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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:39:05 GMT
Something's wrong with you... really. Does god's will exist... yes or no? LOL I'm certainly qualified to give you a definitive answer! Good one bro. I can tell you're joking because you failed to define 'God', and it means different things depending on who you're talking to. Dude, back off on the dose. I do not have to define god entirely, I've defined the quality being discussed with 'If everything is god's will... ' Answer my question, does god's will exist... regardless of one's definition of god, YES or NO? |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Sept 17, 2018 13:43:41 GMT
LOL I'm certainly qualified to give you a definitive answer! Good one bro. I can tell you're joking because you failed to define 'God', and it means different things depending on who you're talking to. Dude, back off on the dose. I do not have to define god entirely, I've defined the quality being discussed with 'If everything is god's will... ' Answer my question, does god's will exist... regardless of one's definition of god, YES or NO? You don't think the definition of 'God' matters? I don't think of 'God' as a person. It's like asking 'Does the will of the Ocean exist'? Does that answer your question? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:51:48 GMT
Dude, back off on the dose. I do not have to define god entirely, I've defined the quality being discussed with 'If everything is god's will... ' Answer my question, does god's will exist... regardless of one's definition of god, YES or NO? You don't think the definition of 'God' matters? Not for this subject... this appears to be beyond your capacity to comprehend. I don't know of anyone that thinks of god as a 'person'. If your intent is to convey you don't think of god as a conscious entity with a will, that's great... and you're probably in this thread for no reason other than your own loneliness or insecurity. Let's roll with that... my answer is 'no'. That was easy. No, unless your answer is also 'no'... at which point I'll direct you back to my comment above about why you're in a thread you care nothing about in the first place. |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Sept 17, 2018 14:32:48 GMT
I thought your thread was silly.. directed at a demographic that I don't think exists. I've never met anyone who thought God was making them do everything but at the same time blamed God for all their actions. How many people do you know like that? |
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Post by phludowin on Sept 17, 2018 14:52:05 GMT
Check it out. This chump is trying to say everything that happens is God's will. Didn't notice him use the word "if" there, huh? Exactly. That's what I was getting at with the number 2 being a prime number. Suppose I made the following statement: "If 2 is not a prime number, then the Goldbach conjectures are false." This is a true statement. Because if two wasn't prime, there would be no way to represent 4 as the sum of two prime numbers, or 7 as the sum of three prime numbers. Note: One is not a prime number. Everybody who didn't flunk math classes should know that. But the thing is: Two is a prime number. Therefore the condition for my statement is not met, and therefore my statement doesn't say anything about the Goldbach conjectures. To say that making a conditional statement (an "if"-clause) means assuming the if-condition as true is bad logic. There's probably a name for this type of fallacy. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 14:57:40 GMT
I thought your thread was silly.. directed at a demographic that I don't think exists. Then, you're here for... what reason, exactly? |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Sept 17, 2018 15:03:12 GMT
I thought your thread was silly.. directed at a demographic that I don't think exists. Then, you're here for... what reason, exactly? Not sure. Re-reading the OP it's obvious you didn't put any thought into this thread. I even read stuff into your OP, I guess because there was so little to go on. My mistake. Live and learn. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 15:06:21 GMT
Then, you're here for... what reason, exactly? Not sure. Re-reading the OP it's obvious you didn't put any thought into this thread. I even read stuff into your OP, I guess because there was so little to go on. My mistake. Live and learn. So you came into the thread to insult it, for your lack of interest or 'belief' in the glaringly obvious subject material. Take your passive aggressive pisswater elsewhere next time. |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Sept 17, 2018 15:07:30 GMT
Not sure. Re-reading the OP it's obvious you didn't put any thought into this thread. I even read stuff into your OP, I guess because there was so little to go on. My mistake. Live and learn. So you came into the thread to insult it, for your lack of interest or 'belief' in the glaringly obvious subject material. Take your passive aggressive pisswater elsewhere next time. Sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 15:49:47 GMT
Didn't notice him use the word "if" there, huh? Exactly. That's what I was getting at with the number 2 being a prime number. Suppose I made the following statement: "If 2 is not a prime number, then the Goldbach conjectures are false." This is a true statement. Because if two wasn't prime, there would be no way to represent 4 as the sum of two prime numbers, or 7 as the sum of three prime numbers. Note: One is not a prime number. Everybody who didn't flunk math classes should know that. But the thing is: Two is a prime number. Therefore the condition for my statement is not met, and therefore my statement doesn't say anything about the Goldbach conjectures. To say that making a conditional statement (an "if"-clause) means assuming the if-condition as true is bad logic. It's basic common sense. There are even sayings emphasising it - "if wishes were horses, beggars would ride." If your response to that is "You're saying wishes are horses!" then sorry, but you're just demonstrating that you're a fucking moron. If. Erjen's law of moronic idiocy? |
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Post by kls on Sept 17, 2018 19:37:41 GMT
Seriously. Anyone who says that isn't acknowledging free will that we have. Is every action you take god's will or not? No, since I'm human and not perfect. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 17, 2018 19:43:58 GMT
I thought your thread was silly.. directed at a demographic that I don't think exists. Then, you're here for... what reason, exactly? That's a silly question. After all, you may be the only person here who thinks something as silly as everything everything does is God's will. Even from the standpoint of someone thinking God is responsible for everything bad on the basis of allowance, no one is goofy enough to think allowance is the same thing as will. I imagine this is where the cherry picking begins.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 23:52:18 GMT
Is every action you take god's will or not? No, since I'm human and not perfect. Then you don't believe all that occurs is god's will... yes? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 0:00:24 GMT
