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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 9:22:06 GMT
Funny thing is, that dance-off made way more sense than the Martha scene in BvS or the tornado scene in MOS or the Joker/Harley torture scene in SS. be careful with the word "sense" Skaathar, it is more revealing than you may intend. "Dance Off, Turd Blossom" is one the silliest and most juvenile final boss defeats in film history, Good thing it was a primal cosmic force that destroyed Ronan then. And it was better set up than WW's magic lightning. It makes sense if both characters are idiots, maybe. His issues with his parents have been there since IM2, this was years in the making. You just need to pay attention instead of expecting to be spoonfed. That's what being a flawed human character is, instead of a perfect archetype. Nah, that goes to WW's "love will save the world" BS. So you dislike people who act like people instead of perfect archetypes. More naturalism. Much better than Holocaust Exploitation.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 10, 2018 9:40:40 GMT
No one wants to admit this, but it's true: Marvel is better received because no one gave a shit about the Marvel characters before the MCU. You didn't have crybabies with saggy man-tits shouting, "NAWT MUH IRON MAN!" after each movie. People actually care about the DC characters, so you can't get away with trying something new. Marvel provides just enough mindless entertainment surrounding unknown characters that people just don't care enough to bitch about it. DC characters especially Superman and Batman (including rogues) have been around for decades in super-popular, genre-defining films and shows. To keep these characters fresh you need to change them. That will butthurt some fans and sow discord, and people are a lot more critical with any reboot because it's not fresh.
Counter-Example is WW who is considered fresh simply because people are a lot less familiar with the character, there is less legacy baggage. Same with all the MCU heroes nobody gave a raccoon crap about those before and they can keep them very similar to the comics (counte rexample: Mandarin), so they became the big new thing in CMB film-bubble while Bats and Supes look pretty old, tried and tested.
Same seems to happen with MCU already, the MCU films do not age too well, nobody seems to like the once-hailed IM-trilogy or even the RDJ-IM anymore. But wait until the MCU hype dies down and they try to reboot Iron Man & Co.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 10, 2018 10:15:29 GMT
No one wants to admit this, but it's true: Marvel is better received because no one gave a shit about the Marvel characters before the MCU. You didn't have crybabies with saggy man-tits shouting, "NAWT MUH IRON MAN!" after each movie. People actually care about the DC characters, so you can't get away with trying something new. Marvel provides just enough mindless entertainment surrounding unknown characters that people just don't care enough to bitch about it. That's actually a fair point. The stupid controversy over Man of Steel and Batman killing in BvS was a good example of it. I find it ironic that people who loved Keaton's Batman had issues with Affleck's Batman killing, despite Keaton's Batman brutality killing criminals himself.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 10:33:54 GMT
[/p] Same seems to happen with MCU already, the MCU films do not age too well, nobody seems to like the once-hailed IM-trilogy or even the RDJ-IM anymore. But wait until the MCU hype dies down and they try to reboot Iron Man & Co.
[/quote] Nah, the MCU was a game changer. People aren't satisfied with bare bones archetypes anymore and the DCEU is proof of that. Hell, the Nolan movies wouldn't have done that well in direct competition against the MCU either, they prospered in a time when they were the only major CBMs in town (and why TDKR wasn't as well received, because around then the MCU took off). As for the IM Trilogy, you keep adhering to the outdated idea of standalone trilogies. The IM movies were never a "trilogy" in that sense, given how each film in that trilogy tied to the greater Universe. The MCU isn't slowing down at any rate, and it'll still be here breaking records years from now. People finally realize they want more than flat do-gooders, DC's specialty.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 10, 2018 13:01:50 GMT
Except Guardians was well made and put together, something the DCEU just cannot seem to do. dance off, turd blossom! Didn't know how much craftsmanship it takes to make and put together a piece raccoon shit. Piece, dude. Just stop. Please. There is no way you really believe this crap. It cannot be possible. There is no way a sane human being can say the DCEU makes better films than the MCU. They do not. It should not even be opinionated at this point. At least with FoxMen and the MCU there is legit comparisons to be made. Both make very good movies, for the most part. The DCEU is not even close. It is asinine to me. Why keep defending the terrible movies?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 10, 2018 13:26:26 GMT
No one wants to admit this, but it's true: Marvel is better received because no one gave a shit about the Marvel characters before the MCU. You didn't have crybabies with saggy man-tits shouting, "NAWT MUH IRON MAN!" after each movie. People actually care about the DC characters, so you can't get away with trying something new. Marvel provides just enough mindless entertainment surrounding unknown characters that people just don't care enough to bitch about it. That's actually a fair point. The stupid controversy over Man of Steel and Batman killing in BvS was a good example of it. I find it ironic that people who loved Keaton's Batman had issues with Affleck's Batman killing, despite Keaton's Batman brutality killing criminals himself. or the even stupider controversy regarding Superman killing Zod in MoS, while he did the same in SM 2, but only more sadistic by crushing Zod's hand, and completely without need because Zod was turned a weak human and not about to kill a family and than taking revenge on a fat trucker. Or Superman acting on Reagan's puppet fighting wars for the US killing armies in TDK Returns. But MoS Superman was so out of character.
