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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 20:47:29 GMT
Great response, fantastic analysis bud. I forgot criticising, sorry "bashing" the MCU is forbidden on this board. Maybe you're input is better suited to the many MCU safe space boards scattered around the internet. What kind of response are you looking for? You've already made up your mind and your agenda is pretty clear. You're even ok with pardoning Singer for the sake of your preference for the Fox-Men films. What point is there in discussing anything, unless you're just itching to argue? More importantly, why even watch MCU films at all? Is it solely to criticize? Are you holding out hope for the one day they make the kind of film you want? Because that just isn't their goal. It never has been. I'm ok with that because these films are entertaining and they bring me back to my childhood. That's enough for me. I don't take these things as seriously as you and your bro summers8 do apparently. I'm just wondering what you're going to do now that Fox has sold to Disney. You'll always have the old films and you don't have to like the MCU, but this is pretty much a done deal now. The fact he openly pardons Singer while still condemning Gunn pretty says it all. We actually have people coming forward to accuse Singer, but Gunn only has tweets with no one coming forward about him. Why? Because Singer worked on X-Men films, which Charzhino likes, and Gunn worked on MCU films, which Charzino doesn't like. So a man's guilt or innocence relies entirely on whether they've made films he enjoys. Sad, really.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 21:18:51 GMT
Let's be real here, the only X-Men film to have stakes here is Logan. I definitely agree with that.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 19, 2018 6:27:21 GMT
Why is it empty?
Infinity War is a 96% CGI movie
their own directors tend to quit their own movies
their movies destroyed the credibility of comic movies.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 19, 2018 6:47:30 GMT
Why is it empty?Infinity War is a 96% CGI movie their own directors tend to quit their own movies their movies destroyed the credibility of comic movie. So? How the hell are they going to pull off Thanos and all the cosmic elements without CG? The number of directors who leave MCU movies are few. That's not the general consensus, jack.
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Post by darkpast on Oct 19, 2018 7:02:06 GMT
Disney MCU just a cashgrab
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Post by summers8 on Oct 19, 2018 7:12:02 GMT
well I saw the full video. the best part of the video was when he referenced how xmen movies care about story telling and stakes and when you watch an xmen movie, it makes you think on the human and mutant war but when you watch Avengers all you want to do is buy toys.
well...duh.
also this video is a good foreshadowing for why mcu xmen will fail.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 19, 2018 7:30:28 GMT
Disney MCU just a cashgrab Fox mostly put out movies just to keep the rights. Others they put out because of popular demand (Deadpool). Tacked on with crap continuity. Cash grabs they are. The MCU is an actual story told across over 20 movies (including the 3 upcoming) over 10+ years. Them taking their time to craft a story that people would care about makes it more than a cash grab. You think Logan would work if it was the 1st movie? You need... (crap when did this movie come out?) 15 years of Wolverine.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 19, 2018 7:40:49 GMT
yep, we saw the mcu fan response. only difference is that video is wrong. and mcu fans got it wrong. as usual.
LOL...Finally the world is speaking out against mcu movies.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 19, 2018 7:48:30 GMT
Why is it empty?Infinity War is a 96% CGI movie their own directors tend to quit their own movies their movies destroyed the credibility of comic movie. So? How the hell are they going to pull off Thanos and all the cosmic elements without CG? The number of directors who leave MCU movies are few. That's not the general consensus, jack.
1. Lord of the rings had cgi but still put quality and story telling first
2. a significant amount of their directors have left that we know its a problem for them
3. consensus? you mean critics who no longer have credibility because they praise mcu movies for been dumb fun. Also consensus? from long time comic fans and many film makers seem to be having more impact now to critics that have none. the consensus of other comic movies like xmen and batman is good story and high stakes. consensus of mcu is haha jokey fun. glad the vox video pointed that out indirectly.
I loved the call back in the video to the old xavier and magneto played by the great partick stewart and sir ian mckellen. both men highly praised for their performances and depth they brought to the films, remember the consensus for black panther that tried to copy Mckellen/Stewart= race baiting. LOL.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 19, 2018 7:48:56 GMT
yep, we saw the mcu fan response. only difference is that video is wrong. and mcu fans got it wrong. as usual.
