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Post by Nicko's Nose on Apr 10, 2018 20:05:44 GMT
Can you please not butcher the French language? Thank you. calmer le cerveau zombie You did it again.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 20:07:01 GMT
They didn't. Not if you see it the way Donner did.
This isn't like you and your rejection of Infinity Stone power yet your acceptance or Magic Lightning so Diana didn't have any real struggles in WW. Mainly due to cowardly writers. the magic lightning GIF was Yoda you dullard. I'm bringing up your usual hypocrisy, like how you ignore how vital Ape Poo is to the plot of War for the Planet of the Apes.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 20:07:48 GMT
There's no deflection here other than yours. You claimed the dance-off was a boss defeat, I pointed out that anyone who watched GOTG knows that Ronan was defeated via infinity stone, not a dance off. So pardon me while I call you out on your falseness. ah fair enough, then it's your reading comprehension dear skaathar. I wrote: with the "in quotes" clearly signaling I was referring to the scene as a whole (like later in the post to other scenes like "Martha"), and nowhere indicating that it was the dance off alone defeating the baddie, which is not true: It's much much worse (cough, magic stone, lol, cough). GOTG's magic stone was way better done than WW's magic lightning.
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Post by Daisy on Apr 10, 2018 20:13:36 GMT
ah fair enough, then it's your reading comprehension dear skaathar. I wrote: with the "in quotes" clearly signaling I was referring to the scene as a whole (like later in the post to other scenes like "Martha"), and nowhere indicating that it was the dance off alone defeating the baddie, which is not true: It's much much worse (cough, magic stone, lol, cough). GOTG's magic stone was way better done than WW's magic lightning. I liked Wonder Woman but both Guardians of the Galaxy movies were superior in every way.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 10, 2018 20:27:21 GMT
oops je l'ai encore fait! Alors, aller renifler un morceau de merde raton laveur! Und vergiss nicht, Waschbär Scheiße wirkt rektal am besten.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Apr 10, 2018 20:29:21 GMT
oops je l'ai encore fait! Alors, aller renifler un morceau de merde raton laveur! Und vergiss nicht, Waschbär Scheiße wirkt rektal am besten. All I’m saying is next time you try to look smart by typing something in French, make sure you typed it right before posting.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 10, 2018 20:30:31 GMT
There's no deflection here other than yours. You claimed the dance-off was a boss defeat, I pointed out that anyone who watched GOTG knows that Ronan was defeated via infinity stone, not a dance off. So pardon me while I call you out on your falseness. ah fair enough, then it's your reading comprehension dear skaathar. I wrote: with the "in quotes" clearly signaling I was referring to the scene as a whole (like later in the post to other scenes like "Martha"), and nowhere indicating that it was the dance off alone defeating the baddie, which is not true: It's much much worse (cough, magic stone, lol, cough). Why would I leave that out, it's as if in "Martha" (scene reference, see?) Batman would finally be swayed by Lois injecting him a motherbox rectally, who could ever leave that out? And it is still a deflection dear skaathar, as the substantive arguments are independent of how you construe the first sentence, you just wanted to shoot back but were to lazy to aim, ne ce pas old chap? There is no deflection. There was simply no need for me to reply further about your argument when your first sentence was already blatantly false. But since I'm a genuinely nice guy I'm willing to assume we just had a misunderstanding and willing to start again. Can we agree then that Ronan was not defeated by a dance off and that Batman halted his fight against Superman because Superman mentioned the name Martha?
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 20:31:13 GMT
oops je l'ai encore fait! Alors, aller renifler un morceau de merde raton laveur! Und vergiss nicht, Waschbär Scheiße wirkt rektal am besten. All I’m saying is next time you try to look smart by typing something in French, make sure you typed it right before posting. Tristan's got classic delusions of eloquence, you're asking too much of him.
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Post by summers8 on Apr 11, 2018 4:07:19 GMT
ah fair enough, then it's your reading comprehension dear skaathar. I wrote: with the "in quotes" clearly signaling I was referring to the scene as a whole (like later in the post to other scenes like "Martha"), and nowhere indicating that it was the dance off alone defeating the baddie, which is not true: It's much much worse (cough, magic stone, lol, cough). Why would I leave that out, it's as if in "Martha" (scene reference, see?) Batman would finally be swayed by Lois injecting him a motherbox rectally, who could ever leave that out? And it is still a deflection dear skaathar, as the substantive arguments are independent of how you construe the first sentence, you just wanted to shoot back but were to lazy to aim, ne ce pas old chap? There is no deflection. There was simply no need for me to reply further about your argument when your first sentence was already blatantly false. But since I'm a genuinely nice guy I'm willing to assume we just had a misunderstanding and willing to start again. Can we agree then that Ronan was not defeated by a dance off and that Batman halted his fight against Superman because Superman mentioned the name Martha? the differnce between dance off and matha. matha had a good concept but was handled poorly because superman should not have called his mum by her first name. if he had said, save my mother, matha kent. it would have made a big difference. The dance off was had no logical concept behind it except to dumb down the moment.
