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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 6, 2018 22:10:13 GMT
It's already well-known that MCU hasn't made a female-led movie in 10 years and 20 movies and is only making Captain Marvel as a reaction to WB announcing a Wonder Woman movie so I won't rehash that. But looking at MCU's movies so far, it sure seems that MCU likes to devalue and sometimes even demean female characters.
For example, Tony Stark, who is known for being a playboy and sleeping with many different women, sleeps with a female reporter and then the female reporter is referred to as "Trash". That's really demeaning to women.
And Black Panther takes the devaluation of female characters to a new level. Not only are all the women in Wakanda subservient to a King and have to take orders from a King, but women aren't allowed to rule in Wakanda. When Killmonger throws T'Challa over the edge of the waterfall, apparently killing T'Challa and winning the throne of Wakanda, the logical thing for T'Challa's family to do would be for T'Challa's sister to challenge Killmonger for the throne.
But Wakanda doesn't allow women to rule. So instead of T'Challa's sister, who's at 100%, challenge Killmonger for the throne, they needed a wounded T'Challa who was almost killed and who isn't at 100% to challenge Killmonger for the throne.
Was it because they didn't believe a female could defeat Killmonger? Or was it simply because Wakanda doesn't allow women to rule? Either way, it devalues women.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 22:59:34 GMT
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Post by NormanClature on Nov 6, 2018 23:01:58 GMT
It's already well-known that MCU hasn't made a female-led movie in 10 years and 20 movies and is only making Captain Marvel as a reaction to WB announcing a Wonder Woman movie so I won't rehash that. But looking at MCU's movies so far, it sure seems that MCU likes to devalue and sometimes even demean female characters. For example, Tony Stark, who is known for being a playboy and sleeping with many different women, sleeps with a female reporter and then the female reporter is referred to as "Trash". That's really demeaning to women. And Black Panther takes the devaluation of female characters to a new level. Not only are all the women in Wakanda subservient to a King and have to take orders from a King, but women aren't allowed to rule in Wakanda. When Killmonger throws T'Challa over the edge of the waterfall, apparently killing T'Challa and winning the throne of Wakanda, the logical thing for T'Challa's family to do would be for T'Challa's sister to challenge Killmonger for the throne. But Wakanda doesn't allow women to rule. So instead of T'Challa's sister, who's at 100%, challenge Killmonger for the throne, they needed a wounded T'Challa who was almost killed and who isn't at 100% to challenge Killmonger for the throne. Was it because they didn't believe a female could defeat Killmonger? Or was it simply because Wakanda doesn't allow women to rule? Either way, it devalues women. How many times have you watched Black Panther now?  |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 6, 2018 23:03:35 GMT
It's already well-known that MCU hasn't made a female-led movie in 10 years and 20 movies and is only making Captain Marvel as a reaction to WB announcing a Wonder Woman movie so I won't rehash that. But looking at MCU's movies so far, it sure seems that MCU likes to devalue and sometimes even demean female characters. For example, Tony Stark, who is known for being a playboy and sleeping with many different women, sleeps with a female reporter and then the female reporter is referred to as "Trash". That's really demeaning to women. And Black Panther takes the devaluation of female characters to a new level. Not only are all the women in Wakanda subservient to a King and have to take orders from a King, but women aren't allowed to rule in Wakanda. When Killmonger throws T'Challa over the edge of the waterfall, apparently killing T'Challa and winning the throne of Wakanda, the logical thing for T'Challa's family to do would be for T'Challa's sister to challenge Killmonger for the throne. But Wakanda doesn't allow women to rule. So instead of T'Challa's sister, who's at 100%, challenge Killmonger for the throne, they needed a wounded T'Challa who was almost killed and who isn't at 100% to challenge Killmonger for the throne. Was it because they didn't believe a female could defeat Killmonger? Or was it simply because Wakanda doesn't allow women to rule? Either way, it devalues women. How many times have you watched Black Panther now? For all we know, it could still be at 0. |
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Post by poelzig on Nov 6, 2018 23:08:38 GMT
MCU fanatics are terrified of women. Oddly some of them are obsessed with toys for little girls though.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 6, 2018 23:15:26 GMT
