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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 22, 2018 8:38:28 GMT
You know how moronic you are, sure a nuke big enough to wipe out Manhattan was enough to take out the entire Chitauri fleet but only because the invasion force was closely packed in around the portal to earth, given how tough the Leviathans were that only the likes of Thor & Hulk could penetrate their armour not even Tony's weapons did much against them, typical munitions wont do much to it either, a nuke may work but the Avengers were the only things keeping the army contained to the city, without them the Chitauri forces would expand out beyond the confines of New York and at that point nukes wont help because for every one you have to use just how much collateral damage are you causing?
Also there was no evidence that the nuke destroyed their fleet iirc it just cut off their communications which turned them off basically, then they quickly shut down the portal cutting off the quick relay between their troops, for all we know the nuke did nothing but the EMP it gives off is what saved the day, and had the Avengers not shut down the portal their communications would have came back on in a matter of minutes.
Either case had the Avengers not been there then the Chitauri forces would have got onto the planet and in such mass numbers and spread out so quickly that there couldn't be an organised response, and they could have appeared anywhere, remember Loki only turns up in NY as an FU to Tony & the Avengers, he could have opened the portal anywhere on earth and had the entire Chitauri forces on earth before anyone knew.
As for AOU doesn't this thinking also disqualify Superman from his MOS world saving as without him then Zod would have never came to earth, never had the ability to resurrect krypton and therefor have no reason to need to terraform the planet, and had he not done this then Luthor could never get her hands on Zod's body and not be able to create Doomsday, and without Doomsday then Superman wouldn't have died and Waller wouldn't have been able to get Task Force X greenlit and Enchantress never would have been unleashed as a threat like she was, and also without Supermans death acting as a dinner bell Steppenwolf wouldn't have known the earth was vulnerable and there by attacked it making the JL stopping him a wash.
So no one in the DCEU gets any credit? because all the problems are created by themselves, except WW, who even herself is kind of responsible for the entire village she saved being killed the next night as opposed to a few people here and there, but she atleast didn't cause the whole Aries problem itself, but then how big a threat was he given even without him the world broke out into WW2 in less time than it takes a baby to grow to a full adult, so that wins not a grandiose one but a kind of modest one really.
In trying to discredit the Avengers in AOU all you did is open the door for an argument that renders the entire DCEU practically worthless, you fucking genius, im surprised DC don't get in contact to tell you to stop defending them because all you do is make things worse.
If the Avengers only saved "1 little island" in the first movie, using the same logic, the Justice League only saved 1 tiny village in Russia --- Pizarnov --- which was mostly abandoned due to the proximity of the nuclear reactor. Total Population: one family of 4. Nope. The JL saved the entire planet because, unlike the Chitauri (who had no superpowers), Steppenwolf was powerful enough and a big enough threat to destroy the world.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 22, 2018 9:20:23 GMT
If the Avengers only saved "1 little island" in the first movie, using the same logic, the Justice League only saved 1 tiny village in Russia --- Pizarnov --- which was mostly abandoned due to the proximity of the nuclear reactor. Total Population: one family of 4. Nope. The JL saved the entire planet because, unlike the Chitauri (who had no superpowers), Steppenwolf was powerful enough and a big enough threat to destroy the world. LMAO!! Justice League saved exactly one abandoned tenement building and a pick-up truck with four people it. Hee hee hee...
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 22, 2018 9:39:35 GMT
DC-Fan is so thirsty to put down the MCU he's just making up random statistics. If you're referring exclusively to the island of Manhattan, there are only 1.5 million people actually living on it. 8.5 million people live in all five boroughs of NYC combined. So the Avengers actually saved less people. 1.5 million instead of 8.5 million. 1.5 million ain't bad, but nowhere as impressive as the 7 billion people saved when Superman destroyed the World Engine. Nah, you don't know how to count, read, research or reason. How does it feel to know you've wasted your whole life on lies and bullshit? You honestly can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality or fact and fiction. You're a radio station tuned in to fake news all day and all night. Keep spinning your little fairy tales, old man. You're almost fucking done and you've got shit to show for it except me and everyone else here handing you your ass. Hee hee hee...
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Post by damngumby on Jun 22, 2018 11:51:28 GMT
like I've said many times before, all it took was 1 nuclear missile to defeat the entire Chitauri invasion force. And since there are a few countries on Earth with more than 1 nuclear missile, the Chitauri were no threat to take over the world. Is this the, “It would only have taken one bullet to kill Hitler, so Hitler really wasn’t much of a threat” argument? It sounds pretty dumb. No wonder you keep repeating it. Is this the, “Since it only took a few machine gun bunkers to nearly repel the Allied invasion of Normandy, that means it would have been easy to contain the Allied forces once they established a foothold in Europe” argument? WWII, I blame bad writing.
