually think anyone watching these movies is going to perform those mental gymnastics and become confused by the timeline? The harder you have to dig to find an error, the more insignificant that error becomes. So you're confirming that MCU movies are targeted for kids who don't do much thinking. No, just that you care way too much about the tiny cracks (no one's perfect) than admit defeat over the stuff that matters.
|
|
|
Post by ThatGuy on Mar 26, 2018 16:57:08 GMT
The reason for the anomalies in the timeline. They even say that him messing with time will have consequences. We've gotten our first one.
|
|
|
Post by scabab on Mar 26, 2018 22:10:17 GMT
As far as your argument is concerned, do you actually think anyone watching these movies is going to perform those mental gymnastics and become confused by the timeline? The harder you have to dig to find an error, the more insignificant that error becomes. The vast majority won't care or even notice at all outside of some who might have a double take at the Spider-man Homecoming 8 years thing. Like I said in another thread, the Rocky series has timeline inconsistencies but nobody watches the movies for that. It's just something to point out though. Some people will take notice of it. Obviously, otherwise Kevin Feige wouldn't have said he'd bring out a timeline just to address it. No, just that you care way too much about the tiny cracks (no one's perfect) than admit defeat over the stuff that matters. You'll rush to the defence of even the most insignificant criticism towards the MCU but now that there's something that can't be argued against you're just going to wave your hand at it? Why did Tony Stark have an engagement ring for Pepper Potts in 2008 when he didn't start having feelings for her until the end of 2009? If Avengers took place over a year and a half after Iron Man and Civil War took place 8 years after Iron Man...then why is Spider-man Homecoming set 8 years after Avengers when that movie was only a few months after Civil War? The MCU confused themselves by attempting to use real time dates but it's contradicted by other things. Iron Man came out in 2008, that's why Happy Hogan has been holding the ring since 2008. Civil War came out in 2016 so it had been 8 years since Tony Stark said he was Iron Man. But then Iron Man 2 was set in 2010...but they said it was six months since the last movie so it probably should have still been 2008.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Mar 26, 2018 22:42:35 GMT
You'll rush to the defence of even the most insignificant criticism towards the MCU but now that there's something that can't be argued against you're just going to wave your hand at it? Because this is just pathetic. Happy predicted something would happen between them and he turned out to be right. There was a script typo where Keaton said 8 years no one caught until it was too late and then when post-production was doing work they heard the 8 year line and did the 8 year caption. There was another minor mess-up in Civil War, Vision said that Stark had been Iron Man for 8 years when it had been shorter in the timeline.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Mar 26, 2018 23:10:47 GMT
As far as your argument is concerned, do you actually think anyone watching these movies is going to perform those mental gymnastics and become confused by the timeline? The harder you have to dig to find an error, the more insignificant that error becomes. The vast majority won't care or even notice at all outside of some who might have a double take at the Spider-man Homecoming 8 years thing. Like I said in another thread, the Rocky series has timeline inconsistencies but nobody watches the movies for that. It's just something to point out though. Some people will take notice of it. Obviously, otherwise Kevin Feige wouldn't have said he'd bring out a timeline just to address it. No, just that you care way too much about the tiny cracks (no one's perfect) than admit defeat over the stuff that matters. You'll rush to the defence of even the most insignificant criticism towards the MCU but now that there's something that can't be argued against you're just going to wave your hand at it? Why did Tony Stark have an engagement ring for Pepper Potts in 2008 when he didn't start having feelings for her until the end of 2009? Maybe Tony Stark proposed to another woman in 2008 but she turned him down so he kept the ring for his next proposal and now he's giving that recycled ring to Pepper.
|
|
|
Post by scabab on Mar 27, 2018 0:16:59 GMT
Because this is just pathetic. No it isn't, your just picking things out conveniently now. You'll criticise the DCEU for its inconsistencies with the power scaling but the MCU's more severe and numerous Timeline inconsistencies doesn't count. So Happy Hogan predicted well over a year that Tony Stark was going to have feelings for Pepper Potts despite Stark sleeping with countless different women constantly...and just decided himself to buy an engagement ring on their behalf? No. So the movie messed up the consistency. We all know that. Well I brought that up. There should really have only been five and a half years since he'd been Iron Man. Spider-man Homecoming should have been four years since The Avengers. Kevin Feige said Peter Parker was 5 years old when Tony Stark revealed himself as Iron Man. www.aintitcool.com/node/77511Peter Parker should have been 11-12 in Homecoming but he isn't, he's 15 so it had been 10 years since Tony Stark said he was Iron Man so that doesn't fit with Civil War either where they said it was 8 years so then he should actually be 13-14.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Mar 27, 2018 0:22:48 GMT
Because this is just pathetic. No it isn't, your just picking things out conveniently now. You'll criticise the DCEU for its inconsistencies with the power scaling but the MCU's more severe and numerous Timeline inconsistencies doesn't count. A few minor timeline issues aren't much of anything compared to "What happened to Doomsdays' body, the kryptonite spear and why couldn't WW kill Steppenwolf on her own?" Yes. Yep, minor hiccup.
