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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 27, 2018 2:53:53 GMT
This isn't really the point of this topic so it's not something I'm going to go into, nor will I after this bit but Ares was obviously not more powerful than Steppenwolf. Clear from the fact that Wonder Woman beat Ares and not Steppenwolf and also that Ares was killed by Zeus' lightning and Steppenwolf was only somewhat injured. Zeus' lightning bolt in the past didn't look as powerful as the one Ares used, so the intensity was clearly different. And WW for some reason never tried to chop off Steppenwolf's head even though her sword could cut through Doomsday's skin. Sure didn't seem that way...she did more damage to Doomsday than to Steppenwolf. Tony had some feelings for Pepper before Iron Man 1, him NOT trying to bed her and toss her away like all the others was a sign he had more respect for her. Or Happy was just kidding around. Either way it's not some error. Figured. Ross merely said they'd operated with no oversight for 4 years, not that they had existed for 4 years. During those 8 years we'd also seen the fall of SHIELD and the Council killed and Fury disappear. Their oversight. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 27, 2018 2:55:09 GMT
Ares. He was stronger than Steppenwolf, and she did more damage to Doomsday too and he was stronger and faster than Steppenwolf. And you still haven't explained what happened to Doomsdays' body and the spear. This isn't really the point of this topic so it's not something I'm going to go into, nor will I after this bit but Ares was obviously not more powerful than Steppenwolf. Clear from the fact that Wonder Woman beat Ares and not Steppenwolf and also that Ares was killed by Zeus' lightning and Steppenwolf was only somewhat injured. Doomsday was more powerful than Steppenwolf, had Wonder Woman killed him then it would be inconsistent but she didn't and was clearly outmatched. So this is another thread on the MCU board about MCU which MCU fans like formersamhmd try to turn into a MCU vs DC thread simply because they have no defense for MCU on its own merits. Happy predicting something that turned out to be right isn't THAT outlandish. Happy predicting something over a year before it happened at a time when Tony Stark was sleeping with every other woman not named Pepper Potts, a year before he developed feelings for her and a year and a half before they even became a couple and then having the gall to buy an engagement ring on his behalf is ludicrous. Agreed. It's ludicrous, especially considering that Happy didn't even know that Adrian Toomes was stealing Stark technology. Way I see it, Iron Man was in 2008 and Iron Man 2 is 6 months later. Hulk happens between IM1 and IM2 and both Thor 1 and Cap's revival are soon after Iron Man 2, so it's all still in 2009. Then Avengers happens, still around 2009. So Spidey Homecoming is 8 years after that, 2017. According to the official MCU timeline, Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk and Thor all happen at the exact same time.  If Avengers was in 2009 then it could make Spider-man Homecoming take place in 2017. But then it makes no sense how the Avengers had only been around for four years and not 8 years. Why Peter Parker was only 5 when Tony Stark said he was Iron Man. Why the Stark Expo in Iron Man 2 took place in May 2010 and other things. Agreed. The MCU timeline makes no sense at all. |
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Post by scabab on Mar 27, 2018 2:55:30 GMT
It was 6 months after Iron Man 1, it's in 2008. This was official promotion for Iron Man 2 that calls it the Stark Expo 2010 and dates it from May 7th 2010 which again coinciding with the real time release date of the movie. web.archive.org/web/20100420085102/http://www.starkexpo2010.com/And according to this site www.polygon.com/2017/7/10/15947528/spider-man-homecoming-marvel-timeline"If Tony Stark announced that he was Iron Man eight years before Civil War, that would be 2008, not the 2011 date Marvel had given." Now I don't know where that source came from but they're a saying it came from Marvel and it would make sense being it was a year before Avengers so to again coincide real time with it being in 2012. So really you have three different alternatives where Iron Man took place in either 2008, 2009 or 2011. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 27, 2018 3:10:37 GMT
It was 6 months after Iron Man 1, it's in 2008. This was official promotion for Iron Man 2 that calls it the Stark Expo 2010 and dates it from May 7th 2010 which again coinciding with the real time release date of the movie. web.archive.org/web/20100420085102/http://www.starkexpo2010.com/And according to this site www.polygon.com/2017/7/10/15947528/spider-man-homecoming-marvel-timeline"If Tony Stark announced that he was Iron Man eight years before Civil War, that would be 2008, not the 2011 date Marvel had given." Now I don't know where that source came from but they're a saying it came from Marvel and it would make sense being it was a year before Avengers so to again coincide real time with it being in 2012. So really you have three different alternatives where Iron Man took place in either 2008, 2009 or 2011. I go by what's in the movie, which says it's set 6 months after the first film. |
