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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 18, 2018 21:55:56 GMT
Fair enough. Let's ponder another question: Understanding that not everyone can always be saved and sometimes collateral damage will occurs, would you agree that the number of innocent people saved should far outweigh the number of innocent people killed or not saved (i.e. the balance sheet should be positive in favor of the number of innocent people saved)? So is MCU's balance sheet over the 19 movies positive or negative? Well, even if we use the high figure of 329,000 killed, Superman saved 7 billion people so the balance sheet is about 6.671 billion on the positive side. So DCEU's balance sheet over all the movies is positive. is MCU's balance sheet over the 19 movies positive or negative?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 18, 2018 21:58:55 GMT
Well, even if we use the high figure of 329,000 killed, Superman saved 7 billion people so the balance sheet is about 6.671 billion on the positive side. So DCEU's balance sheet over all the movies is positive. is MCU's balance sheet over the 19 movies positive or negative? $2,000,000,000,000!! Holy fucking shit!!! North America should have been plunged into a decades-long depression. Wayne doesn't even have that kind of money. Commissioner Gordon, where's my stimulus package? Hee hee hee...
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Post by scabab on Jun 18, 2018 22:10:21 GMT
So is MCU's balance sheet over the 19 movies positive or negative? It would be positive. Thor saved the people of the universe in Thor Dark World when he stopped Malekith from unleashing the Aether on the Convergence. In Infinity War Thanos wiped out half of the people of the universe. So they'd be in the positive by half the universe just from just that alone. They'd almost all be dead already had not been for Thor. Then the billions here and there thanks to Doctor Strange and Guardians of the Galaxy further extends that.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 18, 2018 22:17:20 GMT
Well, even if we use the high figure of 329,000 killed, Superman saved 7 billion people so the balance sheet is about 6.671 billion on the positive side. So DCEU's balance sheet over all the movies is positive. is MCU's balance sheet over the 19 movies positive or negative? $2,000,000,000,000!! Holy fucking shit!!! North America should have been plunged into a decades-long depression. Wayne doesn't even have that kind of money. Commissioner Gordon, where's my stimulus package? Hee hee hee... GIVE LORD DEATH MAN ECONOMIC RELIEF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!3
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 18, 2018 22:33:24 GMT
$2,000,000,000,000!! Holy fucking shit!!! North America should have been plunged into a decades-long depression. Wayne doesn't even have that kind of money. Commissioner Gordon, where's my stimulus package? Hee hee hee... GIVE LORD DEATH MAN ECONOMIC RELIEF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!3 HEAVEN knows I need it! Hee hee hee...
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 18, 2018 22:52:33 GMT
So this entire thread is bullshit because the Avengers.... wait for it... actually have character flaws that they evolve and learn from throughout the movies. If they were all perfect and saved eveyoeve, DC-Fan would be bitching that there were no stakes. People have to die in order for their to be stakes, and yeah, that means they're not perfect either and have flaws, can be hurt and make mistakes.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 18, 2018 22:55:21 GMT
If they were all perfect and saved eveyoeve, DC-Fan would be bitching that there were no stakes. People have to die in order for their to be stakes
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 19, 2018 2:21:01 GMT
People have to die in order for their to be stakes So you're basically saying there are no stakes in MCU, since everyone who was disintegrated into dust in Infinity War is going to be brought back in Avengers 4.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 19, 2018 2:23:36 GMT
So is MCU's balance sheet over the 19 movies positive or negative? It would be positive. Thor saved the people of the universe in Thor Dark World when he stopped Malekith from unleashing the Aether on the Convergence. In Infinity War Thanos wiped out half of the people of the universe. So they'd be in the positive by half the universe just from just that alone. They'd almost all be dead already had not been for Thor. Then the billions here and there thanks to Doctor Strange and Guardians of the Galaxy further extends that. Hmmm. So basically in the 19 movies of MCU, the population of the entire Universe has been reduced by more than 50%. While in DCEU movies, the population of the entire Universe has been reduced by less than half a million, which is probably just a fraction of a percentage of the total population of the entire Universe.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 19, 2018 4:13:27 GMT
It would be positive. Thor saved the people of the universe in Thor Dark World when he stopped Malekith from unleashing the Aether on the Convergence. In Infinity War Thanos wiped out half of the people of the universe. So they'd be in the positive by half the universe just from just that alone. They'd almost all be dead already had not been for Thor. Then the billions here and there thanks to Doctor Strange and Guardians of the Galaxy further extends that. Hmmm. So basically in the 19 movies of MCU, the population of the entire Universe has been reduced by more than 50%. While in DCEU movies, the population of the entire Universe has been reduced by less than half a million, which is probably just a fraction of a percentage of the total population of the entire Universe. That's pretty much because the DCEU villains completely suck. At least the MCU villains present a challenge.
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Post by dazz on Jun 19, 2018 8:16:28 GMT
8.5 million people saved by the Avengers in their first movie. Not bad, but nowhere as impressive as the 7 billion people saved by Superman in MoS. Except he cannot take credit for that because he is the one who brought them to earth there by making all the destruction his fault, you numb nuts.