|
|
|
Post by scabab on Mar 27, 2018 0:41:36 GMT
A few minor timeline issues aren't much of anything compared to "What happened to Doomsdays' body, the kryptonite spear and why couldn't WW kill Steppenwolf on her own?" There's nothing minor about it. What was four years suddenly turned into right years. For some unexplained reason, four years just didn't happen, there's a missing four years in the timeline. Meanwhile there was nothing wrong with Wonder Woman not being able to kill Steppenwolf. That would only have been a problem had she successfully killed someone stronger than Steppenwolf and she didn't. No I don't think so. You don't think that either. It's one of many timeline inconsistencies. Even if you ignored the Stark Expo 2010 thing and just wrote it off as a website and not part of the actual movies so that Iron Man did take place in 2008 so the engagement ring comment did make sense. Civil War should still have taken place in 2013. But Guardians of the Galaxy for a fact took place in 2014 and people in charge said that Guardians of the Galaxy 2 took before Civil War. So that doesn't work either.
|
|
|
Post by damngumby on Mar 27, 2018 1:00:30 GMT
Why did Tony Stark have an engagement ring for Pepper Potts in 2008 when he didn't start having feelings for her until the end of 2009? If Avengers took place over a year and a half after Iron Man and Civil War took place 8 years after Iron Man...then why is Spider-man Homecoming set 8 years after Avengers when that movie was only a few months after Civil War? Up to this point we’ve been talking about when each film occurred in relation to the other films. The only evidence presented that connects these fictional events to a real world date is a Stark Expo ticket someone found on the internet? Really? Relatively speaking, and based on the dialog mentioned so far, I’m seeing the timeline of the films under discussion to be .... Iron Man - year 0 (8 years before CW) Iron Man 2 - year 0.5 (Some point between IM and The Avengers) The Avengers - year 1 (8 years before SMH) The Winter Soldier - year 6 (2 years before CW) Civil War - year 8 (A short time before SMH) SMH - year 9 (8 years after The Avengers) Is there any other dialog, not yet mentioned, that might throw off this timeline?
|
|
|
Post by scabab on Mar 27, 2018 1:18:57 GMT
Up to this point we’ve been talking about when each film occurred in relation to the other films. The only evidence presented that connects these fictional events to a real world date is a Stark Expo ticket someone found on the internet? Really? Relatively speaking, and based on the dialog mentioned so far, I’m seeing the timeline of the films under discussion to be .... Iron Man - year 0 Iron Man 2 - year 0.5 The Avengers - year 1 The Winter Soldier - year 6 Civil War - year 8 SMH - year 9 Is there any other dialog, not yet mentioned, that might throw off this timeline? Guardians of the Galaxy opened saying 1988 then we had "26 years later" so that movie definitely happened in 2014 when it released. There was a similar scene in the sequel with 1980 and then 34 years later so that is also set in 2014. Kevin Feige said that Infinity War takes places four years after GOTG2 so that would be 2018, the year it released. Now I can't find the source for it but according to Polygon, Marvel dated the first five MCU movies as being in 2011, one year before Avengers which would then be 2012, the year that released. Well that's impossible because it would make Civil War take place in 2019 and Spider-man Homecoming as taking place in 2020. It wouldn't even fit with that website with the Stark Expo 2010 because it would still put The Avengers as taking place in 2011 and Spider-man Homecoming in 2019. Dennis said that Winter Soldier took place two years after The Avengers but I can't remember the exact comment. Edit: screenrant.com/captain-america-2-winter-soldier-set-two-years-after-avengers/At least that interview says two years.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Mar 27, 2018 1:54:05 GMT
A few minor timeline issues aren't much of anything compared to "What happened to Doomsdays' body, the kryptonite spear and why couldn't WW kill Steppenwolf on her own?" There's nothing minor about it. Compared to that other stuff, it is. Ares. He was stronger than Steppenwolf, and she did more damage to Doomsday too and he was stronger and faster than Steppenwolf. And you still haven't explained what happened to Doomsdays' body and the spear. Happy predicting something that turned out to be right isn't THAT outlandish. GOTG2 was only a few months after GOTG1, yeah. The Stan Lee cameo there was from before we see him delivering stuff in Civil War. Way I see it, Iron Man was in 2008 and Iron Man 2 is 6 months later. Hulk happens between IM1 and IM2 and both Thor 1 and Cap's revival are soon after Iron Man 2, so it's all still in 2009. Then Avengers happens, still around 2009. So Spidey Homecoming is 8 years after that, 2017.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Mar 27, 2018 2:25:53 GMT
Up to this point we’ve been talking about when each film occurred in relation to the other films. The only evidence presented that connects these fictional events to a real world date is a Stark Expo ticket someone found on the internet? Really? Relatively speaking, and based on the dialog mentioned so far, I’m seeing the timeline of the films under discussion to be .... Iron Man - year 0 Iron Man 2 - year 0.5 The Avengers - year 1 The Winter Soldier - year 6 Civil War - year 8 SMH - year 9 Is there any other dialog, not yet mentioned, that might throw off this timeline? Guardians of the Galaxy opened saying 1988 then we had "26 years later" so that movie definitely happened in 2014 when it released. There was a similar scene in the sequel with 1980 and then 34 years later so that is also set in 2014. Kevin Feige said that Infinity War takes places four years after GOTG2 so that would be 2018, the year it released. Now I can't find the source for it but according to Polygon, Marvel dated the first five MCU movies as being in 2011, one year before Avengers which would then be 2012, the year that released. Well that's impossible because it would make Civil War take place in 2019 and Spider-man Homecoming as taking place in 2020. It wouldn't even fit with that website with the Stark Expo 2010 because it would still put The Avengers as taking place in 2011 and Spider-man Homecoming in 2019. Dennis said that Winter Soldier took place two years after The Avengers but I can't remember the exact comment. Edit: screenrant.com/captain-america-2-winter-soldier-set-two-years-after-avengers/At least that interview says two years. So if Winter Soldier is 2 years after the first Avengers, then King Kong Shady's timeline is wrong. I guess we can call King Kong Shady's timeline an "artificial timeline". LOL!!!
