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Post by Surly on Nov 8, 2018 0:55:44 GMT
No, it's just a stupid question. I’m talking about like when Groot says “I am Groot” to Cap who understands “I am”. How does the translator know that it needs to translate in English for Cap to understand what Groot is saying? Like how does it know what exact language Cap speaks? Or when the Guardians first speak to Tony, Spidey, and Strange who understand them perfectly before they even founds out they are from earth. Have you ever read any real comic books involving aliens? It would seem not because there's no way you could have without running into this phenomenon before. Many times, at that. It's easily not the first time it's happened in movies involving comic book universes either. On top of that your example really isn't a good one. Groot? He says the same thing no matter what he is expressing or "communicating". You can't facilitate an entire language with just three words. Obviously they're interpreting what he is saying by the way he says it. And the context of the circumstances. It's a running joke. You need to brush up on your trolling, pal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 1:54:06 GMT
Now Iron Man has a translator too?! Where did he obtain it? (And I'm putting aside the fact that translators are never mentioned in the MCU) The translator made them understandable to Stark. You totally made that up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 1:57:38 GMT
It is not the same at all. I already explained why quite clearly. Luke and Han exist in a fictional galactic civilization. Drax is an alien that has never been to Earth, yet speaks Earth English with a perfect American accent. Yes, it is. Luke and Han appear to be different physically than your average human, nor do they seem to possess dissimilar cognitive ability, yet they understand dozens and dozens, if not hundreds, of alien languages perfectly. NOBODY learns that many languages. Therefore, there is no difference, and you will never convince there is. Hmm. I suspect you understand the difference but are unwilling to admit it, so I'll simply say this: Luke and Han knowing lots of languages is indeed a stretch. But that is very different than an alien who has never been to Earth knowing perfect American English. Very very very different
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 2:06:15 GMT
The translator made them understandable to Stark. You totally made that up. Not really. If you paid attention to "Guardians", you'd know the translators are a thing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 2:07:10 GMT
Yes, it is. Luke and Han appear to be different physically than your average human, nor do they seem to possess dissimilar cognitive ability, yet they understand dozens and dozens, if not hundreds, of alien languages perfectly. NOBODY learns that many languages. Therefore, there is no difference, and you will never convince there is. Hmm. I suspect you understand the difference but are unwilling to admit it, so I'll simply say this: Luke and Han knowing lots of languages is indeed a stretch. But that is very different than an alien who has never been to Earth knowing perfect American English. Very very very different There is no difference. It's all fake and unrealistic. The only difference is that you're willing to give Star Wars more allowances because they hold a special place in your childhood.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 2:08:39 GMT
You totally made that up. Not really. If you paid attention to "Guardians", you'd know the translators are a thing. I've seen GotG a half dozen times. Never noticed any mention of translators. In any case, it really isn't a big deal. Star Trek has all their aliens randomly speaking English too. It's a common, if lazy, trope in fantasy and sci fi. It really doesn't bother me that much
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 2:09:13 GMT
Hmm. I suspect you understand the difference but are unwilling to admit it, so I'll simply say this: Luke and Han knowing lots of languages is indeed a stretch. But that is very different than an alien who has never been to Earth knowing perfect American English. Very very very different There is no difference. It's all fake and unrealistic. The only difference is that you're willing to give Star Wars more allowances because they hold a special place in your childhood. Nah, it's different. Innit?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 2:14:50 GMT
There is no difference. It's all fake and unrealistic. The only difference is that you're willing to give Star Wars more allowances because they hold a special place in your childhood. Nah, it's different. Innit? If you ever slightly less fond of Star Wars, I guarantee we wouldn't be having this conversation. Oh, and by the way, George Lucas, despite what he likes to claim, didn't even know that Darth Vader was Anakin when the original film was released in 1977. The whole Skywalker family drama was a retcon for the sequels. So much for SW's "superior" world-building.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 2:15:23 GMT
Not really. If you paid attention to "Guardians", you'd know the translators are a thing. I've seen GotG a half dozen times. Never noticed any mention of translators. In any case, it really isn't a big deal. Star Trek has all their aliens randomly speaking English too. It's a common, if lazy, trope in fantasy and sci fi. It really doesn't bother me that much Because you didn't pay close enough attention in the scene when they were arrested. Yeah, the only franchise to make the shared universe idea work is lazy.[/sarcasm] If it's so easy to do what Marvel Studios does, then how come everyone else around them has failed?