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Post by blockbusted on Apr 11, 2018 5:16:23 GMT
There is no deflection. There was simply no need for me to reply further about your argument when your first sentence was already blatantly false. But since I'm a genuinely nice guy I'm willing to assume we just had a misunderstanding and willing to start again. Can we agree then that Ronan was not defeated by a dance off and that Batman halted his fight against Superman because Superman mentioned the name Martha? the differnce between dance off and matha. matha had a good concept but was handled poorly because superman should not have called his mum by her first name. if he had said, save my mother, matha kent. it would have made a big difference. The dance off was had no logical concept behind it except to dumb down the moment. Given how Ronan takes everything seriously, I would say that dance fits the context quite well...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 5:43:53 GMT
WB/DC should have started with solo films for the characters before doing a Justice League. And after the mixed reviews for MoS, they should have fired Snyder. I agree. Warner Bros totally rushed making a 'Justice League' movie just to compete with 'The Avengers' and should have held it off until they had established more of their characters in separate movies. I have said it on here before and I truly believe if Warner Bros had made 'The Batman' movie first and it had been a success the entire shape of the DCEU would be very different than it is now and they would have been able to build from that but they blew it having Batman and Superman in a movie instead of a solo 'Batman' movie and a 'Man of Steel 2.'
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 11, 2018 5:50:31 GMT
There is no deflection. There was simply no need for me to reply further about your argument when your first sentence was already blatantly false. But since I'm a genuinely nice guy I'm willing to assume we just had a misunderstanding and willing to start again. Can we agree then that Ronan was not defeated by a dance off and that Batman halted his fight against Superman because Superman mentioned the name Martha? the differnce between dance off and matha. matha had a good concept but was handled poorly because superman should not have called his mum by her first name. if he had said, save my mother, matha kent. it would have made a big difference. The dance off was had no logical concept behind it except to dumb down the moment. The difference is that the dance off accomplished its objective. It was also completely consistent with the character personalities of Ronan and Starlord. The Martha scene completely failed in achieving its objective. It was also out of character for both Batman and Superman.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 5:51:11 GMT
It might also be that the Marvel characters translate better to screen, as they've always been more about flawed people who happen to have superpowers while DC always went for the "flawless archetype" way of doing things. Even Wonder Woman, their only big success in recent history, still had the lead be a flawless archetypal character (no, being naive is not a flaw) who needed her supporting cast to be the flawed ones to generate any real humanity. Supergirl (Linda Danvers) Batgirl (Barbara Gordon) Green Arrow The Black Canary The Huntress Martian Manhunter Hawkman Doctor Fate (The character without the helmet) Strix Catwoman Red Hood Power Girl Clayface Raven Nightwing Arsenal Saturn Girl Blue Beetle Lady Blackhawk Phantom Lady Speedy Caitlin Fairchild Katana Voodoo Stargirl Harley Quinn Starling The Spoiler Orphan Bluebird Black Orchid The Signal
None of those characters fit the description of perfect or 'archetype' as you described and have a ton of flaws and the Green Arrow was an alcoholic in a number of the comic books who struggled to be a hero (and gave up being one at one point), the Black Canary was on the run from the law after accidentally murdering an innocent person, Linda Danvers was a former drug addict and member of a demonic cult who sacrificed people to demons and she chose to fight evil and redeem her darkened soul after being killed by her ex-boyfriend and brought back by the Matrix, Batgirl spent years in a wheelchair as Oracle and is haunted by visions of what the Joker did to her in ‘The Killing Joke’ and ending up in a wheelchair again, Some versions of Doctor Fate have been borderline insane without the helmet and spent time in mental institutions, Hawkman has been portrayed as an angry drunk with a short temper who doesn’t want to work with other superheroes after Hawkgirl was murdered, Strix was a member of the Court of Owls who killed people believing she was doing good, the Spoiler and Orphan are the daughters of villains and often clash with Batman and have short tempers that get the best of them sometimes and Power Girl spent most of her existence not knowing who she was and struggled to fit in and felt unneeded 'cause the world had Superman, Supergirl, Superboy and other superheroes. Power Girl often gets in the way of Superman and Supergirl trying to help them and accidentally allows the villains to escape.
