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Post by dazz on Jun 19, 2018 16:26:43 GMT
I said Gamora is the only one who can be held accountable for Thanos's success because she actually aided him in his plan. Now if the point made was actually superheroes are meant to do more good than harm then for CW you may have an argument, but it isn't the argument you made, or the statement you made, the one you made was bollocks, and even the revised argument doesn't hold up with infinity War because the Avengers don't cause that problem or are to blame, had they not got involved results would be the same so they cannot be held accountable for failing to stop a problem they had no hand in creating, the only one at fault in any shape in that regard is Gamora, without her help Thanos would never haver found of been able to obtain the stone, she alone can take blame Doctor Strange gave Thanos the Time Stone so Doctor Strange is also accountable for helping Thanos acquire the stones needed to kill more than half the universe. the rest of them simply fail to beat him they don't cause any of the problems they simply fail to stop them, theres a difference you twat. So you're saying the Avengers shouldn't be held accountable because they failed to get stop Thanos? Aren't the Avengers supposed to be "Earth's Mightiest Heroes"? If the Avengers couldn't stop Thanos, then what's the point of having a team of so-called "Mighty" heroes when they're clearly not very "Mighty" at all and they can't get the job done? Strange gave up the stone because he knew he had to, the one possibility of victory clearly depends on Stark so he knowingly suffered a reversible loss in the moment, basically he did what Brock Lesnar did in his Ironman match with Kurt Angle back in the day, he gave up a point by getting DQ'ed but end result was he smashed Kurt in with a steel chair giving him the advantaqe later on, it's tactical hence why a flaming toss pot like you cant even pretend to fathom it.
Also no they should not be held accountable for CAUSING a fucking problem that was going to happen regardless, do they fail in IW? yes they do but they didn't create the problem, nor did they cause any of the destruction hence you cvant even argue the they did more harm than good argument you MAY and I emphasise the word MAY have to use against them in CW, so please go and get fucked you half wit.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jun 19, 2018 17:39:09 GMT
Civil War Number of people saved by the Avengers = ZERO Number of people killed by the actions of the Avengers = PLENTY (in the building that Scarlet Witch caused the bomb to blow out the side of)
Infinity War Number of people saved by the Avengers = ZERO Number of people killed by the actions of the Avengers = BILLIONS (killed by the Infinity Stones that Gamora and Doctor Strange helped Thanos, whom Starlord helped get free from the Avengers, to acquire) Aren't films about Batman and Superman supposed to be good?
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Post by deembastille on Jun 19, 2018 19:05:42 GMT
Are all superhero threads like this?
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Post by damngumby on Jun 19, 2018 19:10:12 GMT
Hmmm. So basically in the 19 movies of MCU, the population of the entire Universe has been reduced by more than 50%. While in DCEU movies, the population of the entire Universe has been reduced by less than half a million, which is probably just a fraction of a percentage of the total population of the entire Universe. You're moving the goal posts, you asked if it was positive or negative and now because the answer is positive you've gone back to comparing the amount even though the DCEU only has around a quarter of the amount of movies anyway. And because the DCEU has so few movies then naturally it would be a flawed way of looking at it as the DCEU hasn't gotten to the point where they've had such serious threats like that because they've barely got started. So if you actually compared the first 5 MCU movies to the first 5 DCEU movies then it's the latter who would be worse off because more people died in Man of Steel than the first 5 MCU movies put together. Oh man, DC-Fraud is losing this argument big time. Must be time to go vandalize Wikipedia!
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 19, 2018 19:12:58 GMT
Are all superhero threads like this? Yup.
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Post by deembastille on Jun 19, 2018 21:03:03 GMT
Are all superhero threads like this? Yup. posters bitching about anything but the actual thread topic and or title? k. just checking.
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Post by deembastille on Jun 19, 2018 21:38:34 GMT
not enough action on your regular bitchin' haunts ? deembastille figures you'd show up here. i actually answered the question and not that i am butthurt over being ignored, i noticed a lot of bitching back and forth. almost like on some other threads.
