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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 14:29:44 GMT
You cannot use stats to prove who is the best. Stats can be misleading. You have to use your eyes I used accomplishments first, accolades second, stats third. Personal opinions come in at a distant forth. Montana was better than Brady. I have no doubt of that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 14:59:58 GMT
i think the more interesting debate at this point is team wise - i.e. who was the greatest 'franchise qb' of all-time....
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favre/rodgers
montana/young
and so on down the list....
may seem easy but i'm sure we have our hardcore old school nuts here who rank Bradshaw over Roethlisberger and Staubach over Aikman.........
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Post by damngumby on Jun 2, 2018 16:14:20 GMT
I used accomplishments first, accolades second, stats third. Personal opinions come in at a distant forth. Montana was better than Brady. I have no doubt of that.
By ignoring the fact that Tom Brady wins every single* matchup with Joe Montana, you win the distant 4th place opinion award!* Every. Single. One. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 16:22:02 GMT
Montana was better than Brady. I have no doubt of that.
By ignoring the fact that Tom Brady wins every single* matchup with Joe Montana, you win the distant 4th place opinion award!* Every. Single. One. I really don't care. Montana was better. If I had to pick just QB to win one game, it would be Montana. |
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Post by damngumby on Jun 2, 2018 16:33:02 GMT
Is it possible that Montana won fewer mvps because the caliber of his peers was better than Brady & Manning? I think it tells us that the separation between Montana and his peers was not as great as that of Brady/Manning and their peers. He was just another one of those QBs who peaks for a year or two, drops off, and gets traded. It’s not a stat ... at least, I’m not using it as one. It’s an accomplishment. The ultimate achievement. |
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Post by damngumby on Jun 2, 2018 17:38:05 GMT
By ignoring the fact that Tom Brady wins every single* matchup with Joe Montana, you win the distant 4th place opinion award!* Every. Single. One. I really don't care. Montana was better. If I had to pick just QB to win one game, it would be Montana. I think most fans set their sight a bit higher than winning just one game ... Browns fans excluded. I want a QB that can get my team to the big game as often as possible, throughout a long and productive career ... put them in a position to win all of them ... and take home the bacon, more often than not. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 17:54:20 GMT
I really don't care. Montana was better. If I had to pick just QB to win one game, it would be Montana. I think most fans set their sight a bit higher than winning just one game ... Browns fans excluded. I want a QB that can get my team to the big game as often as possible, throughout a long and productive career ... put them in a position to win all of them ... and take home the bacon, more often than not. Ok. I maintain Montana was better. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 2, 2018 18:48:49 GMT
i think the more interesting debate at this point is team wise - i.e. who was the greatest 'franchise qb' of all-time.... i.e. favre/rodgers montana/young and so on down the list.... may seem easy but i'm sure we have our hardcore old school nuts here who rank Bradshaw over Roethlisberger and Staubach over Aikman......... That's actually a fascinating query, considering as a Patriots fan who still prefers the Drew Bledsoe video game stats as David v NFL Goliaths to the Brady machine will attest. Dan Marino has to be the #1 franchise QB I think. That's saying something because guy never won a title with a franchise with 2 SB rings including 17-0, & he's still in 20 f'n 18 the face of the franchise. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 2, 2018 18:55:03 GMT
i think the more interesting debate at this point is team wise - i.e. who was the greatest 'franchise qb' of all-time.... i.e. favre/rodgers montana/young and so on down the list.... may seem easy but i'm sure we have our hardcore old school nuts here who rank Bradshaw over Roethlisberger and Staubach over Aikman......... That's actually a fascinating query, considering as a Patriots fan who still prefers the Drew Bledsoe video game stats as David v NFL Goliaths to the Brady machine will attest. Dan Marino has to be the #1 franchise QB I think. That's saying something because guy never won a title with a franchise with 2 SB rings including 17-0, & he's still in 20 f'n 18 the face of the franchise. In today’s NFL, Drew Brees puts up 5,000 yards every year, and while he is legitimately great, Stafford and Roethlisberger have done it as well and others came close. Nobody did what Marino did while he was playing. Fouts came close but that’s about it. Marino was essentially Ted Williams - every great stat except the only one that mattered. I blame whoever constructed those Dolphin teams. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 19:18:37 GMT
i think the more interesting debate at this point is team wise - i.e. who was the greatest 'franchise qb' of all-time.... i.e. favre/rodgers montana/young and so on down the list.... may seem easy but i'm sure we have our hardcore old school nuts here who rank Bradshaw over Roethlisberger and Staubach over Aikman......... That's actually a fascinating query, considering as a Patriots fan who still prefers the Drew Bledsoe video game stats as David v NFL Goliaths to the Brady machine will attest. Dan Marino has to be the #1 franchise QB I think. That's saying something because guy never won a title with a franchise with 2 SB rings including 17-0, & he's still in 20 f'n 18 the face of the franchise. somebody should make a post (i don't want to shotgun off this)... who is the greatest franchise QB in each of the 32 teams history. list all 32 teams with choices/options.... i'm sure there'd be some great debates.... not just those mentioned above - i.e. favre/rodgers.....montana/young..... manning/simms perhaps? none of these can ever be 'solved' as it's typically old school vs. new school - but it's always a fun debate which is what this is always about  |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 3, 2018 4:18:33 GMT
I used accomplishments first, accolades second, stats third. Personal opinions come in at a distant forth. Montana was better than Brady. I have no doubt of that.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 3, 2018 4:26:03 GMT
I really don't care. Montana was better. If I had to pick just QB to win one game, it would be Montana. I want a QB that can get my team to the big game as often as possible, throughout a long and productive career ... put them in a position to win all of them ... and take home the bacon, more often than not. I want a QB that can win the big game EVERY time he plays. Take home the bacon, not more often than not, but EVERY time. I want a QB who won't get his ass kicked by an inferior team in the Super Bowl, "not 1, not 2," but 3 TIMES!!!