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Post by scabab on Mar 27, 2018 3:11:32 GMT
Tony had some feelings for Pepper before Iron Man 1, him NOT trying to bed her and toss her away like all the others was a sign he had more respect for her. Or Happy was just kidding around. Either way it's not some error. Having some feelings, doesn't excuse that Tony Starks bodyguard who knew his boss slept around, actually went out and bought an engagement ring under the assumption that Tony Stark would one day fall in love with his secretary. That is not a thing. Nobody would believe that. The logical thing is that Iron Man took place in 2008 when it came out, Iron Man 2 was half a year after, they became a couple and Stark bought the ring. The promotional material would have to be the goof long before this scenario. He said for the past four years they'd operated with unlimited power and no supervision. That is what they did from the very start. Again they went for real time (2012-2016) which they also did when they said they'd be looking for Winter Soldier for 2 years (2014-2016) but they have not tied it in right. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 27, 2018 3:12:12 GMT
So this is another thread on the MCU board about Trying to make some point against the MCU to make the DCEU look better and failing, as usual. If you don't understand how people act. Nah you just need to use your brain, this isn't the DCEU. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 27, 2018 3:13:29 GMT
Tony had some feelings for Pepper before Iron Man 1, him NOT trying to bed her and toss her away like all the others was a sign he had more respect for her. Or Happy was just kidding around. Either way it's not some error. Having some feelings, doesn't excuse that Tony Starks bodyguard who knew his boss slept around, actually went out and bought an engagement ring under the assumption that Tony Stark would one day fall in love with his secretary. That is not a thing. Nobody would believe that. The logical thing is that Iron Man took place in 2008 when it came out, Iron Man 2 was half a year after, they became a couple and Stark bought the ring. The promotional material would have to be the goof long before this scenario. He said for the past four years they'd operated with unlimited power and no supervision. That is what they did from the very start. Again they went for real time (2012-2016) which they also did when they said they'd be looking for Winter Soldier for 2 years (2014-2016) but they have not tied it in right. OR...Happy was just goofing when he said that. It's really not a problem. No, from the start they were intended to be a SHIELD program overseen by SHIELD. Some wiggle room with that in mind. |
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Post by scabab on Mar 27, 2018 3:35:10 GMT
OR...Happy was just goofing when he said that. It's really not a problem. No, from the start they were intended to be a SHIELD program overseen by SHIELD. Some wiggle room with that in mind. It wouldn't be a goof because it really could be in 2008. If Civil War was set in 2016 then it would have made the events of Iron Man and Iron Man 2 in 2008 so it can actually work it would just mean that something else would not work. The Russo brothers said this "We like to say that the amount of time that has passed in between films is the amount of time that has passed in the movies." And Scarlett Johansson said the same thing for Winter Soldier. So it makes sense when Vision says 8 years, Ross says 4 years, Hogan says 2008 etc. But they didn't go by real time to start with and that's confused it now. If the Russo's are going by real time then Civil War is 2 years after Winter Soldier so makes sense why they were searching for him for that long but if Scarlett Johansson is saying the same then Winter Soldier should actually take place in 2011 so now there's a 5 year gap, that isn't real time and makes no sense why there spent 3 years not bothering to look for him. |
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Post by damngumby on Mar 27, 2018 10:28:56 GMT
Up to this point we’ve been talking about when each film occurred in relation to the other films. The only evidence presented that connects these fictional events to a real world date is a Stark Expo ticket someone found on the internet? Really? Relatively speaking, and based on the dialog mentioned so far, I’m seeing the timeline of the films under discussion to be .... Iron Man - year 0 Iron Man 2 - year 0.5 The Avengers - year 1 The Winter Soldier - year 6 Civil War - year 8 SMH - year 9 Is there any other dialog, not yet mentioned, that might throw off this timeline? Guardians of the Galaxy opened saying 1988 then we had "26 years later" so that movie definitely happened in 2014 when it released. There was a similar scene in the sequel with 1980 and then 34 years later so that is also set in 2014. Kevin Feige said that Infinity War takes places four years after GOTG2 so that would