|
|
|
Post by Nicko's Nose on Mar 27, 2018 2:32:58 GMT
Guardians of the Galaxy opened saying 1988 then we had "26 years later" so that movie definitely happened in 2014 when it released. There was a similar scene in the sequel with 1980 and then 34 years later so that is also set in 2014. Kevin Feige said that Infinity War takes places four years after GOTG2 so that would be 2018, the year it released. Now I can't find the source for it but according to Polygon, Marvel dated the first five MCU movies as being in 2011, one year before Avengers which would then be 2012, the year that released. Well that's impossible because it would make Civil War take place in 2019 and Spider-man Homecoming as taking place in 2020. It wouldn't even fit with that website with the Stark Expo 2010 because it would still put The Avengers as taking place in 2011 and Spider-man Homecoming in 2019. Dennis said that Winter Soldier took place two years after The Avengers but I can't remember the exact comment. Edit: screenrant.com/captain-america-2-winter-soldier-set-two-years-after-avengers/At least that interview says two years. So if Winter Soldier is 2 years after the first Avengers, then King Kong Shady's timeline is wrong. I guess we can call King Kong Shady's timeline an "artificial timeline". LOL!!! lol u mad funnie bro!
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Mar 27, 2018 2:38:42 GMT
There's nothing minor about it. Compared to that other stuff, it is. Nope. There's nothing minor about it. you still haven't explained what happened to Doomsdays' body and the spear. Batman took it away before anyone else showed up. Happy predicting something that turned out to be right isn't THAT outlandish. It IS that outlandish considering that Happy did't even know Adrian Toomes had stolen the Stark technology. Way I see it, Iron Man was in 2008 and Iron Man 2 is 6 months later. No, the Stark Expo was in 2010.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Mar 27, 2018 2:44:03 GMT
Compared to that other stuff, it is. Nope. There's nothing minor about it. It is, compared to never finding out what happened to Doomsday, the Kryptonite Spear or how Clark Kent's return was never explained either. A few typos in the MCU aren't comparable to those DCEU screwups. Pure conjecture. He'd never contain Doomsday anyways, he's too incompetent and stupid. Not hardly. Not compared to Bruce Wayne helping cover up murder. It was 6 months after Iron Man 1, it's in 2008.
|
|
|
Post by scabab on Mar 27, 2018 2:46:40 GMT
Ares. He was stronger than Steppenwolf, and she did more damage to Doomsday too and he was stronger and faster than Steppenwolf. And you still haven't explained what happened to Doomsdays' body and the spear. This isn't really the point of this topic so it's not something I'm going to go into, nor will I after this bit but Ares was obviously not more powerful than Steppenwolf. Clear from the fact that Wonder Woman beat Ares and not Steppenwolf and also that Ares was killed by Zeus' lightning and Steppenwolf was only somewhat injured. Doomsday was more powerful than Steppenwolf, had Wonder Woman killed him then it would be inconsistent but she didn't and was clearly outmatched. Happy predicting something over a year before it happened at a time when Tony Stark was sleeping with every other woman not named Pepper Potts, a year before he developed feelings for her and a year and a half before they even became a couple and then having the gall to buy an engagement ring on his behalf is ludicrous. Tony Stark would have bought the engagement ring himself some time after he fell for Pepper Potts. According to the official MCU timeline, Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk and Thor all happen at the exact same time. If Avengers was in 2009 then it could make Spider-man Homecoming take place in 2017. But then it makes no sense how the Avengers had only been around for four years and not 8 years. Why Peter Parker was only 5 when Tony Stark said he was Iron Man. Why the Stark Expo in Iron Man 2 took place in May 2010 and other things.
|
|