It's already well-known that MCU hasn't made a female-led movie in 10 years and 20 movies and is only making Captain Marvel as a reaction to WB announcing a Wonder Woman movie so I won't rehash that. But looking at MCU's movies so far, it sure seems that MCU likes to devalue and sometimes even demean female characters. For example, Tony Stark, who is known for being a playboy and sleeping with many different women, sleeps with a female reporter and then the female reporter is referred to as "Trash". That's really demeaning to women. And Black Panther takes the devaluation of female characters to a new level. Not only are all the women in Wakanda subservient to a King and have to take orders from a King, but women aren't allowed to rule in Wakanda. When Killmonger throws T'Challa over the edge of the waterfall, apparently killing T'Challa and winning the throne of Wakanda, the logical thing for T'Challa's family to do would be for T'Challa's sister to challenge Killmonger for the throne. But Wakanda doesn't allow women to rule. So instead of T'Challa's sister, who's at 100%, challenge Killmonger for the throne, they needed a wounded T'Challa who was almost killed and who isn't at 100% to challenge Killmonger for the throne. Was it because they didn't believe a female could defeat Killmonger? Or was it simply because Wakanda doesn't allow women to rule? Either way, it devalues women. Except Tony Stark used to be a playboy, but that was just his character in the first Iron Man movie. Are you aware he's going to marry Pepper Potts? And this proves that you're an idiot. Wakanda DOES have women in power. T'Challa's mother, Romanda is the Queen of Wakanda, and Shuri is the princess of Wakanda. Oops. And they needed a wounded T'Challa (who was healed and enhanced right away thanks to heart shaped herb) was because the challenge was not complete. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 6, 2018 23:29:13 GMT
Except Tony Stark used to be a playboy, but that was just his character in the first Iron Man movie. Are you aware he's going to marry Pepper Potts? Irrelevant. Tony marrying Pepper still doesn't change the fact that the female reporter whom Tony slept with was referred to as "Trash". That's demeaning to women. Wakanda DOES have women in power. T'Challa's mother, Romanda is the Queen of Wakanda, and Shuri is the princess of Wakanda. Oops. And neither one of them is allowed to rule. Wakanda only allows men to rule, which is why they allowed men to challenge for the throne but didn't allow T'Challa's sister to challenge for the throne. they needed a wounded T'Challa (who was healed and enhanced right away thanks to heart shaped herb) was because the challenge was not complete. Killmonger threw T'Challa off the edge of the waterfall. Everyone, including T'Challa's own family, thought T'Challa was dead and the challenge was completed. So the logical thing for T'Challa's family to do was to have T'Challa's sister challenge Killmonger for the throne. But Wakanda doesn't allow women to challenge for the throne or rule. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 6, 2018 23:38:08 GMT
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 6, 2018 23:55:40 GMT
Except Tony Stark used to be a playboy, but that was just his character in the first Iron Man movie. Are you aware he's going to marry Pepper Potts? Irrelevant. Tony marrying Pepper still doesn't change the fact that the female reporter whom Tony slept with was referred to as "Trash". That's demeaning to women. Wakanda DOES have women in power. T'Challa's mother, Romanda is the Queen of Wakanda, and Shuri is the princess of Wakanda. Oops. And neither one of them is allowed to rule. Wakanda only allows men to rule, which is why they allowed men to challenge for the throne but didn't allow T'Challa's sister to challenge for the throne. they needed a wounded T'Challa (who was healed and enhanced right away thanks to heart shaped herb) was because the challenge was not complete. Killmonger threw T'Challa off the edge of the waterfall. Everyone, including T'Challa's own family, thought T'Challa was dead and the challenge was completed. So the logical thing for T'Challa's family to do was to have T'Challa's sister challenge Killmonger for the throne. But Wakanda doesn't allow women to challenge for the throne or rule. Actually, that is relevant, that was earlier in the MCU, you don't see Tony Stark demeaning women anymore. And who say's they aren't allowed to rule? Of course they rule, well the Queen does. As for challenging the throne, they challenge by combat ritual, and Zuri asks each tribe if there's anybody who wishes to challenges the throne. I'm sure Shuri doesn't want to fight her brother. And the key word is thought. Once they figured he was still alive, the challenge hasn't been completed. |
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Post by politicidal on Nov 7, 2018 0:16:32 GMT
Bored today?
