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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 20, 2018 22:15:43 GMT
So it has come to your attention at last that if a thirty year old commits a crime, his parents are not legally responsible. Whether he actually has a free will or not is irrelevant, because society treats him as if he did have the choice rather than his parents. What you think of me or yourself doesn't really matter then. Does it? Are you actually, in some physiological capacity, incapable of engaging in a debate without constructing a strawman? If you worried less about my addressing your arguments and more about you addressing mine, that would be fine by me. |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 20, 2018 22:18:33 GMT
Are you actually, in some physiological capacity, incapable of engaging in a debate without constructing a strawman? If you worried less about my addressing your arguments and more about you addressing mine, that would be fine by me. >sigh<
Yes, Arlon. You have successfully won this war of nattering attrition. Congratulations.
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Post by looking4klingons on Sept 20, 2018 22:59:18 GMT
... fault. Can't have your cake and eat it too. No, your premise is wrong. Sorry. Why would Jesus tell us to pray for ' God's will to be done', if it already was being done? Contrary to what many believe, the Bible says the Devil is ruling the world. - John 12:31 Isn't it obvious? |
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Post by looking4klingons on Sept 20, 2018 23:05:24 GMT
IF god created the universe, then it created everything in it and is responsible for that depending a little on how much you think it knew things were going to turn out, IF god is omnipresent (with no limit on the passage of time) then yes everything God did was done in the knowledge that it would cause bad things in the end (at least from our point of view). But the bottom line is that IF you believe God created everything, then at the end of the day God is responsible for everything, you just need to assign culpability based on how much you think God is in control. Well, I wouldn't worry about it too much. If bad things are happening to you, I'm sorry to hear that....but it'll only last 70 to 90 years; minus the years you've already lived, of course. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 21, 2018 0:03:08 GMT
... fault. Can't have your cake and eat it too. No, your premise is wrong. Sorry. Why would Jesus tell us to pray for ' God's will to be done', if it already was being done? Contrary to what many believe, the Bible says the Devil is ruling the world. - John 12:31 Isn't it obvious? I wish I'd said that, but thank you for saying it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 3:37:07 GMT
... fault. Can't have your cake and eat it too. No, your premise is wrong. Sorry. Why would Jesus tell us to pray for ' God's will to be done', if it already was being done? Because Jesus isn't listening to god? Because Jesus has a different opinion than god? Because Jesus is a callous sort of youth upset with dad making him go to the manger before bedtime? Because Jesus says something totally different at another time? Because the point is the bible doesn't agree with the bible? Because the people that wrote what they think Jesus said don't care what the people that wrote what they think god said? Jesus, this could go on for days. Well then, god's one piss poor manager. |
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Post by looking4klingons on Sept 21, 2018 5:25:53 GMT
No, your premise is wrong. Sorry. Why would Jesus tell us to pray for ' God's will to be done', if it already was being done? Because Jesus isn't listening to god? Because Jesus has a different opinion than god? Because Jesus is a callous sort of youth upset with dad making him go to the manger before bedtime? Because Jesus says something totally different at another time? Because the point is the bible doesn't agree with the bible? Because the people that wrote what they think Jesus said don't care what the people that wrote what they think god said? Jesus, this could go on for days. Well then, god's one piss poor manager. I could teach you, but obviously, you have bias and no desire to learn the truth. IOW, I’d be wasting my time. Right? just in case I’m wrong, carefully read Genesis 3:1-19. If you can tell me what issues were raised for God to deal with, I might be willing to discuss it with you. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 15:20:37 GMT
I could teach you, but obviously, you have bias and no desire to learn the truth. IOW, I’d be wasting my time. The 'ole 'you just wouldn't understand' fallacy. If everything is god's will and god's plan... the issues were created by god. That passage literally confirms god made the serpent. That's pretty fuckin' poor planning if you ask me. |
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Post by goz on Sept 23, 2018 21:28:06 GMT
Because Jesus isn't listening to god? Because Jesus has a different opinion than god? Because Jesus is a callous sort of youth upset with dad making him go to the manger before bedtime? Because Jesus says something totally different at another time? Because the point is the bible doesn't agree with the bible? Because the people that wrote what they think Jesus said don't care what the people that wrote what they think god said? Jesus, this could go on for days. Well then, god's one piss poor manager. I could teach you, but obviously, you have bias and no desire to learn the truth. IOW, I’d be wasting my time. Right? just in case I’m wrong, carefully read Genesis 3:1-19. If you can tell me what issues were raised for God to deal with, I might be willing to discuss it with you. What is the 'truth' and how do you know it is the 'truth'? |
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 23, 2018 21:59:20 GMT
goz
I know that it is the truth because whenever I speak about GOD, my nose does NOT grow.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 24, 2018 22:43:25 GMT
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I know that it is the truth because whenever I speak about GOD, my nose does NOT grow.
I really hope that was meant to be a joke, but since the die-hard Christian is impervious to irony, you can never be fully sure. |
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Post by looking4klingons on Sept 25, 2018 0:15:30 GMT
I could teach you, but obviously, you have bias and no desire to learn the truth. IOW, I’d be wasting my time. The 'ole 'you just wouldn't understand' fallacy. If everything is god's will and god's plan... the issues were created by god. That passage literally confirms god made the serpent. That's pretty fuckin' poor planning if you ask me. See? I was right. |
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Post by goz on Sept 25, 2018 0:24:35 GMT
The 'ole 'you just wouldn't understand' fallacy. If everything is god's will and god's plan... the issues were created by god. That passage literally confirms god made the serpent. That's pretty fuckin' poor planning if you ask me. See? I was right. Congratulations. You are once of the best circular reasoners on this board. Logical people 'don't understand' because it is not possible to understand what is mumbo jumbo, made up man made to suit their prior belief and therefore is illogical nonsense. |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Sept 25, 2018 0:46:00 GMT
I could teach you, but obviously, you have bias and no desire to learn the truth. IOW, I’d be wasting my time. The 'ole 'you just wouldn't understand' fallacy. If everything is god's will and god's plan... the issues were created by god. That passage literally confirms god made the serpent. That's pretty fuckin' poor planning if you ask me.If you look upon the Universe as a drama, the way some religions do, then it's fantastic planning. In order to have a great drama worth investing in, you need a great villain. |
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