As a quick run down of not their fault at all saves here is how the grand lay out of saves kind of works out in the MCU so far.
Thor - Destroys the Bifrost stopping Loki from destroying the Frost Giants, number unknown but given the amount of them seen in a rather small area population of their world should number in the millions.
CA:TFA - Destroys the plane carrying 8 essentially nukes heading for either US cities or allied nation cities either way major cities with millions of people in each, so a low estimate using real world nuke devastation where 1/5 to over 1/3 of Hiroshima's population was killed due to a nuke and NYC 1940 population your talking about low end 1.5 million people, add to that I think Chicago was another target which = about 660k people killed, just from 2 bombs Cap saved over 2 million lives.
Avengers - Tony stops the nuke saving all of NY given the size and devestation of modern nukes safe to say it was the whole city he saved, by shutting down the portal they saved the entire world also, so 7 Billion and change saved.
Thor Dark World - Thor stops Malekith saving the Universe so low end numbers = the trillions easily.
CA:TWS - Stops Hydra's plan of killing millions if not more by destroying the hellicarriers, lets just say they were going to kill 10% of the population that = 700+ million.
GOTG - Guardians stop Ronan destroying Xandar saving supposedly 12 billion lives.
Dr Strange - Saves the world from Dormamu saving billions in the process.
GOTG Vol.2 - Stops ego there by saving hundreds of populated and presumably somewhat advanced worlds like earth, low estimate imo is atleast a trillion people saved.
You could also add Ragnarok & BP to the list but given it was their blood relativbes causing the issue I figure why bother but as it stands now the MCU heroes have saved the entire universe + 1 trillion, 26 billion & 703 million at a low estimate.
Compare that to the DCEU where Superman gets no credit for saving the world because he brought Zod to earth and they are the ones who let Steppenwolf collect the last Motherbox so their wins include stopping Doomsday is only possible because Clark brought Zod to earth so uhoh that doesn't count and WW stopping Aries but if we don't count Thor stopping Hela or T'Challa stopping Killmonger how can we count this?
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 19, 2018 8:23:54 GMT
8.5 million people saved by the Avengers in their first movie. Not bad, but nowhere as impressive as the 7 billion people saved by Superman in MoS. Avengers - Tony stops the nuke saving all of NY given the size and devestation of modern nukes safe to say it was the whole city he saved, by shutting down the portal they saved the entire world also, so 7 Billion and change saved.
No, you can't count 7 billion people saved because the Chitauri had no superpowers and were no threat to destroy the entire world. Heck, all it took was 1 nuclear missile to defeat the entire Chitauri invasion. There are several countries on Earth that have more than just 1 nuclear missile so the Chitauri were never a threat to the entire world or even to the entire country or even to the state of New York.
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Post by dazz on Jun 19, 2018 8:24:43 GMT
she saved the people on the ground No, she didn't. Like I explained in my previous post, if the Avengers hadn't been so reckless to chase Crossbones though a crowded market, then those people on the ground wouldn't have been in danger and wouldn't have needed saving. It would be like if an arsonist set a building with children inside it on fire and then ran into the building to save the children so he could get credit for being a hero and saving the children. Well, the children wouldn't have needed saving if the arsonist hadn't set the building on fire. Likewise, the people on the ground wouldn't have been in danger and wouldn't have needed saving if the Avengers hadn't been so reckless to chase Crossbones through a crowded market. Now if the point made was actually superheroes are meant to do more good than harm then for CW you may have an argument even the revised argument doesn't hold up with infinity War because the Avengers don't cause that problem or are to blame Gamora told Thanos the location of the Soul Stone and Doctor Strange gave Thanos the Time Stone. So they are indeed the to blame for helping Thanos acquire the stones needed to kill more than half the universe. they cannot be held accountable for failing to stop a problem they had no hand in creating 1st, like I said above, they did have a hand in creating the problem by directly helping Thanos acquire the stones needed to kill more than half the universe. 2nd, so you're saying the Avengers shouldn't be held accountable because they failed to get stop Thanos? Aren't the avengers supposed to be "Earth's Mightiest Heroes"? If the Avengers couldn't stop Thanos, then what's the point of having a team of so-called "Mighty" heroes when they're clearly not very "Mighty" at all and they can't get the job done? See once again you prove you cannot make an argument for yourself, your attempt here is laughable because the argument you are trying to steal is MINE, I said it in the very post you are quoting you flaming fucktard, I said Gamora is the only one who can be held accountable for Thanos's success because she actually aided him in his plan.
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And seeing how Gamora is a member of the Guardians my point remains factually accurate, NO AVENGER is too blame for this shit, they fail to stop Thanos but they don't cause, create or aide in the problem, you utter spunk stain.