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Post by palerider on Jun 22, 2018 11:55:10 GMT
a nuke may work but the Avengers were the only things keeping the army contained to the city, without them the Chitauri forces would expand out beyond the confines of New York Nope, thats false. The Chitauri wouldn't have expanded. If all it took was 6 Avengers (3 of which can't even fly and 1 of which can jump high but can't really fly) to keep hundreds of Chitauri on flying machines contained to 1 neighborhood, then the U.S. Air Force, with plenty of fighter jets can easily keep the Chitauri contained to 1 neighborhood as well. The reason the Chitauri didn't expand wasn't because of hte Avengers. The reason the Chitauri didn't expanded was simply because of bad writing by writers who don't know anything about battle strategy and who expect that the kids who watch MCU films wouldn't question the stupidity of the writing. Also there was no evidence that the nuke destroyed their fleet iirc it just cut off their communications which turned them off basically And once turned off, the Chitauri were completey neutralized and defeated. So like I've said many times before, all it took was 1 nuclear missile to defeat the entire Chitauri invasion force. And since there are a few countries on Earth with more than 1 nuclear missile, the Chitauri were no threat to take over the world. As for AOU doesn't this thinking also disqualify Superman from his MOS world saving as without him then Zod would have never came to earth No, because the Avengers created Ultron. Superman didn't create Zod. Superman brought the Kryptonians to Earth and was the only reason they wanted to terraform Earth. Ultron was the result of an alien energy corrupting a Computer Program.
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Post by deembastille on Jun 22, 2018 12:50:43 GMT
Nope, thats false. The Chitauri wouldn't have expanded. If all it took was 6 Avengers (3 of which can't even fly and 1 of which can jump high but can't really fly) to keep hundreds of Chitauri on flying machines contained to 1 neighborhood, then the U.S. Air Force, with plenty of fighter jets can easily keep the Chitauri contained to 1 neighborhood as well. The reason the Chitauri didn't expand wasn't because of hte Avengers. The reason the Chitauri didn't expanded was simply because of bad writing by writers who don't know anything about battle strategy and who expect that the kids who watch MCU films wouldn't question the stupidity of the writing. And once turned off, the Chitauri were completey neutralized and defeated. So like I've said many times before, all it took was 1 nuclear missile to defeat the entire Chitauri invasion force. And since there are a few countries on Earth with more than 1 nuclear missile, the Chitauri were no threat to take over the world. No, because the Avengers created Ultron. Superman didn't create Zod. Superman brought the Kryptonians to Earth and was the only reason they wanted to terraform Earth. Ultron was the result of an alien energy corrupting a Computer Program. Nooo... Superman's father sent him to Earth to save him from Krypton's demise. Superman was a baby. He had no idea what was going on.
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Post by palerider on Jun 22, 2018 13:09:43 GMT
Superman brought the Kryptonians to Earth and was the only reason they wanted to terraform Earth. Ultron was the result of an alien energy corrupting a Computer Program. Nooo... Superman's father sent him to Earth to save him from Krypton's demise. Superman was a baby. He had no idea what was going on. When he found the Kryptonian ship in the Arctic and activated it, it gave off a beacon Zod detected.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jun 22, 2018 13:37:49 GMT
Would it help I reminded everyone that this is all completely pointless?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 22, 2018 13:58:37 GMT
Would it help I reminded everyone that this is all completely pointless? Absolutely not. Hee hee hee...
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Post by dazz on Jun 22, 2018 14:45:03 GMT
Would it help I reminded everyone that this is all completely pointless? No.
Also not pointless as many of us have made valid points there by making this thread pointful, DC-Fan however makes no valid points therefore is pointless on this board and life in general
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Post by dazz on Jun 22, 2018 15:04:24 GMT
a nuke may work but the Avengers were the only things keeping the army contained to the city, without them the Chitauri forces would expand out beyond the confines of New York Nope, thats false. The Chitauri wouldn't have expanded. If all it took was 6 Avengers (3 of which can't even fly and 1 of which can jump high but can't really fly) to keep hundreds of Chitauri on flying machines contained to 1 neighborhood, then the U.S. Air Force, with plenty of fighter jets can easily keep the Chitauri contained to 1 neighborhood as well. The reason the Chitauri didn't expand wasn't because of hte Avengers. The reason the Chitauri didn't expanded was simply because of bad writing by writers who don't know anything about battle strategy and who expect that the kids who watch MCU films wouldn't question the stupidity of the writing. Also there was no evidence that the nuke destroyed their fleet iirc it just cut off their communications which turned them off basically And once turned off, the Chitauri were completey neutralized and defeated. So like I've said many times before, all it took was 1 nuclear missile to defeat the entire Chitauri invasion force. And since there are a few countries on Earth with more than 1 nuclear missile, the Chitauri were no threat to take over the world. As for AOU doesn't this thinking also disqualify Superman from his MOS world saving as without him then Zod would have never came to earth No, because the Avengers created Ultron. Superman didn't create Zod. Stark specifically took out Chitauri who were breaking from the confines of the immediate area, their goal seems clear arrive destroy move on, but the Avengers both confined and contained their numbers as best they could reducing the damage they could do and keeping them isolated as much as possible, without these the invasion would have spread far quicker, and as I said they only knew where they were to begin with because Stark figured out Loki would use Stark Tower as an FU to him and the Avengers meaning S.H.I.E.L.D knew where they were and could respond quicker than normal to the invasion.
