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Post by justanaveragejoe on Mar 31, 2018 18:47:26 GMT
why is the Nolan Trilogy or X-Verse better than the MCU. It's all highly subjective. Anyway, the first 5 DCEU films have more Oscars and Critics Choice Award than the 18 MCU films put together. I think Deadpool said it best with "all I said was Marvel was trying to sell toys to 7-year-old boys and 50-year-old pedophiles.” We should be all able to agree on this at least. Why do you always bring up Suicide Squad's Oscar as if DCEU is superior to the MCU? As if that's a measurement of quality. Suicide Squad is still a horrible movie. Plus the only good DCEU didn't even a get a nomination, after one individual was hyping it be nominated for Best Picture. Going by that logic, Suicide Squad is a better film than Wonder Woman because it won an Oscar. And what happens if Black Panther wins an Oscar next year? What are you going to say after that?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 31, 2018 18:48:29 GMT
NOLAN is the new bigger than Kubrick. Kubrick's memory will endure long after Nolan has crumbled to dust. Nolan is transient, like Titanic's popularity. Kubrick is strong. But NOLAN is NOLAN. And the NOLAN-ites are relentless.
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Post by harpospoke on Mar 31, 2018 19:42:11 GMT
All this bragging about "Nolan" hasn't changed that the CB genre has not followed in the footsteps of the Nolan trilogy. Instead the MCU changed the genre. I am dead serious and you would not get those über-sensitive nipples if it was not true. NOLAN is the new bigger than Kubrick. His films will be revered when the MCU will be long despised and forgotten. His movies are in all Best lists unlike MCU, his Bat trilogy is in all Best trilogy lists unlike the broken, messy MCU films. NOLAN wins. MCU has changed the genre indeed. From a respected Oscar worthy NOLAN-CMB genre to downgrading it to mass produced, formulaic kiddy junk food pandering to the lowest instincts by dealing with raccoon turds, dance offs, hide-the-zucchinis and Fragglerockers. With a few exceptions such as LOGAN, which rhymes with NOLAN however. Do not try to fight the man! I tried. It's futile. He is just too strong. His ouvre is too unique and important. NOLAN! All this rests on the idea that there is some sort of battle to "win". It's art...there is no battle. People either like it or don't like it. To this point, people prefer the MCU. There were 6 major CB movies last year and the "Nolan" one (Logan) was the lowest grossing of the 6. That's right....even JL made more. The Nolan style CB movie has faded away into a now "good old days" reminiscence. There is no denying that Nolan has a huge fan base. The absurd voting for his movie on IMBD proves that. But it appears to be concentrated online rather than with the public. I would submit that he benefited from being associated with Batman...who also has a rabid and rather insane fan base online. So being "revered" hasn't translated to making an impact on the CB genre.... at all. He was obviously following in the footsteps of Brian Singer with the first 2 Xmen films anyway. And we've seen how Fox has failed over the years too. This self-important navel gazing gloomy and dreary "dark" approach has not been able to compete with Marvel. A sense of fun is important with fantasy stories. That should be obvious given what genre we are talking about. (amazing this has to be pointed out) Art elitists automatically discard any positive emotion as inferior to angst, anger, and depression. All the "awards" go to negative emotional art of course. This is getting worse over the years as the Academy continues to throw awards at movies the public does not care about. The public will always want to have fun and feel elation. Positive emotions are every bit as important as negative ones. I would submit they are more important. So this idea from Nolan that there is something inherently wrong with comic books and the genre needs to be "transcended" (i.e. avoided) is horse crap frankly. Nolan does not respect comic books so he didn't make a real CB movie. Obviously anyone who does respect the genre feels no need to "transcend" it so why would they follow what Nolan did? That's why the MCU has dominated the genre since 2008 and Nolan's trilogy is now a cherished relic of Batman fanboys constantly seeking bragging rights for how awesome Batman is and how no other hero can defeat him. (hilarious given Batman fans claims to hate Superman because he is unbeatable)