be 2018, the year it released. Now I can't find the source for it but according to Polygon, Marvel dated the first five MCU movies as being in 2011, one year before Avengers which would then be 2012, the year that released. Well that's impossible because it would make Civil War take place in 2019 and Spider-man Homecoming as taking place in 2020. It wouldn't even fit with that website with the Stark Expo 2010 because it would still put The Avengers as taking place in 2011 and Spider-man Homecoming in 2019. Dennis said that Winter Soldier took place two years after The Avengers but I can't remember the exact comment. Edit: screenrant.com/captain-america-2-winter-soldier-set-two-years-after-avengers/At least that interview says two years. I’m not interested in what people said during an interview. No one watching the movies care what was said in an interview they never saw. If someone wants to talk about how comments made during some podcast would create inconsistencies in the timeline if those comments were in any of the movies, that should be a separate thread. The OP of this thread was talking about things actually observed in the movies. Injecting comments from an external interview only serve to derail the discussion. Please refrain from doing it again. Can an error in the MCU timeline be determined by watching the movies?That is the question. Arguably, the only really important question in any of these timeline discussions. Reset. Begin. |
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Post by scabab on Mar 27, 2018 11:01:23 GMT
I’m not interested in what people said during an interview. No one watching the movies care what was said in an interview they never saw. If someone wants to talk about how comments made during some podcast would create inconsistencies in the timeline if those comments were in any of the movies, that should be a separate thread. The OP of this thread was talking about things actually observed in the movies. Injecting comments from an external interview only serve to derail the discussion. Please refrain from doing it again. Can an error in the MCU timeline be determined by watching the movies?That is the question. Arguably, the only really important question in any of these timeline discussions. Reset. Begin. Seems off to ignore the intent of the film makers. It's them in the first place who decide where the film takes place. Does anything say that Guardians of the Galaxy 2 took place before Civil War? No but the film maker said it does so would that not count for anything? And yes I already pointed one out. Civil War is 8 years after Iron Man. Spider-man Homecoming is 8 years after Avengers. Avengers took place over a year and a half after Iron Man. Spider-man Homecoming took place a couple months after Civil War. So it can't be 8 years for both movies. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 27, 2018 12:20:17 GMT
I’m not interested in what people said during an interview. No one watching the movies care what was said in an interview they never saw. If someone wants to talk about how comments made during some podcast would create inconsistencies in the timeline if those comments were in any of the movies, that should be a separate thread. The OP of this thread was talking about things actually observed in the movies. Injecting comments from an external interview only serve to derail the discussion. Please refrain from doing it again. Can an error in the MCU timeline be determined by watching the movies?That is the question. Arguably, the only really important question in any of these timeline discussions. Reset. Begin. Seems off to ignore the intent of the film makers. It's them in the first place who decide where the film takes place. Does anything say that Guardians of the Galaxy 2 took place before Civil War? No but the film maker said it does so would that not count for anything? And yes I already pointed one out. Civil War is 8 years after Iron Man. Spider-man Homecoming is 8 years after Avengers. Avengers took place over a year and a half after Iron Man. Spider-man Homecoming took place a couple months after Civil War. So it can't be 8 years for both movies. He has a point, though. It's like when something in a movie doesn't make sense and some superfan says, "It's explained in the (companion comic/novelization of the film)." That isn't good enough because most people aren't aware of those things. We have to go by what's presented to us on screen when we're talking films. However as a fan of the MCU, it's clear the timeline has issues, largely due to Homecoming. Everything seemed to fit together until then. I think Doctor Strange was a little fuzzy on the timeline, but nothing specific and thus nothing egregious. Personally I don't think it's a big deal; they dropped the ball on that aspect of Homecoming, mistakes happen. It's all dialog, it's not as if events are depicted happening out of sequence. |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 27, 2018 14:56:56 GMT
There is such a thing as over-analyzing a bunch of movies. There isn't a movie franchise in the world where you couldn't find something wrong to complain about if you looked hard enough.