And the nuke cut off communications for all we know which could have been re-established quickly but the portal got closed down cutting them off from said communications there by rendering them inert for a prolonged period of time, had the entire Chitauri forces got through and spread including whatever was possibly sending out the control signal then even if a nuke knocked out comms if it could be fixed and the nukes did little to no actual physical damage then the world was fucked because there would be no way to knock out comms long term and every short term shut down would require a huge nuke to do so, we'd fry the fucking planet before stopping them.
The nuke saving the day was meh writing but given we are given little to no context in how it saves the day, did it blow the fleet up? unlikely given how tough their Leviathans alone were, did it perminantly disable them due to EMP and other shit? maybe, or was it a temporary fix that the Avengers capitalised on? again maybe but more than likely given how otherwise they are rather useless as an invasion force, also given they seem to be the same forces Thanos had used to conquer far more advanced worlds before he got the infinity stones the likely hood earth weapons being able to long term disable them seems unlikely.
Loki alone is strong enough to bring the world to it's knee's he can kill anyone and withstand pretty much anything they can throw at him, once he had the staff if the Chitauri are so weak as you assume why call upon them why not just enslave people and take over the world on his own? he can create his own army in a matter of hours and have the earths own resources at his disposal so clearly him using the Chitauri means they are far more deadly than you suggest.
Superman brought Zod to earth and gave Zod the reason he needed to terraform earth, if Superman hadn't drawn his attention the earth would have never been in danger, and the Avengers didn't actually make Ultron they made the base for it but Loki's staff/ the mind stone is what created Ultron, it's not like in the comics where Ultron is an actual finished product of a scientist who simply didn't recognise the flaw it his creations programming.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jun 22, 2018 16:49:54 GMT
Would it help I reminded everyone that this is all completely pointless? No.
Also not pointless as many of us have made valid points there by making this thread pointful, DC-Fan however makes no valid points therefore is pointless on this board and life in general
We're talking about superhero movies, it is completely pointless.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 22, 2018 17:46:15 GMT
No.
Also not pointless as many of us have made valid points there by making this thread pointful, DC-Fan however makes no valid points therefore is pointless on this board and life in general
We're talking about superhero movies, it is completely pointless. Have to agree, it is kind of hilarious watching people throw out imaginary numbers, about imaginary people, doing imaginary things.
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Post by deembastille on Jun 22, 2018 18:46:57 GMT
Nooo... Superman's father sent him to Earth to save him from Krypton's demise. Superman was a baby. He had no idea what was going on. When he found the Kryptonian ship in the Arctic and activated it, it gave off a beacon Zod detected. And where did you read that from? What type media? Who gives a shit? You all are arguing about imahinary battles and dudes who wear their underwear outside of their clothes.
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Post by palerider on Jun 22, 2018 19:21:52 GMT
When he found the Kryptonian ship in the Arctic and activated it, it gave off a beacon Zod detected. And where did you read that from? What type media? Zod said so.
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Post by deembastille on Jun 22, 2018 19:42:27 GMT
And where did you read that from? What type media? Zod said so. And who the shit is zod? We know about kal-el and Krypton because we SAW it.
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Post by dazz on Jun 23, 2018 3:07:36 GMT
We're talking about superhero movies, it is completely pointless. Have to agree, it is kind of hilarious watching people throw out imaginary numbers, about imaginary people, doing imaginary things. So says you, a supposed squid man who is also a dark lord of the sith….hmm curious.
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Post by dazz on Jun 23, 2018 3:10:34 GMT
No.
Also not pointless as many of us have made valid points there by making this thread pointful, DC-Fan however makes no valid points therefore is pointless on this board and life in general
We're talking about superhero movies, it is completely pointless. are we talking the topic or the thread? two separate things imo, the topic is pointless but then what on the internet isn't pointless you know, but like I said the thread contains many points it therefor cannot be pointless, it can be useless, fruitless, meaningless, meritless even sexless but pointless? I think not...hehehe.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 23, 2018 20:57:07 GMT
Nooo... Superman's father sent him to Earth to save him from Krypton's demise. Superman was a baby. He had no idea what was going on. When he found the Kryptonian ship in the Arctic and activated it, it gave off a beacon Zod detected. Superman didn't know anything about Krypton or Zod before he found the ship. Tony Stark knew full well the power and destruction that Ultron was capable of and was even warned not to create Ultron, but Stark ignored the warnings and still created Ultron.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 23, 2018 20:57:51 GMT
Superman brought the Kryptonians to Earth and was the only reason they wanted to terraform Earth. Ultron was the result of an alien energy corrupting a Computer Program. Nooo... Superman's father sent him to Earth to save him from Krypton's demise. Superman was a baby. He had no idea what was going on. That's correct. Superman didn't know anything about Krypton or Zod before he found the ship. Tony Stark knew full well the power and destruction that Ultron was capable of and was even warned not to create Ultron, but Stark ignored the warnings and still created Ultron.
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