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 31, 2018 21:37:31 GMT
Kubrick's memory will endure long after Nolan has crumbled to dust. Nolan is transient, like Titanic's popularity. Kubrick is strong. But NOLAN is NOLAN. And Nolan is someone who will be forgotten when Kubrick is still eagerly remembered.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 31, 2018 21:44:08 GMT
The 1st 5? You make it sound like all of them have awards. All the awards BvS got were negative. MoS got advertising awards (for it's posters). Nothing on Justice League. SS got make-up, T&A for Margot Robbie and music. All the actual good awards are from Wonder Woman... But Iron Man got 20 award wins and 65 nominations, while Wonder Woman got 17 wins and 46 nominations. And that's the MCUs 1st movie. Hmmph. so still no Academy Award win after 18 MCU movies you say? How deplorable, DCEU has! And WW in 2017 beat at all big award such as Critics' Choice the ass of all 3 Marvel movies like Fragglerock 3, Raccoon Turd 2 and Spiderboy 6 or even Logan? Yes, DCEU is really bad. Apart form this, what makes you fanboys really cry like Thor when getting a haircut is that NOLAN blows all that away anyway. NOLAN! Your new avatars sucks raccoon balls btw.
That Academy award was for make-up and hair... That's not a prestigious award. lol And what critics choice award did Wonder Woman win? I see SAG for the stunt team. Movie of the Year in the AFI which is meaningless. Like a participation award. A best action movie award from Broadcast Film Critics Association. A local Chicago Impact award for Patty Jenkins. All I'm seeing are "You go girl!" awards for Gal Gadot and Patty Jenkins. Still no important awards here. Come on, man! Is this what you have to go on? Participation ribbons? And the DCEU tried to copy what Nolan did and failed. FAILED! It's a message to all the other studios. GIT GUD, SON!
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 5, 2018 16:48:20 GMT
I like the DCEU so I'm going to disagree with all the criticisms to some degree. Except for this one. Kevin Feige IS a genius. The DCEU doesn't have a Kevin Feige... yet. When they get one, things might improve.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 21:35:26 GMT
I am dead serious and you would not get those über-sensitive nipples if it was not true. NOLAN is the new bigger than Kubrick. His films will be revered when the MCU will be long despised and forgotten. His movies are in all Best lists unlike MCU, his Bat trilogy is in all Best trilogy lists unlike the broken, messy MCU films. NOLAN wins. MCU has changed the genre indeed. From a respected Oscar worthy NOLAN-CMB genre to downgrading it to mass produced, formulaic kiddy junk food pandering to the lowest instincts by dealing with raccoon turds, dance offs, hide-the-zucchinis and Fragglerockers. With a few exceptions such as LOGAN, which rhymes with NOLAN however. Do not try to fight the man! I tried. It's futile. He is just too strong. His ouvre is too unique and important. NOLAN! All this rests on the idea that there is some sort of battle to "win". It's art...there is no battle. People either like it or don't like it. To this point, people prefer the MCU. There were 6 major CB movies last year and the "Nolan" one (Logan) was the lowest grossing of the 6. That's right....even JL made more. The Nolan style CB movie has faded away into a now "good old days" reminiscence. There is no denying that Nolan has a huge fan base. The absurd voting for his movie on IMBD proves that. But it appears to be concentrated online rather than with the public. I would submit that he benefited from being associated with Batman...who also has a rabid and rather insane fan base online. So being "revered" hasn't translated to making an impact on the CB genre.... at all. He was obviously following in the footsteps of Brian Singer with the first 2 Xmen films anyway. And we've seen how Fox has failed over the years too. This self-important navel gazing gloomy and dreary "dark" approach has not been able to compete with Marvel. A sense of fun is important with fantasy stories. That should be obvious given what genre we are talking about. (amazing this has to be pointed out) Art elitists automatically discard any positive