3 TIMES!!! Think about that!!! 3 TIMES Brady had a superior team in the Super Bowl and choked away the championship. To lose on the game's biggest stage to an inferior team 3 TIMES!!! That's just unfathomable!!!
Montana never lost a Super Bowl. Jordan never lost an NBA Finals. LeBron lost 5 NBA Finals, but only 1 of those 5 losses was to an inferior team. Brady lost the Super Bowl to an inferior team 3 TIMES!!! |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 3, 2018 4:27:43 GMT
I think most fans set their sight a bit higher than winning just one game ... Browns fans excluded. I want a QB that can get my team to the big game as often as possible, throughout a long and productive career ... put them in a position to win all of them ... and take home the bacon, more often than not. Ok. I maintain Montana was better. Agreed. 3 TIMES Brady had a superior team in the Super Bowl and choked away the championship. To lose on the game's biggest stage to an inferior team 3 TIMES!!! That's just unfathomable!!! Montana never lost a Super Bowl. Jordan never lost an NBA Finals. LeBron lost 5 NBA Finals, but only 1 of those 5 losses was to an inferior team. Brady lost the Super Bowl to an inferior team 3 TIMES!!! |
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Post by damngumby on Jun 3, 2018 6:54:59 GMT
I want a QB that can win the big game EVERY time he plays. Here you go ... link
You being a Cowboys fan, I can see how that would be a step up from your current situation.  |
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Post by ctown28 on Jun 3, 2018 14:04:16 GMT
I want a QB that can get my team to the big game as often as possible, throughout a long and productive career ... put them in a position to win all of them ... and take home the bacon, more often than not. I want a QB that can win the big game EVERY time he plays. Take home the bacon, not more often than not, but EVERY time. I want a QB who won't get his ass kicked by an inferior team in the Super Bowl, "not 1, not 2," but 3 TIMES!!!
3 TIMES!!! Think about that!!! 3 TIMES Brady had a superior team in the Super Bowl and choked away the championship. To lose on the game's biggest stage to an inferior team 3 TIMES!!! That's just unfathomable!!!
Montana never lost a Super Bowl. Jordan never lost an NBA Finals. LeBron lost 5 NBA Finals, but only 1 of those 5 losses was to an inferior team. Brady lost the Super Bowl to an inferior team 3 TIMES!!!How many NFC championships did Montana lose? You can hardly claim he wins EVERY big game with his record there. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 3, 2018 14:16:28 GMT
Joe Montana, and I say this while rooting against him most of his career, was the best QB I have ever seen. No doubt. Agreed. I rooted against Montana in every game that he played for the 49ers. But as much as I hate to admit it, when it comes to NFL QBs, Montana was the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be. For someone who can predict the future, you sure are wrong a lot of the time. How old will you be when you lose your virginity? Will it be to Catherine Keener? |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 3, 2018 21:16:31 GMT
How many NFC championships did Montana lose? You can hardly claim he wins EVERY big game with his record there. AFC title game loss to the loser Bills on his resume. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 3, 2018 21:26:03 GMT
How many NFC championships did Montana lose? You can hardly claim he wins EVERY big game with his record there. AFC title game loss to the loser Bills on his resume. The Bills were favorites. There's no shame in losing to a superior team. If LeBron loses the NBA Finals to Golden State, there's no shame because Golden State is the superior team. But losing the Super Bowl to an inferior team that you should've beaten 3 TIMES is just shameful and unfathomable and no QB can ever be in the conversation for GOAT after getting his butt kicked in the Super Bowl by an inferior team 3 TIMES. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 3, 2018 21:38:44 GMT
AFC title game loss to the loser Bills on his resume. The Bills were favorites. There's no shame in losing to a superior team. If LeBron loses the NBA Finals to Golden State, there's no shame because Golden State is the superior team. But losing the Super Bowl to an inferior team that you should've beaten 3 TIMES is just shameful and unfathomable and no QB can ever be in the conversation for GOAT after getting his butt kicked in the Super Bowl by an inferior team 3 TIMES. Stop saying that Brady lost three times to inferior teams. The Eagles were clearly the superior team and beat them with their backup quarterback. They executed better. Pederson proved he belonged there. The entire NFC was stronger than the AFC. So while Vegas thought the Pats were superior, they clearly weren’t. The only time that Pats lost to an inferior team was the 18-1 year. |
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 3, 2018 23:14:02 GMT
I wouldn't have thought the 9-7 Giants who went 2-0 against the Pats in SBs were particularly strong. Agree on the Eagles though. Clearly the best team with the most depth.
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