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 8, 2018 2:20:49 GMT
Not really. If you paid attention to "Guardians", you'd know the translators are a thing. I've seen GotG a half dozen times. Never noticed any mention of translators. In any case, it really isn't a big deal. Star Trek has all their aliens randomly speaking English too. It's a common, if lazy, trope in fantasy and sci fi. It really doesn't bother me that much It's in the scene where the GOTG are being scanned and Starlord flips the bird. There's specific mention of translator implants.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 2:41:16 GMT
I've seen GotG a half dozen times. Never noticed any mention of translators. In any case, it really isn't a big deal. Star Trek has all their aliens randomly speaking English too. It's a common, if lazy, trope in fantasy and sci fi. It really doesn't bother me that much It's in the scene where the GOTG are being scanned and Starlord flips the bird. There's specific mention of translator implants. That's cool. I've never noticed it. How does it effect the words coming out of their mouths though? Stark clearly understood the Guardians...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 2:45:56 GMT
Nah, it's different. Innit? If you ever slightly less fond of Star Wars, I guarantee we wouldn't be having this conversation. Oh, and by the way, George Lucas, despite what he likes to claim, didn't even know that Darth Vader was Anakin when the original film was released in 1977. The whole Skywalker family drama was a retcon for the sequels. So much for SW's "superior" world-building. I know that. In fact, Lucas lies constantly about his original "plans" for Star Wars. Not sure how this is relevant in any way, shape or form though. Are you just trying to insult my beloved franchise because I dared to post a minor nitpick about the MCU?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 2:53:27 GMT
I've seen GotG a half dozen times. Never noticed any mention of translators. In any case, it really isn't a big deal. Star Trek has all their aliens randomly speaking English too. It's a common, if lazy, trope in fantasy and sci fi. It really doesn't bother me that much Because you didn't pay close enough attention in the scene when they were arrested. Yeah, the only franchise to make the shared universe idea work is lazy.[/sarcasm] If it's so easy to do what Marvel Studios does, then how come everyone else around them has failed?Have they failed? Have they really? Or is that what they want you to think?!
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 8, 2018 3:00:33 GMT
It's in the scene where the GOTG are being scanned and Starlord flips the bird. There's specific mention of translator implants. That's cool. I've never noticed it. How does it effect the words coming out of their mouths though? Stark clearly understood the Guardians... Who knows. There's no such thing as translator implants in reality at the moment. But considering these are people with technology enough to make hyperspace jumps it's not so far fetched to theorize that the translator automatically helps them form words in an alien language.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 3:07:46 GMT
That's cool. I've never noticed it. How does it effect the words coming out of their mouths though? Stark clearly understood the Guardians... Who knows. There's no such thing as translator implants in reality at the moment. But considering these are people with technology enough to make hyperspace jumps it's not so far fetched to theorize that the translator automatically helps them form words in an alien language. So basically the MCU should be rebooted with a proper explanation for this whole language thing...
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 8, 2018 3:09:52 GMT
Who knows. There's no such thing as translator implants in reality at the moment. But considering these are people with technology enough to make hyperspace jumps it's not so far fetched to theorize that the translator automatically helps them form words in an alien language. So basically the MCU should be rebooted with a proper explanation for this whole language thing... It should be rebooted with no english language at all. Pure subtitles all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 3:13:12 GMT
So basically the MCU should be rebooted with a proper explanation for this whole language thing... It should be rebooted with no english language at all. Pure subtitles all the time. Agreed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 3:13:28 GMT
If you ever slightly less fond of Star Wars, I guarantee we wouldn't be having this conversation. Oh, and by the way, George Lucas, despite what he likes to claim, didn't even know that Darth Vader was Anakin when the original film was released in 1977. The whole Skywalker family drama was a retcon for the sequels. So much for SW's "superior" world-building. I know that. In fact, Lucas lies constantly about his original "plans" for Star Wars. Not sure how this is relevant in any way, shape or form though. Are you just trying to insult my beloved franchise because I dared to post a minor nitpick about the MCU? I'm saying there are just as many faults to be found in Star Wars's world-building. Both franchises were built on hard work from many smart people. I'm also miffed that you decided to agree with a troll topic.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 8, 2018 3:17:45 GMT
That's cool. I've never noticed it. How does it effect the words coming out of their mouths though? Stark clearly understood the Guardians... Who knows. There's no such thing as translator implants in reality at the moment. But considering these are people with technology enough to make hyperspace jumps it's not so far fetched to theorize that the translator automatically helps them form words in an alien language. An actual universal translator may have less to do with hearing or speaking than one would initially think. Such a device could transmit and receive brainwaves that translates foreign words into raw ideas and concepts that can be shifted to the listener's language. The person you're speaking to would appear to be speaking your language if the translator could highjack the part of the brain that accepts spoken words as input for interpretation. Japanese would sound like English to you and, you could interpret its ideas and concepts as such. Context would be critical to such a device as people meeting for the first time would likely be greeting each other.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 3:18:42 GMT
I know that. In fact, Lucas lies constantly about his original "plans" for Star Wars. Not sure how this is relevant in any way, shape or form though. Are you just trying to insult my beloved franchise because I dared to post a minor nitpick about the MCU? I'm saying there are just as many faults to be found in Star Wars's world-building. Both franchises were built on hard work from many smart people. And then both were ruined by Dizney. Am I right or am I right?
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