BTW, the Mona Lisa's hands are too big, so I guess it's not a great historic work of art after all.
Also BTW, Marvel is still WINNING.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 27, 2018 15:15:58 GMT
Also BTW, Marvel is still WINNING.  |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 27, 2018 15:42:12 GMT
There is such a thing as over-analyzing a bunch of movies. There isn't a movie franchise in the world where you couldn't find something wrong to complain about if you looked hard enough. BTW, the Mona Lisa's hands are too big, so I guess it's not a great historic work of art after all. Also BTW, Marvel is still WINNING. She also doesn't have any eyebrows. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 27, 2018 16:29:04 GMT
She's also a lot smaller in person than you'd expect. The painting, I mean. I'm not that old.
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Post by damngumby on Mar 27, 2018 21:58:44 GMT
Avengers took place over a year and a half after Iron Man. Spider-man Homecoming took place a couple months after Civil War. So it can't be 8 years for both movies. There has been no evidence presented so far that nails down the time between The Avengers/Iron Man and CW/SMH. If you have something, lay it out on the table so we can decide if it’s valid or not. The criteria is - it has to be something said or seen in the movies. After all, that’s the only place a timeline inconsistency could be considered a “major fuck-up”. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Mar 28, 2018 1:14:00 GMT
This isn't really the point of this topic so it's not something I'm going to go into, nor will I after this bit but Ares was obviously not more powerful than Steppenwolf. Clear from the fact that Wonder Woman beat Ares and not Steppenwolf and also that Ares was killed by Zeus' lightning and Steppenwolf was only somewhat injured. Doomsday was more powerful than Steppenwolf, had Wonder Woman killed him then it would be inconsistent but she didn't and was clearly outmatched. So this is another thread on the MCU board about MCU which MCU fans like formersamhmd try to turn into a MCU vs DC thread simply because they have no defense for MCU on its own merits. Happy predicting something over a year before it happened at a time when Tony Stark was sleeping with every other woman not named Pepper Potts, a year before he developed feelings for her and a year and a half before they even became a couple and then having the gall to buy an engagement ring on his behalf is ludicrous. Agreed. It's ludicrous, especially considering that Happy didn't even know that Adrian Toomes was stealing Stark technology. According to the official MCU timeline, Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk and Thor all happen at the exact same time. If Avengers was in 2009 then it could make Spider-man Homecoming take place in 2017. But then it makes no sense how the Avengers had only been around for four years and not 8 years. Why Peter Parker was only 5 when Tony Stark said he was Iron Man. Why the Stark Expo in Iron Man 2 took place in May 2010 and other things.
Yet, it hasn't affected the MCU at all, and they're still successful. Has DC made a billion dollars yet with one of their movies like Black Panther?? |
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Post by harpospoke on Mar 28, 2018 18:39:24 GMT
I'll never understand how a Cowboys fan could root against the Pats. 1-People hate the Pats for the same stupid reasons they have hated the Cowboys so a Cowboys fan should know better. 2-The Pats have never been a direct rival to the Cowboys or prevented them from winning anything. 3-The Pats have kept the Steelers from winning several Super Bowls over the years and that should make the Pats heroes to a Cowboys fan. People hate the Pats because the Pats are serial cheaters. People hate the Cowboys because the Cowboys have won the most games in the NFL since 1960 (when the franchise was founded). You only word it that way because you like the Cowboys. Cowboys haters say the same things about them you say about the Pats. It's the same reason....no one would hate the Pats if they didn't win. A Cowboys fan should know better than to act just like Cowboys haters do. Plus...how could a Cowboys fan hate a team that beats the Steelers so often? This never makes sense to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 8:17:27 GMT
This is what the timeline should look like so far:
2009 - Iron-Man
2010 - Iron-Man 2, The Incredible Hulk and Thor
1942/2010 - Captain America: The First Avenger
2011 - The Avengers
2013 - Iron-Man 3 and Thor 2: The Dark World
2014 - Captain America 2: The Winter Solider, Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol.1 & Vol.2
2015 - The Avengers 2: The Age Of Ultron
2016 - Ant-Man, Captain America 3: Civil War, Black Panther and Spider-Man: Homecoming
2016/2017 - Doctor Strange
2017 - Thor 3: Ragnarok
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