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Post by dazz on Jun 19, 2018 22:32:46 GMT
Are all superhero threads like this? No, sometimes we act rather childishly
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 20, 2018 3:53:20 GMT
Wow, you fucking moron. Just moving goal posts like a bitch because you can't come up with a good argument. Here's your proof guys of a pathetic troll He's not very bright, is he? If you follow his logic, assuming the Avengers lost the battle of New York, the Chitauri would have somehow been satisfied with occupying the five boroughs of New York and not advancing towards a global takeover with Loki. Loki specifically stated that his goal was to rule over the entire populace of Earth not just New York --- so, by default, the world was in danger. If you look at what Thanos and the Chitauri did to Zen-Whoberi you could have at least expected half of the population of Earth to have been wiped out. The remaining half would have been under Loki's control -- thus, the entire world was in jeopardy. You MCU fans aren't very bright, are you? The entire world was never in jeopardy from the Chitauri because the Chitauri had no superpowers and were too weak to take over the entire world. Heck, the Chitauri were so weak, they wouldn't have been able to take over the state of New York, never mind the USA or the world. And Loki's goal is completely irrelevant. You don't think Napolean or Hitler had a goal of world conquest or world domination? But no matter how much they wanted world conquest or world domination, they just didn't have the manpower to accomplish that. And neither did Loki, since the Chitauri had no superpowers and were defeated so easily with just 1 nuclear missile. Bottom line: The Chitauri had no superpowers and were not threat at all to take over the state of New York, never mind the USA or the world. So No, the Avengers didn't save 7 billion people in their first movie. Only 1 island of 8 million people. Not bad, but nowhere as impressive as the 7 billion people saved by Superman in MoS.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 20, 2018 3:58:32 GMT
Doctor Strange gave Thanos the Time Stone so Doctor Strange is also accountable for helping Thanos acquire the stones needed to kill more than half the universe. So you're saying the Avengers shouldn't be held accountable because they failed to get stop Thanos? Aren't the Avengers supposed to be "Earth's Mightiest Heroes"? If the Avengers couldn't stop Thanos, then what's the point of having a team of so-called "Mighty" heroes when they're clearly not very "Mighty" at all and they can't get the job done? Strange gave up the stone because he knew he had to, the one possibility of victory clearly depends on Stark And we know that Doctor Strange lied because another possibility of victory was for Thor to chop off Thanos head, which even Thanos admitted Thor should've done. But Thor was selfish and wanted to trash-talk Thanos before killing Thanos, which the Russos admitted was Tor's motivation. they should not be held accountable for CAUSING a fucking problem that was going to happen regardless The problem wasn't going to happen if Thanos hadn't gotten all the Infinity Stones. It was Gamora and Doctor Strange who directly helped Thanos acquire the remaining stones that he needed so they are indeed accountable.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 20, 2018 4:14:25 GMT
He's not very bright, is he? If you follow his logic, assuming the Avengers lost the battle of New York, the Chitauri would have somehow been satisfied with occupying the five boroughs of New York and not advancing towards a global takeover with Loki. Loki specifically stated that his goal was to rule over the entire populace of Earth not just New York --- so, by default, the world was in danger. If you look at what Thanos and the Chitauri did to Zen-Whoberi you could have at least expected half of the population of Earth to have been wiped out. The remaining half would have been under Loki's control -- thus, the entire world was in jeopardy. You MCU fans aren't very bright, are you? The entire world was never in jeopardy from the Chitauri because the Chitauri had no superpowers and were too weak to take over the entire world. Heck, the Chitauri were so weak, they wouldn't have been able to take over the state of New York, never mind the USA or the world. And Loki's goal is completely irrelevant. You don't think Napolean or Hitler had a goal of world conquest or world domination? But no matter how much they wanted world conquest or world domination, they just didn't have the manpower to accomplish that. And neither did Loki, since the Chitauri had no superpowers and were defeated so easily with just 1 nuclear missile. Bottom line: The Chitauri had no superpowers and were not threat at all to take over the state of New York, never mind the USA or the world. So No, the Avengers didn't save 7 billion people in their first movie. Only 1 island of 8 million people. Not bad, but nowhere as impressive as the 7 billion people saved by Superman in MoS. Really? Really? Are you drunk? Yes, you must be. Head back to the bar and have a tall glass of STFU on me.
