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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 7, 2018 20:55:14 GMT
Actually, it is an unbiased system. Unless you're saying they should implement a double standard that will provide special treatment for women just so they have an easier chance at ruling? Because that's biased. You saying that men and women are equal in combat? This is the MCU. You've seen Black Widow in action and Peggy Carter and Melinda May and Elektra and T'Challa's bodyguards, and Colleen Wing, etc.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 7, 2018 21:01:40 GMT
You saying that men and women are equal in combat? This is the MCU. You've seen Black Widow in action and Peggy Carter and Melinda May and Elektra and T'Challa's bodyguards, and Colleen Wing, etc. And yet, none of the female warriors in Black Panther were willing to step forward to challenge Killmonger for the throne after Killmonger threw T'Challa over the edge of the waterfall and claimed the throne and everyone thought T'Challa was dead. Were those female warriors just too scared to challenge Killmonger for the throne? Or is it because Wakanda doesn't allow women to challenge for the throne and rule?
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 7, 2018 21:04:16 GMT
You saying that men and women are equal in combat? No. Still doesn't make their succession system biased. Their system treats their men and women the same and gives them the same opportunity. That's the complete opposite of being biased. How do women have the same opportunity to rule when the succession ritual is heavily rigged in favor of males so that only males would win and no females would ever win?
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Post by bud47 on Nov 7, 2018 21:22:11 GMT
The initiation process does not only involve males. As someone else stated, Nakia was presented as a representative from her tribe to challenge for the throne. She declined. Most likely because she realized that T'Challa was an intelligent, capable leader, better suited for role of king. Or most likely because she knew the succession ritual gives an advantage to males and she knew she couldn't defeat a male in combat. Not wanting to challenge T'Challa had nothing to do with it, as proven by the fact that after Killmonger threw T'Challa over the edge of the waterfall and claimed the throne and everyone thought T'Challa was dead, Nakia (or any of the other female warriors) could've challenged Killmonger for the throne. But neither T'Challa's sister nor Nakia nor any of the other female warriors challenged Killmonger for the throne. Either because they didn't believe a female warrior could defeat Killmonger in combat or because Wakanda doesn't allow women to challenge for the throne and rule. Either way, it devalues women. What advantage does it give to males? For a society that is used to protecting it's borders and using a ritual of combat to determine the next ruler, it seems pretty evident that all tribe members are trained well in combat, including females as clearly evidenced in the film. If the film was truly as demeaning to women as you make it out to be, then why were the Dora Millaje, whose sole job is to protect the throne, made up entirely of females? Seems like an important job. It's actually been a while since I've seen the whole movie, but other than T'Challa, Killmonger, M'Baku and maybe Zuri, I remember more female combatants and females in high/important positions in this film than male ones. Doesn't sound very demeaning to women to me. The film already had two challenges to the throne up to the point of T'Challa's supposed death. A third, whether it be from a male or female, in a 2-hour film would have been too repetitive and for the purposes of the plot, it played out the way it needed to. You can't have a Black Panther film filled with continuous throne challenges. When does it end? For films of this nature, sometimes you just have to suspend your disbelief instead of over-analyzing things.
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Post by hobowar on Nov 7, 2018 21:29:59 GMT
Not to sound sexist, but no, a woman could never beat Killmonger so it was wise for them to not have her challenge him. So MCU made the female warriors in Wakanda too weak to be able to challenge and defeat Killmonger in combat. A big contrast from the Amazons, who defeated German soldiers with rifles. Black Panther pretty much devalues women by making them weak and only there to be subservient to a King and take orders from a King. Did the women not go against the king during Killmonger's reign?
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 7, 2018 21:34:01 GMT
For a society that is used to protecting it's borders and using a ritual of combat to determine the next ruler, it seems pretty evident that all tribe members are trained well in combat, including females as clearly evidenced in the film. Yet, not a single female warrior stepped forward to challenge Killmonger for the throne after Killmonger threw T'Challa over the edge of the waterfall and claimed the throne and everyone thought T'Challa was dead? So were all those well-trained female warriors just too scared to challenge Killmonger for the throne? Or was it because Wakanda doesn't allow women to challenge for the throne and rule? Either way, it devalues women. I remember more female combatants and females in high/important positions in this film than male ones. Yet women in Wakanda aren't allowed to hold THE HIGHEST position in Wakanda - the monarch and absolute ruler.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 7, 2018 21:34:47 GMT
So MCU made the female warriors in Wakanda too weak to be able to challenge and defeat Killmonger in combat. A big contrast from the Amazons, who defeated German soldiers with rifles. Black Panther pretty much devalues women by making them weak and only there to be subservient to a King and take orders from a King. Did the women not go against the king during Killmonger's reign? No, the female warriors all obeyed Killmonger's commands during Killmonger's reign.