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Post by damngumby on Nov 7, 2018 1:05:35 GMT
If they alway devalue women you’d have been able to come up with more examples.
You took your shot.
The verdict - FAIL!
Always Wrong, strikes again.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 7, 2018 1:41:37 GMT
Irrelevant. Tony marrying Pepper still doesn't change the fact that the female reporter whom Tony slept with was referred to as "Trash". That's demeaning to women. And neither one of them is allowed to rule. Wakanda only allows men to rule, which is why they allowed men to challenge for the throne but didn't allow T'Challa's sister to challenge for the throne. Killmonger threw T'Challa off the edge of the waterfall. Everyone, including T'Challa's own family, thought T'Challa was dead and the challenge was completed. So the logical thing for T'Challa's family to do was to have T'Challa's sister challenge Killmonger for the throne. But Wakanda doesn't allow women to challenge for the throne or rule. Actually, that is relevant, that was earlier in the MCU, you don't see Tony Stark demeaning women anymore. And who say's they aren't allowed to rule? Of course they rule, well the Queen does. As for challenging the throne, they challenge by combat ritual, and Zuri asks each tribe if there's anybody who wishes to challenges the throne. I'm sure Shuri doesn't want to fight her brother. And the key word is thought. Once they figured he was still alive, the challenge hasn't been completed. And also, that reporter later spoke to Tony Stark quite angrily because she thought he was selling weapons to Ten Rings, who was attacking Gulmira at the time. |
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 7, 2018 2:00:23 GMT
It's already well-known that MCU hasn't made a female-led movie in 10 years and 20 movies and is only making Captain Marvel as a reaction to WB announcing a Wonder Woman movie so I won't rehash that. But looking at MCU's movies so far, it sure seems that MCU likes to devalue and sometimes even demean female characters. For example, Tony Stark, who is known for being a playboy and sleeping with many different women, sleeps with a female reporter and then the female reporter is referred to as "Trash". That's really demeaning to women. And Black Panther takes the devaluation of female characters to a new level. Not only are all the women in Wakanda subservient to a King and have to take orders from a King, but women aren't allowed to rule in Wakanda. When Killmonger throws T'Challa over the edge of the waterfall, apparently killing T'Challa and winning the throne of Wakanda, the logical thing for T'Challa's family to do would be for T'Challa's sister to challenge Killmonger for the throne. But Wakanda doesn't allow women to rule. So instead of T'Challa's sister, who's at 100%, challenge Killmonger for the throne, they needed a wounded T'Challa who was almost killed and who isn't at 100% to challenge Killmonger for the throne. Was it because they didn't believe a female could defeat Killmonger? Or was it simply because Wakanda doesn't allow women to rule? Either way, it devalues women. If you actually bothered to watch BP you'd know the answers to your questions and you wouldn't make yourself look so darn stupid. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 7, 2018 2:33:13 GMT
When Killmonger throws T'Challa over the edge of the waterfall, apparently killing T'Challa and winning the throne of Wakanda, the logical thing for T'Challa's family to do would be for T'Challa's sister to challenge Killmonger for the throne. That's not really logical at all. If Killmonger just defeated and seemingly killed T'Challa then what possible chance would his little skinny sister, who specialises in Science, have of defeating a highly trained male soldier in combat? None. T'Challa was the king because he was already the best in Wakanda. If Killmonger could defeat him then nobody else has much of a chance at all. They went to M'Baku because he would be the one that was closest to possibly being able to defeat him because he almost defeated T'Challa. |
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Post by ghostintheshell on Nov 7, 2018 3:06:32 GMT