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Post by dazz on Jun 20, 2018 13:38:25 GMT
Strange gave up the stone because he knew he had to, the one possibility of victory clearly depends on Stark And we know that Doctor Strange lied because another possibility of victory was for Thor to chop off Thanos head, which even Thanos admitted Thor should've done. But Thor was selfish and wanted to trash-talk Thanos before killing Thanos, which the Russos admitted was Tor's motivation. they should not be held accountable for CAUSING a fucking problem that was going to happen regardless The problem wasn't going to happen if Thanos hadn't gotten all the Infinity Stones. It was Gamora and Doctor Strange who directly helped Thanos acquire the remaining stones that he needed so they are indeed accountable. Oh fuck off you twat.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jun 20, 2018 15:29:09 GMT
Civil War Number of people saved by the Avengers = ZERO Number of people killed by the actions of the Avengers = PLENTY (in the building that Scarlet Witch caused the bomb to blow out the side of)
Infinity War Number of people saved by the Avengers = ZERO Number of people killed by the actions of the Avengers = BILLIONS (killed by the Infinity Stones that Gamora and Doctor Strange helped Thanos, whom Starlord helped get free from the Avengers, to acquire) The single biggest flaw with Man of Steel and BvS in my opinion is that Superman never once actively saves a person while dressed as Superman. The most Superman moment in either film is hands down the Oil Rig and he's Hobo Clark at that point. He flies into screen once with a woman from a fire that everyone else is already safe from, and instead of using it to show him as a hero, it is used to focus on peoples' worship of him.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 20, 2018 18:11:45 GMT
Civil War Number of people saved by the Avengers = ZERO Number of people killed by the actions of the Avengers = PLENTY (in the building that Scarlet Witch caused the bomb to blow out the side of)
Infinity War Number of people saved by the Avengers = ZERO Number of people killed by the actions of the Avengers = BILLIONS (killed by the Infinity Stones that Gamora and Doctor Strange helped Thanos, whom Starlord helped get free from the Avengers, to acquire) The single biggest flaw with Man of Steel and BvS in my opinion is that Superman never once actively saves a person while dressed as Superman. The most Superman moment in either film is hands down the Oil Rig and he's Hobo Clark at that point. You must have missed the part when Superman saved Colonel Hardy from an attack by Faora, which made Colonel Hardy realize that "This man is not our enemy." And you must have missed the part when Zod was trying to use his heat vision to kill that family and Superman saved that family by killing Zod. And you must have missed the part when Superman destroyed the World Engine, saving the entire planet from being destroyed.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jun 20, 2018 18:20:08 GMT
The single biggest flaw with Man of Steel and BvS in my opinion is that Superman never once actively saves a person while dressed as Superman. The most Superman moment in either film is hands down the Oil Rig and he's Hobo Clark at that point. You must have missed the part when Superman saved Colonel Hardy from an attack by Faora, which made Colonel Hardy realize that "This man is not our enemy." And you must have missed the part when Zod was trying to use his heat vision to kill that family and Superman saved that family by killing Zod. Ah yes...slamming into the villain in one scene (not taking the human to safety) and murdering the other (again, instead of taking the humans to safety)
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 20, 2018 18:31:29 GMT
You must have missed the part when Superman saved Colonel Hardy from an attack by Faora, which made Colonel Hardy realize that "This man is not our enemy." And you must have missed the part when Zod was trying to use his heat vision to kill that family and Superman saved that family by killing Zod. And you must have missed the part when Superman destroyed the World Engine, saving the entire planet from being destroyed. Ah yes...slamming into the villain in one scene (not taking the human to safety) and murdering the other (again, instead of taking the humans to safety) A save is a save. Instead of making excuses, just admit that you missed those 3 scenes above and admit you were wrong.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jun 20, 2018 18:39:03 GMT