Ironically, I marvel who starts these obtuse controversies.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 13:51:19 GMT
That's actually a fair point. The stupid controversy over Man of Steel and Batman killing in BvS was a good example of it. I find it ironic that people who loved Keaton's Batman had issues with Affleck's Batman killing, despite Keaton's Batman brutality killing criminals himself. or the even stupider controversy regarding Superman killing Zod in MoS, while he did the same in SM 2, but only more sadistic by crushing Zod's hand, and completely without need because Zod was turned a weak human and not about to kill a family and than taking revenge on a fat trucker. Or Superman acting on Reagan's puppet fighting wars for the US killing armies in TDK Returns. But MoS Superman was so out of character.
Ironically, I marvel who starts these obtuse controversies.
Not sure how serious you are, but Superman kills nobody in that movie. This disingenuous argument has been going around for the past few years in an attempt to defend Man of Steel's murderously ill-conceived ending. The fallacy is its attempt to apply real-world physics and logic to a fanciful situation and context, not to mention willfully ignoring the clear tone and intent of the scene. Those light-hearted moments of victory in Superman II are played as slapstick cartoon comedy, and Zod and company are no more dead than Wile E. Coyote is when he falls off a cliff.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 10, 2018 14:08:26 GMT
or the even stupider controversy regarding Superman killing Zod in MoS, while he did the same in SM 2, but only more sadistic by crushing Zod's hand, and completely without need because Zod was turned a weak human and not about to kill a family and than taking revenge on a fat trucker. Or Superman acting on Reagan's puppet fighting wars for the US killing armies in TDK Returns. But MoS Superman was so out of character.
Ironically, I marvel who starts these obtuse controversies.
Not sure how serious you are, but Superman kills nobody in that movie. This disingenuous argument has been going around for the past few years in an attempt to defend Man of Steel's murderously ill-conceived ending. The fallacy is its attempt to apply real-world physics and logic to a fanciful situation and context, not to mention willfully ignoring the clear tone and intent of the scene. Those light-hearted moments of victory in Superman II are played as slapstick cartoon comedy, and Zod and company are no more dead than Wile E. Coyote is when he falls off a cliff. the marveling has an end at last, that explains sooo much. DC films are not kiddy MCU. Watch again.
Hey, Ronan after being danced off by a magic stone like a turd-blossom bitch started a Dance Off academy together with Bambie's mom.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 15:10:35 GMT
DC films are not kiddy MCU. Yeah, Donner DC is full on Camp, not out of place in a Looney Tunes show. The MCU embraces the wondrous and works for it. Like how Ares was destroyed by magic lightning? At lest the Infinity Stones play a major role in the DCEU while Diana's random Deus Ex Machina powers were forgotten by the DCEU when they really could've used them (Doomsday, Steppenwolf). Such lazy, lazy writing...
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 10, 2018 17:59:49 GMT
Funny thing is, that dance-off made way more sense than the Martha scene in BvS or the tornado scene in MOS or the Joker/Harley torture scene in SS. be careful with the word "sense" Skaathar, it is more revealing than you may intend. "Dance Off, Turd Blossom" is one the silliest and most juvenile final boss defeats in film history, there is nothing else to say about itn (except: hell, the actor made fun of it in Passengers).
"You must save Martha" is silly too but still makes sense, as it's about these different-method vigilantes, the shining quasi-deity and the dark vigilante - resolving their issues over a common cause: Saving the ones they love - and Bats can finally save a mommy, what he failed with as a kid. Super-cheesy but sensible and in line with character backgrounds.
Compare that to the super cringworthy "I don't care, he killed my mom!" in Civil War where middle-aged IM suddenly gets a shoehorned-in mommy conflict and - in the middle of a deadly conflict he tried to mediate - gets a meltdown shooting rockets at Cap and the WS - the latter a man who is a brainwashed victim not responsibe for his actions (!).