And my point was you may have an argument in CW if the point made was heroes are meant to do more harm than good, but in IW that doesn't work because in IF they don't cause any of the problems they simply fail to stop them, theres a difference you twat.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 19, 2018 8:33:18 GMT
I said Gamora is the only one who can be held accountable for Thanos's success because she actually aided him in his plan. Now if the point made was actually superheroes are meant to do more good than harm then for CW you may have an argument, but it isn't the argument you made, or the statement you made, the one you made was bollocks, and even the revised argument doesn't hold up with infinity War because the Avengers don't cause that problem or are to blame, had they not got involved results would be the same so they cannot be held accountable for failing to stop a problem they had no hand in creating, the only one at fault in any shape in that regard is Gamora, without her help Thanos would never haver found of been able to obtain the stone, she alone can take blame Doctor Strange gave Thanos the Time Stone so Doctor Strange is also accountable for helping Thanos acquire the stones needed to kill more than half the universe. the rest of them simply fail to beat him they don't cause any of the problems they simply fail to stop them, theres a difference you twat. So you're saying the Avengers shouldn't be held accountable because they failed to get stop Thanos? Aren't the Avengers supposed to be "Earth's Mightiest Heroes"? If the Avengers couldn't stop Thanos, then what's the point of having a team of so-called "Mighty" heroes when they're clearly not very "Mighty" at all and they can't get the job done?
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Post by scabab on Jun 19, 2018 11:50:09 GMT
Hmmm. So basically in the 19 movies of MCU, the population of the entire Universe has been reduced by more than 50%. While in DCEU movies, the population of the entire Universe has been reduced by less than half a million, which is probably just a fraction of a percentage of the total population of the entire Universe. You're moving the goal posts, you asked if it was positive or negative and now because the answer is positive you've gone back to comparing the amount even though the DCEU only has around a quarter of the amount of movies anyway. And because the DCEU has so few movies then naturally it would be a flawed way of looking at it as the DCEU hasn't gotten to the point where they've had such serious threats like that because they've barely got started. So if you actually compared the first 5 MCU movies to the first 5 DCEU movies then it's the latter who would be worse off because more people died in Man of Steel than the first 5 MCU movies put together.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 19, 2018 13:04:47 GMT
People have to die in order for their to be stakes So you're basically saying there are no stakes in MCU, since everyone who was disintegrated into dust in Infinity War is going to be brought back in Avengers 4. Who says everyone is going to be brought back? You don't know that
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 19, 2018 13:08:42 GMT
I said Gamora is the only one who can be held accountable for Thanos's success because she actually aided him in his plan. Now if the point made was actually superheroes are meant to do more good than harm then for CW you may have an argument, but it isn't the argument you made, or the statement you made, the one you made was bollocks, and even the revised argument doesn't hold up with infinity War because the Avengers don't cause that problem or are to blame, had they not got involved results would be the same so they cannot be held accountable for failing to stop a problem they had no hand in creating, the only one at fault in any shape in that regard is Gamora, without her help Thanos would never haver found of been able to obtain the stone, she alone can take blame Doctor Strange gave Thanos the Time Stone so Doctor Strange is also accountable for helping Thanos acquire the stones needed to kill more than half the universe. the rest of them simply fail to beat him they don't cause any of the problems they simply fail to stop them, theres a difference you twat. So you're saying the Avengers shouldn't be held accountable because they failed to get stop Thanos? Aren't the Avengers supposed to be "Earth's Mightiest Heroes"? If the Avengers couldn't stop Thanos, then what's the point of having a team of so-called "Mighty" heroes when they're clearly not very "Mighty" at all and they can't get the job done? If you're going to be a troll, at least be consistent. You're just moving goal posts because you can't come up with an argument
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 19, 2018 13:14:43 GMT
Avengers - Tony stops the nuke saving all of NY given the size and devestation of modern nukes safe to say it was the whole city he saved, by shutting down the portal they saved the entire world also, so 7 Billion and change saved.
No, you can't count 7 billion people saved because the Chitauri had no superpowers and were no threat to destroy the entire world. Heck, all it took was 1 nuclear missile to defeat the entire Chitauri invasion. There are several countries on Earth that have more than just 1 nuclear missile so the Chitauri were never a threat to the entire world or even to the entire country or even to the state of New York. Wow, you fucking moron. Just moving goal posts like a bitch because you can't come up with a good argument. Here's your proof guys of a pathetic troll
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Jun 19, 2018 15:07:58 GMT
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 19, 2018 15:33:08 GMT
No, you can't count 7 billion people saved because the Chitauri had no superpowers and were no threat to destroy the entire world. Heck, all it took was 1 nuclear missile to defeat the entire Chitauri invasion. There are several countries on Earth that have more than just 1 nuclear missile so the Chitauri were never a threat to the entire world or even to the entire country or even to the state of New York. Wow, you fucking moron. Just moving goal posts like a bitch because you can't come up with a good argument. Here's your proof guys of a pathetic troll He's not very bright, is he? If you follow his logic, assuming the Avengers lost the battle of New York, the Chitauri would have somehow been satisfied with occupying the five boroughs of New York and not advancing towards a global takeover with Loki. Loki specifically stated that his goal was to rule over the entire populace of Earth not just New York --- so, by default, the world was in danger. If you look at what Thanos and the Chitauri did to Zen-Whoberi you could have at least expected half of the population of Earth to have been wiped out. The remaining half would have been under Loki's control -- thus, the entire world was in jeopardy.
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