emotion as inferior to angst, anger, and depression. All the "awards" go to negative emotional art of course. This is getting worse over the years as the Academy continues to throw awards at movies the public does not care about. The public will always want to have fun and feel elation. Positive emotions are every bit as important as negative ones. I would submit they are more important. So this idea from Nolan that there is something inherently wrong with comic books and the genre needs to be "transcended" (i.e. avoided) is horse crap frankly. Nolan does not respect comic books so he didn't make a real CB movie. Obviously anyone who does respect the genre feels no need to "transcend" it so why would they follow what Nolan did? That's why the MCU has dominated the genre since 2008 and Nolan's trilogy is now a cherished relic of Batman fanboys constantly seeking bragging rights for how awesome Batman is and how no other hero can defeat him. (hilarious given Batman fans claims to hate Superman because he is unbeatable) Hear hear! Well said.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 6, 2018 0:45:17 GMT
It's because DC is too busy trying to make money that they don't put the time and effort to understand their market and properly develop their cinematic universe.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Apr 6, 2018 2:52:09 GMT
Anyway, the first 5 DCEU films have more Oscars and Critics Choice Award than the 18 MCU films put together. So? Who cares about that when the movies are weaker (excluding Wonder Woman)?
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 6, 2018 19:36:14 GMT
Anyone who is really being serious with themselves knows that the MCU makes better movies than the DCEU.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 6, 2018 20:32:17 GMT
Anyone who is really being serious with themselves knows that the MCU makes better movies than the DCEU. The only ones who think otherwise are the throwbacks who are clinging to the Dark Knight for dear life.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 7, 2018 11:09:43 GMT
Anyway, the first 5 DCEU films have more Oscars and Critics Choice Award than the 18 MCU films put together. So? Who cares about that when the movies are weaker (excluding Wonder Woman)? you just did, zombie brains. Cry me a salty river (if zombies have tear ducts). Ok, ok, bad joke and not Oscar worthy, but still better than MCU's penis, turd & nipples humor
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 8, 2018 16:21:00 GMT
Kubrick's memory will endure long after Nolan has crumbled to dust. Nolan is transient, like Titanic's popularity. Kubrick is strong. But NOLAN is NOLAN. And the NOLAN-ites are relentless. That's what happens when something good of something you like happens. Nolan will be seen as a good director for years mostly because of Batman fans. Nolan wasn't a household name until he made Batman Begins. It's the same with the Russos and James Gunn. Nobody cared about them until they made Winter Soldier and GotG. If we got a director that went so deep into X-men (more than any of the directors so far) and made the Batman Begins/Winter Soldier of X-men movies, that person would be praised like these guys.
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Post by summers8 on Apr 8, 2018 17:38:43 GMT
DCEU made a big mistake giving too much to snyder, but also the media never gave them a chance. we see the laughable bias to marvel that even the marvel fans cannot deny anymore. when DCEU or shall I say DC are at their best, they are superior to the MCU. the original marvel without mcu disney could maybe have been better but not anymore. DC are already killing marvel in comics, games and animation and they killed marvel with movies once you take into the account the Nolan trilogy, tim burton's batman and the oringal superman movies. the only time marvel ever has a chance is if you pretend X-Men and spiderman are part of the MCU. these is the reason mcu fans are terrified of matt reeves batman.
Once DCEU starts to put out comic films with the same film craft as planet of apes and mcu movies are still stuck with their homecoming and avengers generic formulaic level. game will be over for the mcu. DCEU are the only people that can create what TDK and Logan meant to comic films. DCEU can create what Begins and DOFP meant. MCU can't create that. that puts MCU as the weaker link.