One of the worst, forced writings I have ever seen. I find that if you must use mommy issues for grown up characters they should rather be used to unite bickering middle-aged superheroes than make them clobber & punch each other in the face to no end.
Or compare that to "You should not have killed my mom...or squished my walkman!"...ah forget it, the circle is complete.
I rest my case ...
Kinda hard to take your arguments seriously when you obviously haven't watched GOTG. Any person who's watched that movie knows that Ronan wasn't defeated by a dance off. And regardless of how much you try to deny it, there's a reason why the "Martha scene" is one of the most ridiculed scenes in superhero movie history.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 18:37:35 GMT
be careful with the word "sense" Skaathar, it is more revealing than you may intend. "Dance Off, Turd Blossom" is one the silliest and most juvenile final boss defeats in film history, there is nothing else to say about itn (except: hell, the actor made fun of it in Passengers).
"You must save Martha" is silly too but still makes sense, as it's about these different-method vigilantes, the shining quasi-deity and the dark vigilante - resolving their issues over a common cause: Saving the ones they love - and Bats can finally save a mommy, what he failed with as a kid. Super-cheesy but sensible and in line with character backgrounds.
Compare that to the super cringworthy "I don't care, he killed my mom!" in Civil War where middle-aged IM suddenly gets a shoehorned-in mommy conflict and - in the middle of a deadly conflict he tried to mediate - gets a meltdown shooting rockets at Cap and the WS - the latter a man who is a brainwashed victim not responsibe for his actions (!).
One of the worst, forced writings I have ever seen. I find that if you must use mommy issues for grown up characters they should rather be used to unite bickering middle-aged superheroes than make them clobber & punch each other in the face to no end.
Or compare that to "You should not have killed my mom...or squished my walkman!"...ah forget it, the circle is complete.
I rest my case ...
Kinda hard to take your arguments seriously when you obviously haven't watched GOTG. Any person who's watched that movie knows that Ronan wasn't defeated by a dance off. And regardless of how much you try to deny it, there's a reason why the "Martha scene" is one of the most ridiculed scenes in superhero movie history. It's even better. He's fine with WW's magic lightning but he somehow has a problem with GOTG's Infinity Stones.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 10, 2018 18:47:43 GMT
be careful with the word "sense" Skaathar, it is more revealing than you may intend. "Dance Off, Turd Blossom" is one the silliest and most juvenile final boss defeats in film history, there is nothing else to say about itn (except: hell, the actor made fun of it in Passengers).
"You must save Martha" is silly too but still makes sense, as it's about these different-method vigilantes, the shining quasi-deity and the dark vigilante - resolving their issues over a common cause: Saving the ones they love - and Bats can finally save a mommy, what he failed with as a kid. Super-cheesy but sensible and in line with character backgrounds.
Compare that to the super cringworthy "I don't care, he killed my mom!" in Civil War where middle-aged IM suddenly gets a shoehorned-in mommy conflict and - in the middle of a deadly conflict he tried to mediate - gets a meltdown shooting rockets at Cap and the WS - the latter a man who is a brainwashed victim not responsibe for his actions (!).
One of the worst, forced writings I have ever seen. I find that if you must use mommy issues for grown up characters they should rather be used to unite bickering middle-aged superheroes than make them clobber & punch each other in the face to no end.
Or compare that to "You should not have killed my mom...or squished my walkman!"...ah forget it, the circle is complete.
I rest my case ...