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Post by hobowar on Nov 7, 2018 21:39:58 GMT
Did the women not go against the king during Killmonger's reign? No, the female warriors all obeyed Killmonger's commands during Killmonger's reign. The Dora Milajeare are sworn to serve the thrown, but Nakia, Shuri and mommy Panther (Forgot her name) did conspire against Killmonger in what I'd call the smartest way possible.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 7, 2018 21:41:19 GMT
No, the female warriors all obeyed Killmonger's commands during Killmonger's reign. The Dora Milajeare are sworn to serve the thrown, but Nakia, Shuri and mommy Panther (Forgot her name) did conspire against Killmonger in what I'd call the smartest way possible. Besides, Killmonger was going to kill them next anyway, that's why Nakia took them into hiding.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 7, 2018 21:43:00 GMT
It's already well-known that MCU hasn't made a female-led movie in 10 years and 20 movies and is only making Captain Marvel as a reaction to WB announcing a Wonder Woman movie so I won't rehash that... ![](https://i.imgflip.com/2lz5g2.jpg)
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 7, 2018 21:43:35 GMT
Did the women not go against the king during Killmonger's reign? No, the female warriors all obeyed Killmonger's commands during Killmonger's reign. Really, they didn't go against Killmonger? Then what does this look like?
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Post by hobowar on Nov 7, 2018 21:46:37 GMT
It's already well-known that MCU hasn't made a female-led movie in 10 years and 20 movies and is only making Captain Marvel as a reaction to WB announcing a Wonder Woman movie so I won't rehash that... ![](https://i.imgflip.com/2lz5g2.jpg)
"I'm going to misinterpret a bunch of scenes and then act like I'm right" DC-Fan's schtick!
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 7, 2018 21:47:11 GMT
No, the female warriors all obeyed Killmonger's commands during Killmonger's reign. Really, they didn't go against Killmonger? Then what does this look like? Nothing DC-Fan says bears any resemblance to reality. What is the point of arguing with someone who doesn't care about the truth? He's a pathetic fanboy who can't handle the truth.
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Post by sostie on Nov 7, 2018 21:47:39 GMT
No, the female warriors all obeyed Killmonger's commands during Killmonger's reign. Really, they didn't go against Killmonger? Then what does this look like? He could have missed it. Maybe someone got up to go to the bathroom in the theatre and got in the way of the camera that was recording the dodgy online copy he saw the film on.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 7, 2018 21:52:56 GMT
"I'm going to misinterpret a bunch of scenes and then act like I'm right" DC-Fan's schtick! ![](https://i.imgflip.com/2lz6i0.jpg)
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Post by hobowar on Nov 7, 2018 21:54:57 GMT
"I'm going to misinterpret a bunch of scenes and then act like I'm right" DC-Fan's schtick! ![](https://i.imgflip.com/2lz6i0.jpg)
But he started it... and he's a prick! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 7, 2018 21:58:54 GMT
But he started it... and he's a prick! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) ![](https://i.imgflip.com/2lz77x.jpg)
![](https://i.imgflip.com/2lz7e6.jpg)
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 7, 2018 22:02:07 GMT
No, the female warriors all obeyed Killmonger's commands during Killmonger's reign. Nakia, Shuri and mommy Panther (Forgot her name) did conspire against Killmonger in what I'd call the smartest way possible. So rather than trying to win back the throne the legal way, the conspire to commit treason against their King and country.
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Post by sostie on Nov 7, 2018 22:07:31 GMT
Nakia, Shuri and mommy Panther (Forgot her name) did conspire against Killmonger in what I'd call the smartest way possible. So rather than trying to win back the throne the legal way, the conspire to commit treason against their King and country. Based on this and other past posts you really must write a superhero screenplay...there is a gap in the market for one over long film where everyone follows recognised procedures, applies for permits and fills in correct forms before any action is taken. Maybe there could be a scene where a committee decides how each punch is thrown in a melee.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 7, 2018 22:07:56 GMT
Nothing DC-Fan says bears any resemblance to reality. He's a pathetic fanboy who can't handle the truth. Everything I said is true. I said that not a single female warrior challenged Killmonger for the throne after Killmonger threw T'Challa over the edge of a waterfall and claimed the throne and everyone thought T'Challa was dead. Are you disputing that fact as not true? So now that we've established that everything I said is true, the question then is why didn't any of the female warriors step forward to challenge Killmonger for the throne after Killmonger threw T'Challa over the edge of the waterfall and everyone thought T'Challa was dead? Were all of those well-trained female warriors too scared to challenge Killmonger for the throne? Or was it simply because Wakanda doesn't allow women to challenge for the throne and rule? Either way, it devalues women in Wakanda.
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