LOL...Finally the world is speaking out against mcu movies.
He's a comic book movie fan. Wow, you really are a "not with us, so against us" type of person, huh? To you you can't like anything, but the stuff you "like".
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Post by charzhino on Oct 19, 2018 8:07:42 GMT
Thor Ragnarok and Civil War are the entries (for me) that require the strongest understanding of the continuity up until then to appreciate them as they're meant to be. Im not so sure about that. Civil War has characters thrown in there who have little to no business being present in the first place. The video points out that Civil War is a victim of the hollow world building because these events don't have the set up to require the need for all those characters sharing the screen. What was the purpose to Antman being in the airport fight? Did he feel strongly about the accords, did they cover this moral dilemma in his solo movie? Is his character one that's needed in the debate? The only reason hes brought in is to make him giant size in the fight so it looks cool. This is what the narrator means when he says the world building is done at the expense of good story. Similar story with Ragnarok. They completely cut out the world building and story achieved in the first 2 Thor films. Stuff like Jane Forster, Thors friends, the Loki storyline is undercut and the reset button hit in Ragnarok. That is poor world building. Just look at how Asgard is presented in Thor 1 and especially Thor 2. It seems real, organic, bustling with life. In ragnarok its hollow and fake. Its like a background set especially in the massacre scene from Hela and the scene where she asks Karl Urban to execute some random citizen. I think you misunderstood this. The cameo is a good example because even though the Xmen are from a different decade and different tone of film, the fact that their struggles in their own world overlaps with the world Deadpool is living in makes the crossover effective. The world is the same. It still is hostile to mutants, it still is discriminatory. The xmen fighting for mutant rights in the 70s and 80s is still the same world in which Deadpool is leading X-force to overturn a deviant pastor. This is the same in the comics. No matter how fantastical an Xmen story gets, we believe its taking place in the same world whether it be Fall of the Mutants or X-men Second coming. And this fits in well with the X-men franchise, no matter how different the premise of the movie is, whether it be a comedy in Deadpool, a western in Logan, a far east gangster flick in Japan in The Wolverine or a timetravel plot in Dofp, the world feels the same when you look at it from a distant. With MCU, there isn't as strong of a sense as this.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 19, 2018 8:08:54 GMT
What kind of response are you looking for? You've already made up your mind and your agenda is pretty clear. You're even ok with pardoning Singer for the sake of your preference for the Fox-Men films. What point is there in discussing anything, unless you're just itching to argue? More importantly, why even watch MCU films at all? Is it solely to criticize? Are you holding out hope for the one day they make the kind of film you want? Because that just isn't their goal. It never has been. I'm ok with that because these films are entertaining and they bring me back to my childhood. That's enough for me. I don't take these things as seriously as you and your bro summers8 do apparently. I'm just wondering what you're going to do now that Fox has sold to Disney. You'll always have the old films and you don't have to like the MCU, but this is pretty much a done deal now. The fact he openly pardons Singer while still condemning Gunn pretty says it all. We actually have people coming forward to accuse Singer, but Gunn only has tweets with no one coming forward about him. Why? Because Singer worked on X-Men films, which Charzhino likes, and Gunn worked on MCU films, which Charzino doesn't like. So a man's guilt or innocence relies entirely on whether they've made films he enjoys. Sad, really. I never openly pardoned him, I just gave a article where he denies the allegations. Are we now going by the guilty until proven innocent line of justice?