Kinda hard to take your arguments seriously when you obviously haven't watched GOTG. Any person who's watched that movie knows that Ronan wasn't defeated by a dance off. And regardless of how much you try to deny it, there's a reason why the "Martha scene" is one of the most ridiculed scenes in superhero movie history. Kinda lame cop out to use straw men deflections when you really have nothing. Your surrender is accepted. As for your deflection, never said the "villain" was defeated by the dance off (just look two posts above my post to ol Samy). In fact it was much worse: He was distracted by the most juvenile dance performance ever AND was then shot by a magic stone (!). Wow, nothing spells out lowbrow kiddy entertainment like that really. Have you ever seen quality children movies like the recent Inside Out or Zootopia? Try the difference.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 10, 2018 18:53:00 GMT
DC films are not kiddy MCU. Yeah, Donner DC is full on Camp, not out of place in a Looney Tunes show. The MCU embraces the wondrous and works for it. Like how Ares was destroyed by magic lightning? At lest the Infinity Stones play a major role in the DCEU while Diana's random Deus Ex Machina powers were forgotten by the DCEU when they really could've used them (Doomsday, Steppenwolf). Such lazy, lazy writing... so you are already trying to deflect from you cosmic blunder above claiming the villains did not die in SM 2...? Thus, years of petty trolling of MoS were compeletely due to your ignorance. How embarrassing (for you), how embarrassing (for you alone)
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 10, 2018 19:10:51 GMT
Kinda hard to take your arguments seriously when you obviously haven't watched GOTG. Any person who's watched that movie knows that Ronan wasn't defeated by a dance off. And regardless of how much you try to deny it, there's a reason why the "Martha scene" is one of the most ridiculed scenes in superhero movie history. Kinda lame cop out to use straw men deflections when you really have nothing. Your surrender is accepted. As for your deflection, never said the "villain" was defeated by the dance off (just look two posts above my post to ol Samy). In fact it was much worse: He was distracted by the most juvenile dance performance ever AND was then shot by a magic stone (!). Wow, nothing spells out lowbrow kiddy entertainment like that really. Have you ever seen quality children movies like the recent Inside Out or Zootopia? Try the difference. There's no deflection here other than yours. You claimed the dance-off was a boss defeat, I pointed out that anyone who watched GOTG knows that Ronan was defeated via infinity stone, not a dance off. So pardon me while I call you out on your falseness.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 10, 2018 19:17:20 GMT
Yeah, Donner DC is full on Camp, not out of place in a Looney Tunes show. The MCU embraces the wondrous and works for it. Like how Ares was destroyed by magic lightning? At lest the Infinity Stones play a major role in the DCEU while Diana's random Deus Ex Machina powers were forgotten by the DCEU when they really could've used them (Doomsday, Steppenwolf). Such lazy, lazy writing... so you are already trying to deflect from you cosmic blunder above claiming the villains did not die in SM 2...?
They didn't. Not if you see it the way Donner did.
This isn't like you and your rejection of Infinity Stone power yet your acceptance or Magic Lightning so Diana didn't have any real struggles in WW. Mainly due to cowardly writers.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 10, 2018 19:39:55 GMT
Kinda lame cop out to use straw men deflections when you really have nothing. Your surrender is accepted. As for your deflection, never said the "villain" was defeated by the dance off (just look two posts above my post to ol Samy). In fact it was much worse: He was distracted by the most juvenile dance performance ever AND was then shot by a magic stone (!). Wow, nothing spells out lowbrow kiddy entertainment like that really. Have you ever seen quality children movies like the recent Inside Out or Zootopia? Try the difference. There's no deflection here other than yours. You claimed the dance-off was a boss defeat, I pointed out that anyone who watched GOTG knows that Ronan was defeated via infinity stone, not a dance off. So pardon me while I call you out on your falseness. ah fair enough, then it's your reading comprehension dear skaathar. I wrote: with the "in quotes" clearly signaling I was referring to the scene as a whole (like later in the post to other scenes like "Martha"), and nowhere indicating that it was the dance off alone defeating the baddie, which is not true: It's much much worse (cough, magic stone, lol, cough). Why would I leave that out, it's as if in "Martha" (scene reference, see?) Batman would finally be swayed by Lois injecting him a motherbox rectally, who could ever leave that out? And it is still a deflection dear skaathar, as the substantive arguments are independent of how you construe the first sentence, you just wanted to shoot back but were to lazy to aim, ne ce pas old chap?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 10, 2018 19:43:40 GMT
so you are already trying to deflect from you cosmic blunder above claiming the villains did not die in SM 2...?
They didn't. Not if you see it the way Donner did.
This isn't like you and your rejection of Infinity Stone power yet your acceptance or Magic Lightning so Diana didn't have any real struggles in WW. Mainly due to cowardly writers. the magic lightning GIF was Yoda you dullard. You know small, wrinkly and green=Yoda; hot, young and brown= Wonder Woman.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Apr 10, 2018 19:45:17 GMT
Can you please not butcher the French language? Thank you.
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Post by Daisy on Apr 10, 2018 19:52:37 GMT
Can you please not butcher the French language? Thank you. You know how to say 'I surrender' in French? 'Bonjour!'
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 10, 2018 20:01:23 GMT
Can you please not butcher the French language? Thank you. calmer le cerveau zombie, on ne peut pas faire une omelette sans casser des œufs, et quand le vin est tiré, il faut le boire. C’est en forgeant que l’on devient forgeron, n'est-ce pas?
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