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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 9, 2018 2:58:01 GMT
DCEU made a big mistake giving too much to snyder, but also the media never gave them a chance. we see the laughable bias to marvel that even the marvel fans cannot deny anymore. when DCEU or shall I say DC are at their best, they are superior to the MCU. the original marvel without mcu disney could maybe have been better but not anymore. DC are already killing marvel in comics, games and animation and they killed marvel with movies once you take into the account the Nolan trilogy, tim burton's batman and the oringal superman movies. the only time marvel ever has a chance is if you pretend X-Men and spiderman are part of the MCU. these is the reason mcu fans are terrified of matt reeves batman. Once DCEU starts to put out comic films with the same film craft as planet of apes and mcu movies are still stuck with their homecoming and avengers generic formulaic level. game will be over for the mcu. DCEU are the only people that can create what TDK and Logan meant to comic films. DCEU can create what Begins and DOFP meant. MCU can't create that. that puts MCU as the weaker link. DC just needs to fire Sndyer and get their best back that are loyal to them. Nolan, Cauron, Miller. In short, you agree that the MCU has been better than the DCU. But you predict this will change. I also expect the Matt Reeves Batman movie to be amazing actually. Reeves is my favorite current director. I don't even like Batman that much but I'll be there on opening day for that one. I've heard that claim about DC animation before. But man when you actually watch one of those animated movies from either DC or Marvel it's pretty bad. If you tried to make a movie from those things shot for shot it would get a 0% RT score. Funny thing, he keeps bringing up Reeves and War for the Planet of the Apes...he forgets a huge plot point revolved around ape poop.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 9, 2018 12:56:04 GMT
JL and SS were just like mcu movies but yet They got trashed. Double standard Why do you keep saying this? This is not even remotely true. These are two poorly made movies.
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Post by thenewnexus on Apr 9, 2018 14:53:50 GMT
JL and SS were just like mcu movies but yet They got trashed. Double standard Except they were badly made movies and were all over the place. SS was reshot to be fun with jokes and honestly has a comedic soundtrack like Guardians. JL was pretty much like guardians.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 9, 2018 15:08:25 GMT
Except they were badly made movies and were all over the place. SS was reshot to be fun with jokes and honestly has a comedic soundtrack like Guardians. JL was pretty much like guardians. SS was reshot because the first cut sucked, same with JL. It had nothing to do with jokes and humor. And the soundtrack was trying to be "edgy", but failed at that as well.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 9, 2018 16:07:56 GMT
Except they were badly made movies and were all over the place. SS was reshot to be fun with jokes and honestly has a comedic soundtrack like Guardians. JL was pretty much like guardians. Except Guardians was well made and put together, something the DCEU just cannot seem to do.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 9, 2018 16:15:40 GMT
Except they were badly made movies and were all over the place. SS was reshot to be fun with jokes and honestly has a comedic soundtrack like Guardians. JL was pretty much like guardians. Yes and that's why they're different (and bad). GoTG was supposed to be a fun, quirky movie from the get go. SS was supposed to be dark... which was then modified to be fun. Thus: All over the place. JL is primarily a Snyder movie, meaning lots of long brooding stretches, dreary humanity and washed-out colors. It was then modified to have some fun and humor again. Thus: All over the place. Plus there's the fact that neither SS nor JL has even a fraction of the heart of GotG.
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 9, 2018 16:58:55 GMT
Except they were badly made movies and were all over the place. SS was reshot to be fun with jokes and honestly has a comedic soundtrack like Guardians. JL was pretty much like guardians. I get that they tried to copy Marvel, but that doesn't mean they pulled it off. Critics don't give A for effort. I actually liked JL quite a bit, but it did seem like half the movie was just terrible while the other half was awesome. I just enjoyed it because of things like the Superman resurrection scene. (that part where he sees the Flash is epic) But then you've got to put up with all the bad stuff like the terrible CGI villain and the "Peter Parker" Flash character who acts like a buffoon. Cyborg was barely a character at all. SS was just bad in every way. I can't think of one thing that worked. Contrast that to how well the GotG characters were built and it's not close really.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 9, 2018 20:16:23 GMT
why is the Nolan Trilogy or X-Verse better than the MCU. It's all highly subjective. Anyway, the first 5 DCEU films have more Oscars and Critics Choice Award than the 18 MCU films put together. BOOM. The MCU's continuity is shattered, and it should be rebooted by Zachary Snyder.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 9, 2018 20:55:16 GMT
why is the Nolan Trilogy or X-Verse better than the MCU. It's all highly subjective. Anyway, the first 5 DCEU films have more Oscars and Critics Choice Award than the 18 MCU films put together. BOOM. The MCU's continuity is shattered, and it should be rebooted by Zachary Snyder. You want shattered continuity, Justice League says the Mother Boxes didn't activate until after Clark died but the BvS flashback shows one active while he was alive. And whatever happened to Doomsdays' body?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 9, 2018 21:10:15 GMT
SS was reshot to be fun with jokes and honestly has a comedic soundtrack like Guardians. JL was pretty much like guardians. Except Guardians was well made and put together, something the DCEU just cannot seem to do. dance off, turd blossom! Didn't know how much craftsmanship it takes to make and put together a piece raccoon shit. Piece, dude.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 9, 2018 21:16:42 GMT