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 19, 2018 8:10:27 GMT
The fact he openly pardons Singer while still condemning Gunn pretty says it all. We actually have people coming forward to accuse Singer, but Gunn only has tweets with no one coming forward about him. Why? Because Singer worked on X-Men films, which Charzhino likes, and Gunn worked on MCU films, which Charzino doesn't like. So a man's guilt or innocence relies entirely on whether they've made films he enjoys. Sad, really. Are we now going by the guilty until proven innocent line of justice? Well you are as far as Gunn is concerned. Just because you didn’t like his movies. Grow up.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 19, 2018 8:11:47 GMT
What kind of response are you looking for? You've already made up your mind and your agenda is pretty clear. You're even ok with pardoning Singer for the sake of your preference for the Fox-Men films. What point is there in discussing anything, unless you're just itching to argue? More importantly, why even watch MCU films at all? Is it solely to criticize? Are you holding out hope for the one day they make the kind of film you want? Because that just isn't their goal. It never has been. I'm ok with that because these films are entertaining and they bring me back to my childhood. That's enough for me. I don't take these things as seriously as you and your bro summers8 do apparently. I'm just wondering what you're going to do now that Fox has sold to Disney. You'll always have the old films and you don't have to like the MCU, but this is pretty much a done deal now. Im looking for a response that counters the points made in the video (which I didn't make) which a few people have pointed out. Is that so difficult for MCU fans to do? Keep trying to deflect and attack the messenger, just shows everyone you have no substance to the argument at hand.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 19, 2018 8:12:29 GMT
Are we now going by the guilty until proven innocent line of justice? Well you are as far as Gunn is concerned. Just because you didn’t like his movies. Grow up. Gunns tweets are evidence of implication. Where is Singers evidence... a bunch of accusations with no proof?
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 19, 2018 8:14:03 GMT
Charzhino, we get it. You hate the MCU and want it to die. We don't, and we will continue to pay the theater the price of the ticket to get in and see new entries in the series. Nothing you post is ever going to change any of our minds. You'd think if they loved the X-men movies so much they would try the tact of saying why they are so good rather than "the other is bad and here's why." You don't attack the ones other people like to get them to see your view and come to your side. You bring them over with fresh baked brownies.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 19, 2018 8:16:37 GMT
Well you are as far as Gunn is concerned. Just because you didn’t like his movies. Grow up. Gunns tweets are evidence of implication. Where is Singers evidence... a bunch of accusations with no proof? I’ll say it again, if Singer had made those tweets you would say he was just joking and they’re not evidence of anything because you love the movies he made, but if Gunn had been accused of sexually assaulting teenagers you would say he did it and he’s a sexual offender because you hate the movies he made. You’re an hypocrite and you know it.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 19, 2018 8:36:41 GMT
Gunns tweets are evidence of implication. Where is Singers evidence... a bunch of accusations with no proof? I’ll say it again, if Singer had made those tweets you would say he was just joking and they’re not evidence of anything because you love the movies he made, but if Gunn had been accused of sexually assaulting teenagers you would say he did it and he’s a sexual offender because you hate the movies he made. You’re an hypocrite and you know it. Hypothetical what ifs. Get back to me when you have better material.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 19, 2018 8:41:22 GMT
Charzhino, we get it. You hate the MCU and want it to die. We don't, and we will continue to pay the theater the price of the ticket to get in and see new entries in the series. Nothing you post is ever going to change any of our minds. You'd think if they loved the X-men movies so much they would try the tact of saying why they are so good rather than "the other is bad and here's why." You don't attack the ones other people like to get them to see your view and come to your side. You bring them over with fresh baked brownies. Let's make this clear. Are you saying there should be no attempt at criticism over the shortcomings in the MCU? Because its sounds like you and others in this thread are saying that.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 19, 2018 8:49:28 GMT
I’ll say it again, if Singer had made those tweets you would say he was just joking and they’re not evidence of anything because you love the movies he made, but if Gunn had been accused of sexually assaulting teenagers you would say he did it and he’s a sexual offender because you hate the movies he made. You’re an hypocrite and you know it. Hypothetical what ifs. Get back to me when you have better material. There’s nothing hypothetical about it. You’ve been calling Gunn a pedophile and making comments about how children are not young enough for him even though no one has accused him of anything, but you keep defending Singer even though A BUNCH OF YOUNG MEN have accused him of sexually assaulting them. It is far more likely that Singer has sexually assaulted people than Gunn has, but you don’t hate Singer’s movies unlike Gunn’s so you’re never gonna admit that.
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