Now that you mention it, it does seem a bit strange that Wakanda doesn't choose a female ruler even though it claims to be technologically superior than most first world countries.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 7, 2018 3:25:02 GMT
Of course they rule, well the Queen does. No, Wakanda doesn't allow women to rule. That's why T'Challa's sister wasn't allowed to challenge Killmonger for the throne and that's why the women in the army took orders from Killmonger and not from T'Challa's mother or sister. I'm sure Shuri doesn't want to fight her brother. WOW! You MCU fans really do need everything spelled out for you! I'm not referring to T'Challa's sister challenging T'Challa for the throne. I'm referring to T'Challa's sister challenging Killmonger for the throne after Killmonger threw T'Chala over the edge of the waterfall and claimed the throne. Either they did't believe that T'Challa's sister could defeat Killmonger in combat or Wakanda doesn't allow women to challenge for the throne and rule. Either way, it devalues women. the key word is thought. Once they figured he was still alive, the challenge hasn't been completed. WOW! You MCU fans really do need everything spelled out for you! I'm not referring to after they find out T'Challa is still alive. I'm referring to right after Killmonger threw T'Challa over the edge of the waterfall and everyone thought T'Challa was dead, which is why Killmonger was coronated as the new King. They didn't know T'Challa was still alive so the logical thing for T'Challa's family would've been for T'Challa's sister to challenge Killmonger for the throne. But T'Challa's sister didn't challenge Killmonger for the throne, either because they didn't believe T'Challa's sister could defeat Killmonger in combat or because Wakanda doesn't allow women to challenge for the throne and rule. Either way, it devalues women. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 7, 2018 3:27:51 GMT
When Killmonger throws T'Challa over the edge of the waterfall, apparently killing T'Challa and winning the throne of Wakanda, the logical thing for T'Challa's family to do would be for T'Challa's sister to challenge Killmonger for the throne. That's not really logical at all. If Killmonger just defeated and seemingly killed T'Challa then what possible chance would his little skinny sister, who specialises in Science, have of defeating a highly trained male soldier in combat? None. T'Challa was the king because he was already the best in Wakanda. If Killmonger could defeat him then nobody else has much of a chance at all. They went to M'Baku because he would be the one that was closest to possibly being able to defeat him because he almost defeated T'Challa. So basically you're confirming what I've bene saying - that they wanted a male (M'Baku) to challenge Killmonger for the throne instead of a female (T'Challa's sister) because they didn't believe a female could defeat Killmonger in combat. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 7, 2018 3:33:17 GMT
T'Challa's mother, Romanda is the Queen of Wakanda T'Challa's mother isn't a Queen regnant. She's a Queen consort. Queen consorts have no power to rule. A Queen consort is basically just the wife of the King, who has the power to rule. Wakanda doesn't allow women to rule. That's why T'Challa's sister wasn't allowed to challenge Killmonger for the throne and that's why the women in the army had to be subservient to Killmonger and take orders from Killmonger and not from T'Challa's mother or sister. |
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Post by darkpast on Nov 7, 2018 4:35:57 GMT
They mostly have male writers/directors
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 7, 2018 5:50:33 GMT
For all the people who didn't bother to watch BP (DC-Fan specifically), in the scene just before M'Baku fights T'Challa for the throne, Nakia specifically declines to challenge T'Challa. Meaning she could actually have challenged him if she wished and ruled as ruler of wakanda had she won.
As for Shuri fighting Killmonger, DC-Fan seems to think her family should have forced her to fight him against her will without giving her a choice.
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