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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 19, 2018 20:46:30 GMT
No other franchise in movie history has handled an expanded universe better than the MCU so far. The same people who are complaining the connectivity is shallow are the same ones who say every movie is just a commercial for the other films. When they aren't complaining about how every movie is about Iron Man, they're asking why (insert character here) doesn't call Iron Man for help in every film. Curiously enough BOTH^^^ statements are correct.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 19, 2018 20:53:10 GMT
Hypothetical what ifs. Get back to me when you have better material. There’s nothing hypothetical about it. You’ve been calling Gunn a pedophile and making comments about how children are not young enough for him even though no one has accused him of anything, but you keep defending Singer even though A BUNCH OF YOUNG MEN have accused him of sexually assaulting them. It is far more likely that Singer has sexually assaulted people than Gunn has, but you don’t hate Singer’s movies unlike Gunn’s so you’re never gonna admit that. I'm not weighing on who's right or wrong, but the distinction made here IS important. Gunn made awful jokes, whereas Singer has actually been accused by people with personal accounts to retell.
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Post by hobowar on Oct 20, 2018 2:07:37 GMT
Why is it empty?Infinity War is a 96% CGI movie their own directors tend to quit their own movies their movies destroyed the credibility of comic movie. So? How the hell are they going to pull off Thanos and all the cosmic elements without CG? The number of directors who leave MCU movies are few. That's not the general consensus, jack. Toy Story is cgi and there's no X-Men movie that's even half as good as that.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 20, 2018 4:50:58 GMT
So? How the hell are they going to pull off Thanos and all the cosmic elements without CG? The number of directors who leave MCU movies are few. That's not the general consensus, jack. Toy Story is cgi and there's no X-Men movie that's even half as good as that. Let's ask summers8 , charzino, and thenewnexus on if they'd agree with such a consensus, answer - probably not.
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Post by hobowar on Oct 20, 2018 6:00:03 GMT
Toy Story is cgi and there's no X-Men movie that's even half as good as that. Let's ask summers8, @charzino, and thenewnexus on if they'd agree with such a consensus, answer - probably not. They're too silly to enjoy something as layered and nuanced as Toy Story so let them stick to their dumb guy movies.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 20, 2018 6:11:20 GMT
The reason the MCU feels empty is because Marvel/Disney's management insists on a cookie cutter micromanaged product that must satisfy a checklist of things. No good director or writer can work under those conditions. For Disney management a movie is a product--an advertisement, that is all it is. Added to that the elevator quality music, and the constant breaking of dramatic tension with jokes...
Not the biggest fan of the X-men, but it controlled its humor much better--making the jokes arise from the situations, not jokes at expense of character or situation.
"He's my brother." "He killed 200 people yesterday." "He's adopted."
That is sitcom humor.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 20, 2018 6:15:15 GMT
The reason the MCU feels empty is because Marvel/Disney's management insists on a cookie cutter micromanaged product that must satisfy a checklist of things. No good director or writer can work under those conditions. For Disney management a movie is a product--an advertisement, that is all it is. Added to that the elevator quality music, and the constant breaking of dramatic tension with jokes... Not the biggest fan of the X-men, but it controlled its humor much better--making the jokes arise from the situations, not jokes at expense of character or situation. "He's my brother." "He killed 200 people yesterday." "He's adopted." That is sitcom humor. Yeah and it’s so liberalized!1
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 20, 2018 6:17:16 GMT
Yeah and it’s so liberalized!1 That too!
In truth though the X-men kind of did similar but not to the same extent or they did a better job making it entertaining enough to distract from it. At least in the first couple.
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Post by hobowar on Oct 20, 2018 7:00:07 GMT
The reason the MCU feels empty is because Marvel/Disney's management insists on a cookie cutter micromanaged product that must satisfy a checklist of things. No good director or writer can work under those conditions. For Disney management a movie is a product--an advertisement, that is all it is. Added to that the elevator quality music, and the constant breaking of dramatic tension with jokes... Not the biggest fan of the X-men, but it controlled its humor much better--making the jokes arise from the situations, not jokes at expense of character or situation. "He's my brother." "He killed 200 people yesterday." "He's adopted." That is sitcom humor. Honestly I can't think of any sitcom worse than the X-Men movies so far. I'd also say that the jokes gives the characters more personality and make me care more about them. The humour pretty much always enhances the dramatic tension. Zemo listening to his dead wife's message about their dead kid before attempting suicide is about as dark as a cbm has gotten in my opinion, and it would have fell completely flat had it not been for how funny Ant-Man and Spider-Man were earlier on in the movie.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 20, 2018 7:08:26 GMT
Honestly I can't think of any sitcom worse than the X-Men movies so far. I'd also say that the jokes gives the characters more personality and make me care more about them. The humour pretty much always enhances the dramatic tension. Zemo listening to his dead wife's message about their dead kid before attempting suicide is about as dark as a cbm has gotten in my opinion, and it would have fell completely flat had it not been for how funny Ant-Man and Spider-Man were earlier on in the movie. That dialogue I cited is sitcom humor. Unless the X-men movies that came after 2014 imitated the Disney Marvel style then there is no sitcom comparison.
I do not remember Stryker being a comical figure. When Mystique imitates him, then he does some humorous stuff-but that's her pretending to be him. It's in character.
In the Disney Marvel films the villains have to do goofy stuff-little jokes, make lame comments like Thanos "if you want something done right..."