Ah yes...slamming into the villain in one scene (not taking the human to safety) and murdering the other (again, instead of taking the humans to safety) A save is a save. Instead of making excuses, just admit that you missed those 3 scenes above and admit you were wrong. I saw those scenes. And a save is not a save. Punishing a villain is not the same as protecting the innocent. Superman does not directly save anyone in either film outside of Lois Lane. He puts taking out the villains ahead of saving the people. That's not Superman.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 20, 2018 18:56:31 GMT
A save is a save. Instead of making excuses, just admit that you missed those 3 scenes above and admit you were wrong. I saw those scenes. And a save is not a save. Punishing a villain is not the same as protecting the innocent. Superman does not directly save anyone in either film outside of Lois Lane. He puts taking out the villains ahead of saving the people. That's not Superman. 1st, a save is a save. If a armed bank robber is threatening to shoot a hostage and a cop shoots and kills the bank robber before the bank robber can shoot the hostage, that's a save. Just ask the hostage. The hostage will for sure say that the cop saved his life. Like I said, a save is a save. Superman saved Colonel Hardy in 1 scene, saved a family from Zod's heat vision in another scene, and saved the entire planet by destroying the World Engine. So stop making excuses and just admit that you were wrong. 2nd, Superman does directly save people in MoS other than Lois. Superman directly saved 7 billion people in MoS by destroying the World Engine. So stop making excuses and just admit that you were wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 19:14:29 GMT
I saw those scenes. And a save is not a save. Punishing a villain is not the same as protecting the innocent. Superman does not directly save anyone in either film outside of Lois Lane. He puts taking out the villains ahead of saving the people. That's not Superman. 1st, a save is a save. If a armed bank robber is threatening to shoot a hostage and a cop shoots and kills the bank robber before the bank robber can shoot the hostage, that's a save. Just ask the hostage. The hostage will for sure say that the cop saved his life. Like I said, a save is a save. Superman saved Colonel Hardy in 1 scene, saved a family from Zod's heat vision in another scene, and saved the entire planet by destroying the World Engine. So stop making excuses and just admit that you were wrong. 2nd, Superman does directly save people in MoS other than Lois. Superman directly saved 7 billion people in MoS by destroying the World Engine. So stop making excuses and just admit that you were wrong. I think it was Mike Stoklasa of RedLetterMedia that said we need that "direct connect". Even if the hero saves a billion people through their actions, it's not as impactful as seeing them save one lady pushing a baby carriage. I think you need that sort of thing in a superhero movie, especially one about the big blue boy scout. Dark and gritty works with Superman but only when he's the bad guy. And he does save people in MoS. The kids on the bus (I guess), the guys on the oil rig... it just gets overshadowed by all the collateral damage he causes in the climax. It's a problem of tone. Superman saves some people but it's presented like that might not be such a good thing or necessary? I mean, by the end, he's smashing through buildings without any concern for other people and he's even cautioned against doing anything by his dad. It seems like he's been forced into it and just doesn't come off as very heroic. My two cents on it.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 20, 2018 19:41:01 GMT
Fuck that! I want more films where the villain wins! A few of my favorite films where the villain wins: (Off the top of my head) Fallen (1998) The Shining (1980) -- Provided you understand the Overlook Hotel is the villain The Dark Knight (2008) Primal Fear (1996) Arlington Road (1999) Silence of the Lambs (1991) Above Suspicion (1995) The Empire Strikes Back (1980) The Usual Suspects (1995) Seven (1995)
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