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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 16, 2018 21:34:06 GMT
... fault. Can't have your cake and eat it too. There is an important difference between being "logical" and being "simple."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 21:43:02 GMT
... fault. Can't have your cake and eat it too. There is an important difference between being "logical" and being "simple." You demonstrate that on a regular basis.
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Post by phludowin on Sept 16, 2018 21:44:28 GMT
Check it out. This chump The Herald Erjen is trying to say that two is not a prime number. A nonsensical statement? Yes. As nonsensical as the one that I have quoted. I said two is not a prime number? I said that? How would I know? I didn't say so. But if you believe that I said that you said it, then your reading comprehension is even worse than I thought.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 16, 2018 21:45:07 GMT
There is an important difference between being "logical" and being "simple." You demonstrate that on a regular basis. How would you know?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 21:46:58 GMT
You demonstrate that on a regular basis. How would you know? Are you gonna continue to run from the point, or are you gonna address it?
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 16, 2018 22:36:37 GMT
Are you gonna continue to run from the point, or are you gonna address it? Your posts are notoriously undeserving of any response, but to repeat the common responses ... The website you link that is supposed to show "contradictions" in the Bible does not. All it really shows is that the stories are remarkably more complicated than you appear able to grasp. How many people some "Hachmonite" (1) or other slew at "one time" or other is not necessarily going to be the same number. A small child could understand that. Whether people are "justified" by faith or works (2) can depend as well. The workman deserves his wages. However faith is necessary to guide which works are in the will of the divine. I could do the same thing for all claims of contradictions on that site, but that would be a waste of time seeing at the outset that your expectations are too simple and therefore misguided in each and every case. Perhaps pick one you think I could not similarly dismiss. I suppose an argument could be made for your expectation of comprehensive data in the Bible. It could not be a very good one though. It is a small book compared for example to the history or philosophy sections of the library. It cannot contain examples of every possible scenario. It necessarily must select partial data and examples. Not being a comprehensive list of everything ever it becomes somewhat immune to your claims of "contradictions." The first and most important thing you need to understand about the Bible is that nowhere in it does it promise to be the comprehensive guide you seem to expect. God never promised to send any Bible. He promised to send a "prophet" (or prophets) that could be inspired on the spot of any particular development. Your confusion about whose will anything is also results from your mental limitations and expectations of simplicity. You appear new to the concept of relevance and a terrible judge of it. In some manner of speaking it "all" began with a god, but that does not mean a god could not possibly create other independent agencies whose choices were ultimately their own. Now you may claim that such an act of creating such free agencies is the "fault" of the god, but that is not relevant. They are in many cases and systems still held accountable for their bad choices anyway and your defense of them is wasted.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Sept 16, 2018 23:10:18 GMT
... fault. Can't have your cake and eat it too. If our discussion is presuming a God, then an afterlife/eternity is also on the table. So what little things are you so eager to find fault in when even a hundred years of pure suffering is nothing when measured against the vastness of eternity and a reality beyond death? Your argument is not logical.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 17, 2018 0:22:23 GMT
I said two is not a prime number? I said that? How would I know? I didn't say so. But if you believe that I said that you said it, then your reading comprehension is even worse than I thought. Whatever.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 17, 2018 0:29:00 GMT
Whatever you have to tell yourself, gay boy. So now it is about finding any bigoted and ridiculous insult you can, because you HAVE been pegged Bucky. Yeah! I'm sure Jesus will be real impressed with you. So now you're saying you believe in Jesus?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 10:45:44 GMT
Check it out. This chump is trying to say everything that happens is God's will. Didn't notice him use the word "if" there, huh?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 17, 2018 11:45:11 GMT
... fault. Can't have your cake and eat it too. 2nd time in a few days you've said something that makes no sense.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:00:45 GMT
... fault. Can't have your cake and eat it too. If our discussion is presuming a God, then an afterlife/eternity is also on the table. Non sequitur Yet you haven't demonstrated how it isn't. It's actually 100% logical.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:03:44 GMT
... fault. Can't have your cake and eat it too. 2nd time in a few days you've said something that makes no sense. You people keep saying that... as if this is some sort of rebuttal. It's incredibly simple and makes perfect sense.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Sept 17, 2018 13:06:45 GMT
If our discussion is presuming a God, then an afterlife/eternity is also on the table. Non sequitur Yet you haven't demonstrated how it isn't. It's actually 100% logical. No, it isn't a 'Non sequitur'. You don't make an argument about how God doesn't care about suffering without putting that suffering into the context you've created by presuming 'God'. IF there is 'God', death is not the end. 'God' and afterlife go together. You don't get to separate them to make a stupid point, they are inseparable. Perhaps there has been some culture somewhere that has professed a belief in 'God' but not in any afterlife, but I'm not aware of any. So your 'argument' is illogical. A hundred years of profound suffering would still be nothing compared with the vastness of eternity or the reality of impermanent death. This isn't a debate, it's simple logic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:13:08 GMT
Your confusion about whose will anything is also results from your mental limitations and expectations of simplicity. You appear new to the concept of relevance and a terrible judge of it. In some manner of speaking it "all" began with a god, but that does not mean a god could not possibly create other independent agencies whose choices were ultimately their own. Ah, I do miss Arlon's word salads... thing is, one meal and you've had enough for the year. There is no confusion... it's literally a reasonable single sentence statement that holds up linguistically as well as logically. Well, when they rewrite the bible to include that you'll have a point. You're basically saying god can be surprised, and those choices weren't something of god's will. Is there any choice you make that you feel is 'ultimately your own' not of god's will, Arlon?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:13:50 GMT
Non sequitur Yet you haven't demonstrated how it isn't. It's actually 100% logical. No, it isn't a 'Non sequitur'. You don't make an argument about how God doesn't care about suffering without putting that suffering into the context you've created by presuming 'God'. There is no mention about caring, suffering, etc. in the OP. You're deflecting... badly. Can you walk and chew gum? Is it not possible to discuss god's will independent of whatever it is you appear to wish to discuss? Go on, create your own thread about an afterlife... this one is about god's will
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Post by OldSamVimes on Sept 17, 2018 13:18:53 GMT
No, it isn't a 'Non sequitur'. You don't make an argument about how God doesn't care about suffering without putting that suffering into the context you've created by presuming 'God'. There is no mention about caring, suffering, etc. in the OP. You're deflecting... badly. Can you walk and chew gum? Is it not possible to discuss god's will independent of whatever it is you appear to wish to discuss? Go on, create your own thread about an afterlife... this one is about god's will So you want to discuss 'God's will' with no context of eternity or afterlife.. even though they are inseparable? Sounds fucking stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:27:13 GMT
There is no mention about caring, suffering, etc. in the OP. You're deflecting... badly. Can you walk and chew gum? Is it not possible to discuss god's will independent of whatever it is you appear to wish to discuss? Go on, create your own thread about an afterlife... this one is about god's will So you want to discuss 'God's will' with no context of eternity or afterlife.. even though they are inseparable? Something's wrong with you... really. Does god's will exist... yes or no?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:28:03 GMT
Check it out. This chump is trying to say everything that happens is God's will. Seriously. Anyone who says that isn't acknowledging free will that we have. Is every action you take god's will or not?
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Post by OldSamVimes on Sept 17, 2018 13:33:23 GMT
So you want to discuss 'God's will' with no context of eternity or afterlife.. even though they are inseparable? Something's wrong with you... really. Does god's will exist... yes or no? LOL I'm certainly qualified to give you a definitive answer! Good one bro. I can tell you're joking because you failed to define 'God', and it means different things depending on who you're talking to.
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