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 20, 2018 14:51:43 GMT
Charzhino, we get it. You hate the MCU and want it to die. We don't, and we will continue to pay the theater the price of the ticket to get in and see new entries in the series. Nothing you post is ever going to change any of our minds. ad ho·mi·nem/ˌad ˈhämənəm/ adverb & adjective1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. "vicious ad hominem attacks"2. relating to or associated with a particular person. "the office was created ad hominem for Fenton"
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 20, 2018 14:54:10 GMT
The MCU can make fifty more movies and the "universe" still won't feel as rich, interesting, or well-defined as Star Wars after the six canon/Lucas flicks. Add in the Clone Wars and it's a blowout.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 20:10:51 GMT
The MCU can make fifty more movies and the "universe" still won't feel as rich, interesting, or well-defined as Star Wars after the six canon/Lucas flicks. Add in the Clone Wars and it's a blowout. Out of curiosity have you seen this?
If so what do you think?
No setup or windup, I'm genuinely curious.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 20, 2018 20:53:59 GMT
The MCU can make fifty more movies and the "universe" still won't feel as rich, interesting, or well-defined as Star Wars after the six canon/Lucas flicks. Add in the Clone Wars and it's a blowout. Out of curiosity have you seen this?
If so what do you think?
No setup or windup, I'm genuinely curious.
I have no issue with the way midichlorians were used/discussed in TPM. As for these plans, I would've loved to see George Lucas further explore the mythology of the Force for three more movies as opposed to the written-by-committee, fanfiction trash we got.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 22:05:56 GMT
Out of curiosity have you seen this?
If so what do you think?
No setup or windup, I'm genuinely curious.
I have no issue with the way midichlorians were used/discussed in TPM. As for these plans, I would've loved to see George Lucas further explore the mythology of the Force for three more movies as opposed to the written-by-committee, fanfiction trash we got. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't at least a little curious too. I'd probably have to watch The Phantom Menace again to refresh my memory, but I always had a special spot for scenes where they talk about and debate the force, particularly in The Force Awakens (just kidding); particularly in the first Star Wars when Han and Luke talk about about it on the way to Alderaan in the Millennium Falcon.
I think the opening shot of the movie where Leia's ship is being chased by the imperial ship implies how big the empire truly is, the downward angle implying the empire blanketing the universe in its shadow the way it fills the screen. The rebellion is tiny and hope for escape is bleak, much like Leia's ship compared to the empire's. Similarly, I think the scene where they're all sitting in one room discussing the force, the size of the room (made smaller by the extra bodies) amplifies the desperate claustrophobia of their predicament. The race against time (in my opinion) makes their space even smaller and they lose ground every minute whether they know it or not. It starts in a small room and grows alongside Luke's growing belief in the force as a tool for good.
I always considered that scene the eye of the storm in the movie and one of my favorite conversations about the force, however brief it was, and when I think about authentic George Lucas and how/what he would have done, I always return to that scene for what it did to my imagination. I see my optimism in Luke and my skepticism in Han, and optimism won out and so began the long, slow trudge to the empire's defeat. Big journeys have small beginnings. That's from Lawrence of Arabia, which ironically also had Sir Alec Guinness in it.
How rude of me, I only just remembered what this thread was about (a la not Star Wars). Whoops (sort of).
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Post by scabab on Oct 20, 2018 23:15:59 GMT
Right let's not start a shit show. The topic was about the video, people can agree or disagree with it if they want and discuss it civilly.
It's not the end of the world of some people aren't that keen on the MCU. I also believe Charzhino did say he liked Infinity War anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 23:35:25 GMT
Right let's not start a shit show. The topic was about the video, people can agree or disagree with it if they want and discuss it civilly. It's not the end of the world of some people aren't that keen on the MCU. I also believe Charzhino did say he liked Infinity War anyway. colden threw the first punch. I was just reacting in kind. This isn't about agreeing or disagreeing about the MCU. This topic is a blatant attempt at trolling.
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Post by scabab on Oct 21, 2018 1:47:19 GMT
colden threw the first punch. I was just reacting in kind. This isn't about agreeing or disagreeing about the MCU. This topic is a blatant attempt at trolling. Giving the definition of a word doesn't mean you have to attack his site. You also could just not react in kind either way and just ignore it. How is the topic a trolling one? It contains a video from a channel that has almost 5 million subscribers, the video itself has 1.6 million views in just 6 days. You disagree with it and 94,000 people have disliked the video but then Charzhino agrees with it and there's 30,000 people who have liked the video so there's obviously discussion to be made from it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 1:48:45 GMT
colden threw the first punch. I was just reacting in kind. This isn't about agreeing or disagreeing about the MCU. This topic is a blatant attempt at trolling. Giving the definition of a word doesn't mean you have to attack his site. You also could just not react in kind either way and just ignore it. How is the topic a trolling one? It contains a video from a channel that has almost 5 million subscribers, the video itself has 1.6 million views in just 6 days. You disagree with it and 94,000 people have disliked the video but then Charzhino agrees with it and there's 30,000 people who have liked the video so there's obviously discussion to be made from it. Are you kidding me? Charzhino posts this kind of crap every day. His entire shtick to pushing his opinions on us.
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Post by scabab on Oct 21, 2018 1:57:33 GMT
Are you kidding me? Charzhino posts this kind of crap every day. His entire shtick to pushing his opinions on us. Well don't worry that, it's the opinions that go against the norm is what creates the more interesting topics because you get different perspectives. I already said why I disagree. Why do you disagree?
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