I would argue the Bat Family are far more realistic than any of the heroes we have had in the DCEU and MCU so far. All of them have had their fair share of problems, come from dark pasts, let their emotions get the best of them at times, go against Batman's orders and nearly end up dead are far from perfect.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 11:51:15 GMT
It might also be that the Marvel characters translate better to screen, as they've always been more about flawed people who happen to have superpowers while DC always went for the "flawless archetype" way of doing things. Even Wonder Woman, their only big success in recent history, still had the lead be a flawless archetypal character (no, being naive is not a flaw) who needed her supporting cast to be the flawed ones to generate any real humanity. None of those characters fit the description of perfect or 'archetype' as you described Too bad none of them have movies.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 11, 2018 11:57:09 GMT
the differnce between dance off and matha. matha had a good concept but was handled poorly because superman should not have called his mum by her first name. if he had said, save my mother, matha kent. it would have made a big difference. The dance off was had no logical concept behind it except to dumb down the moment. The difference is that the dance off accomplished its objective. It was also completely consistent with the character personalities of Ronan and Starlord. The Martha scene completely failed in achieving its objective. It was also out of character for both Batman and Superman. For the record, Star-Lord is a much better dancer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 11:59:53 GMT
None of those characters fit the description of perfect or 'archetype' as you described Too bad none of them have movies. Yet. We have 'Batgirl' and 'Birds of Prey' coming and the 'Birds of Prey' script is completed and they are looking for a director. This will give us Batgirl, Black Canary, the Huntress and Catwoman and possibly other characters like Strix, Lady Blackhawk, Starling and Misfit. None of which fit the 'flawless archetype' you described and if they go with Gail Simone's 'Batgirl' series as the main inspiration for 'Batgirl' like a lot of sites have reported they still are we will have a character who spent years in a wheelchair becoming a superhero again being haunted by visions of the events of 'The Killing Joke.'
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 12:05:13 GMT
Too bad none of them have movies. Yet. We have 'Batgirl' and 'Birds of Prey' coming and the 'Birds of Prey' script is completed and they are looking for a director. This will give us Batgirl, Black Canary, the Huntress and Catwoman and possibly other characters like Strix, Lady Blackhawk, Starling and Misfit. None of which fit the 'flawless archetype' you described and if they go with Gail Simone's 'Batgirl' series as the main inspiration for 'Batgirl' like a lot of sites have reported they still are we will have a character who spent years in a wheelchair becoming a superhero again being haunted by visions of the events of 'The Killing Joke.' I want to believe, but DC isn't exactly hope inspiring.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 12:15:39 GMT
Yet. We have 'Batgirl' and 'Birds of Prey' coming and the 'Birds of Prey' script is completed and they are looking for a director. This will give us Batgirl, Black Canary, the Huntress and Catwoman and possibly other characters like Strix, Lady Blackhawk, Starling and Misfit. None of which fit the 'flawless archetype' you described and if they go with Gail Simone's 'Batgirl' series as the main inspiration for 'Batgirl' like a lot of sites have reported they still are we will have a character who spent years in a wheelchair becoming a superhero again being haunted by visions of the events of 'The Killing Joke.' I want to believe, but DC isn't exactly hope inspiring. Yeah. I know what you mean and don't blame you but I still have faith they can turn it around with the right writers but at the moment things are not very positive for the state of the DCEU.
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 12, 2018 6:24:22 GMT
No one wants to admit this, but it's true: Marvel is better received because no one gave a shit about the Marvel characters before the MCU. You didn't have crybabies with saggy man-tits shouting, "NAWT MUH IRON MAN!" after each movie. People actually care about the DC characters, so you can't get away with trying something new. Marvel provides just enough mindless entertainment surrounding unknown characters that people just don't care enough to bitch about it. Behind the fanboy nonsense, you have a germ of a good idea there. It does allow freedom when you are introducing a character few people know about. No preconceived expectations to get in the way. It's a good news/bad news thing though. Marvel had one shot to get people to like Iron Man. If they had failed, this board would not exist.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 9:30:35 GMT
oops je l'ai encore fait! Alors, aller renifler un morceau de merde raton laveur! Und vergiss nicht, Waschbär Scheiße wirkt rektal am besten. All I’m saying is next time you try to look smart by typing something in French, make sure you typed it right before posting. people can always use google translate or some other similar tool. so it might not mean much
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