Then, you're here for... what reason, exactly? That's a silly question. No, it's a rhetorical question. He was here to demonstrate how silly it was for him to be here. Uhm, other responses have negated this, and I don't think everything is god's will... but if everything is, it's his fault as well. When you can evidence the error in that simple statement you let me know, 'k? |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 18, 2018 2:10:27 GMT
Your confusion about whose will anything is also results from your mental limitations and expectations of simplicity. You appear new to the concept of relevance and a terrible judge of it. In some manner of speaking it "all" began with a god, but that does not mean a god could not possibly create other independent agencies whose choices were ultimately their own. Ah, I do miss Arlon's word salads... thing is, one meal and you've had enough for the year. There is no confusion... it's literally a reasonable single sentence statement that holds up linguistically as well as logically. Well, when they rewrite the bible to include that you'll have a point. You're basically saying god can be surprised, and those choices weren't something of god's will. Is there any choice you make that you feel is 'ultimately your own' not of god's will, Arlon? Are you asking on behalf of a nine year old, or is that how old you are? There are some things I would not do. I would not do them because I would find them deplorable and I suppose God would too. I have no plans to defy God. Those aside there are quite a lot of possibilities. I am not certain which of those God would prefer, if any, so I more or less have to decide on my own. I suppose there are people who do defy god by their deplorable actions. Many people do things I would not. If you are asking if those people are acting in God's will I would have to say I don't believe they are. I think I could set my arm on fire if I made up my mind to do that, it's just not something I am going to do. I remember reading an article in a magazine when I was young about some monks who set their arms on fire to "celebrate" the arrival of one of their spiritual leaders. Weird that, huh? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 3:27:45 GMT
Are you asking on behalf of a nine year old, or is that how old you are? I want you to read that out loud and consider if that remedial attempt was worthy of even your devolved acumen. Arlon, I genuinely appreciate the genuine response... though it isn't necessarily an answer to the question. Are any of those actions you 'decide of your own' not of God's will? Of course. There are many that act with a bona fide intention to defy God... but are their actions beyond what God planned, intended, or willed? The point still stands, if all actions are indeed God's will, then all occurrences are indeed god's fault. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 18, 2018 4:09:17 GMT
Are you asking on behalf of a nine year old, or is that how old you are? I want you to read that out loud and consider if that remedial attempt was worthy of even your devolved acumen. Arlon, I genuinely appreciate the genuine response... though it isn't necessarily an answer to the question. Are any of those actions you 'decide of your own' not of God's will? Of course. There are many that act with a bona fide intention to defy God... but are their actions beyond what God planned, intended, or willed? The point still stands, if all actions are indeed God's will, then all occurrences are indeed god's fault. If a seven year old steals something from a shop, whose "fault" is that? Most people would answer it's the parents fault for not watching the child. At some point though, the child will be old enough that the parents will not be blamed. You seem to think you have "proved" that a god is to "blame" for the things humans do. Like anyone is going to say, "Why didn't we think of that?" You aren't really asking a question, you just want me to "admit" that a god must be to blame for anything. I suppose in a similar manner to parents being to blame for their children, a god might be to blame. As I said elsewhere though that is not relevant. Children are free agents of their parents at some point as likely are humans free agents of a god. Society holds free agents responsible for their choices. It always has and always will. No one is ever going to care what you think about it. Who are you to write cosmic laws anyway? You have an obvious mental deficiency. No, you cannot be more "fair" about it. You haven't enough sense to run a hot dog stand, much less the universe. Let's say just for the sake of saying that a god is to blame for anything. What could you do about it? Answer that question please. It's not like you're going to be running anything but your stupid mouth. |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Sept 18, 2018 15:24:54 GMT
I was a jerk in this thread.
I misunderstood the question but pushed forward anyway. I have no excuses for my obnoxious behavior, except my obnoxious personality.
Sorry Mr @eddyhops.
I didn't want to write this apology.. but alas it was God's will and I could not refuse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 15:38:34 GMT
If a seven year old steals something from a shop, whose "fault" is that? Most people would answer it's the parents fault for not watching the child. At some point though, the child will be old enough that the parents will not be blamed. Bona fide willful myopia. If the child's father created him with a destiny and purpose that would be fulfilled in his will you'd have a point... but you don't. I haven't 'seemed to think I have proved' anything... Psalm 147:5 "... his understanding has no limit"
Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
Hebrews 4:13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight.
John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
1 John 3:20 "... he knows everything."
Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come.
Hebrews 4:13 Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Romans 11:36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
Psalm 139:4 Before a word is on my tongue you, Lord, know it completely.
Psalm 147:5 Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.
Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you
Romans 8:28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.
Ephesians 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will
Psalm 33:11 The counsel of the Lord stands forever, the plans of his heart to all generations.
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand
Proverbs 16:9 The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.
Job 42:2 “I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you;
Psalm 138:8 The Lord will fulfill his purpose for me;
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 15:40:00 GMT
I was a jerk in this thread. I misunderstood the question but pushed forward anyway. I have no excuses for my obnoxious behavior, except my obnoxious personality. Sorry Mr @eddyhops . I didn't want to write this apology.. but alas it was God's will and I could not refuse.  Fair enough. |
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