DC just needs to fire Sndyer and get their best back that are loyal to them. Nolan, Cauron, Miller.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 8, 2018 17:42:09 GMT
DCEU made a big mistake giving too much to snyder, but also the media never gave them a chance. we see the laughable bias to marvel that even the marvel fans cannot deny anymore. when DCEU or shall I say DC are at their best, they are superior to the MCU. Nah, even WW doesn't hold up. Before the MCU, Marvel movies were more miss than hit. Nah, they just have games and animation. Comics they're equal. MCU's equaled all of them to date. The Donner Superman movies aren't even that good by today's standards. If it keeps up what it's been doing for the last 10 years, leading the pack.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 18:50:15 GMT
DCEU made a big mistake giving too much to snyder, but also the media never gave them a chance. we see the laughable bias to marvel that even the marvel fans cannot deny anymore. when DCEU or shall I say DC are at their best, they are superior to the MCU. the original marvel without mcu disney could maybe have been better but not anymore. DC are already killing marvel in comics, games and animation and they killed marvel with movies once you take into the account the Nolan trilogy, tim burton's batman and the oringal superman movies. the only time marvel ever has a chance is if you pretend X-Men and spiderman are part of the MCU. these is the reason mcu fans are terrified of matt reeves batman. Once DCEU starts to put out comic films with the same film craft as planet of apes and mcu movies are still stuck with their homecoming and avengers generic formulaic level. game will be over for the mcu. DCEU are the only people that can create what TDK and Logan meant to comic films. DCEU can create what Begins and DOFP meant. MCU can't create that. that puts MCU as the weaker link. DC just needs to fire Sndyer and get their best back that are loyal to them. Nolan, Cauron, Miller. Still trying to find some way to make MCU look like it's a disease to cinema? You know this is how I picture you in my mind. Everyone else MCU fans, normal X Men movie fans and DCEU fans walking in the streets and you a lunatic holding up a sign and a list of people that have called the MCU trash. Running up to people saying why they shouldn't like the MCU and why it's trash. Regardless if they like other CBMs you still call them stupid for liking the MCU. Also as a fan of Snyder I think DCEU should've kept Snyder as I think BvS UE and MOS were better than half of the X Men movies and rank amongst the top ten MCU movies.
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Post by thenewnexus on Apr 8, 2018 19:37:51 GMT
JL and SS were just like mcu movies but yet They got trashed. Double standard
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 8, 2018 19:53:29 GMT
JL and SS were just like mcu movies They were just like them, except in all the ways that mattered.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 8, 2018 23:09:02 GMT
JL and SS were just like mcu movies but yet They got trashed. Double standard Except they were badly made movies and were all over the place.
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 9, 2018 2:48:54 GMT
DCEU made a big mistake giving too much to snyder, but also the media never gave them a chance. we see the laughable bias to marvel that even the marvel fans cannot deny anymore. when DCEU or shall I say DC are at their best, they are superior to the MCU. the original marvel without mcu disney could maybe have been better but not anymore. DC are already killing marvel in comics, games and animation and they killed marvel with movies once you take into the account the Nolan trilogy, tim burton's batman and the oringal superman movies. the only time marvel ever has a chance is if you pretend X-Men and spiderman are part of the MCU. these is the reason mcu fans are terrified of matt reeves batman. Once DCEU starts to put out comic films with the same film craft as planet of apes and mcu movies are still stuck with their homecoming and avengers generic formulaic level. game will be over for the mcu. DCEU are the only people that can create what TDK and Logan meant to comic films. DCEU can create what Begins and DOFP meant. MCU can't create that. that puts MCU as the weaker link. DC just needs to fire Sndyer and get their best back that are loyal to them. Nolan, Cauron, Miller. In short, you agree that the MCU has been better than the DCU. But you predict this will change. I also expect the Matt Reeves Batman movie to be amazing actually. Reeves is my favorite current director. I don't even like Batman that much but I'll be there on opening day for that one. I've heard that claim about DC animation before. But man when you actually watch one of those animated movies from either DC or Marvel it's pretty bad. If you tried to make a movie from those things shot for shot it would get a 0% RT score.
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