Except Guardians was well made and put together, something the DCEU just cannot seem to do. dance off, turd blossom! Didn't know how much craftsmanship it takes to make and put together a piece raccoon shit. Piece, dude. And yet you're fine with War for the Planet of the Apes using Ape Poo for a dramatic moment the whole plot hinged on...nice to see you're still a hypocrite.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 9, 2018 21:50:02 GMT
dance off, turd blossom! Didn't know how much craftsmanship it takes to make and put together a piece raccoon shit. Piece, dude. And yet you're fine with War for the Planet of the Apes using Ape Poo for a dramatic moment the whole plot hinged on...nice to see you're still a hypocrite. don't even try to besmirch those great films with raccoon poo. Guardians belongs in the same league as Battlefield Earth, Twilight or Raccoon Turd Vol2. The new PotA trilogy may have rivaled Nolan's TDK trilogy if Matt Reeves only had directed the first one too, it's close enough and thus still a sublime masterwork. Hail Reeves. And unlike the messy and unplanned MCU "trilogies" these trilogies are consistent in theme, tone and characters. Valuable filmmaking that, not junk food for the dumb masses. Hail Nolan.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 9, 2018 22:32:11 GMT
And yet you're fine with War for the Planet of the Apes using Ape Poo for a dramatic moment the whole plot hinged on...nice to see you're still a hypocrite. don't even try to besmirch those great films with raccoon poo. They besmirch themselves with Ape Poo. Nah, it just isn't pretentious or for the artsy fartsy snobs who nearly destroyed cinema. Not that hard, seeing how Nolan needed a dead actor to get any real recognition. So they refuse to think outside the box and expand their surroundings. Billy on them. Outdated filmmaking, that.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 9, 2018 22:33:54 GMT
Except Guardians was well made and put together, something the DCEU just cannot seem to do. dance off, turd blossom! Didn't know how much craftsmanship it takes to make and put together a piece raccoon shit. Piece, dude. Funny thing is, that dance-off made way more sense than the Martha scene in BvS or the tornado scene in MOS or the Joker/Harley torture scene in SS.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 10, 2018 0:15:41 GMT
BOOM. The MCU's continuity is shattered, and it should be rebooted by Zachary Snyder. You want shattered continuity, Justice League says the Mother Boxes didn't activate until after Clark died but the BvS flashback shows one active while he was alive. And whatever happened to Doomsdays' body? He's in Arkham with Nolan's/Ledger's Joker.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 0:18:02 GMT
You want shattered continuity, Justice League says the Mother Boxes didn't activate until after Clark died but the BvS flashback shows one active while he was alive. And whatever happened to Doomsdays' body? He's in Arkham with Nolan's/Ledger's Joker. I'm sure once Nolan saw BP defeat the Dark Knight, he had to be committed.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 10, 2018 0:22:20 GMT
He's in Arkham with Nolan's/Ledger's Joker. I'm sure once Nolan saw BP defeat the Dark Knight, he had to be committed. I doubt he cares, tbh. He got his money, acclaim, etc. Now it's someone else's turn. He's never struck me as being particularly partisan re: Marvel/DC.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 0:26:31 GMT
No one wants to admit this, but it's true:
Marvel is better received because no one gave a shit about the Marvel characters before the MCU. You didn't have crybabies with saggy man-tits shouting, "NAWT MUH IRON MAN!" after each movie.
People actually care about the DC characters, so you can't get away with trying something new. Marvel provides just enough mindless entertainment surrounding unknown characters that people just don't care enough to bitch about it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 0:28:55 GMT
No one wants to admit this, but it's true: Marvel is better received because no one gave a shit about the Marvel characters before the MCU. So by your logic, they took character no one cared about and made them A-Listers just as mainstream as DC's big guns. That's more impressive than anything DC had done to that point seeing how they cowardly kept clinging to Superman/Batman related stuff for decades.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 10, 2018 8:29:19 GMT
dance off, turd blossom! Didn't know how much craftsmanship it takes to make and put together a piece raccoon shit. Piece, dude. Funny thing is, that dance-off made way more sense than the Martha scene in BvS or the tornado scene in MOS or the Joker/Harley torture scene in SS. be careful with the word "sense" Skaathar, it is more revealing than you may intend. "Dance Off, Turd Blossom" is one the silliest and most juvenile final boss defeats in film history, there is nothing else to say about itn (except: hell, the actor made fun of it in Passengers).
"You must save Martha" is silly too but still makes sense, as it's about these different-method vigilantes, the shining quasi-deity and the dark vigilante - resolving their issues over a common cause: Saving the ones they love - and Bats can finally save a mommy, what he failed with as a kid. Super-cheesy but sensible and in line with character backgrounds.
Compare that to the super cringworthy "I don't care, he killed my mom!" in Civil War where middle-aged IM suddenly gets a shoehorned-in mommy conflict and - in the middle of a deadly conflict he tried to mediate - gets a meltdown shooting rockets at Cap and the WS - the latter a man who is a brainwashed victim not responsibe for his actions (!).
One of the worst, forced writings I have ever seen. I find that if you must use mommy issues for grown up characters they should rather be used to unite bickering middle-aged superheroes than make them clobber & punch each other in the face to no end.
Or compare that to "You should not have killed my mom...or squished my walkman!"...ah forget it, the circle is complete.
I rest my case ...
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