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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 5:33:39 GMT
The female warriors serve the King, they wouldn't challenge him. So rather than challenge for the throne, the female warriors willingly submitted to an outsider who they had never seen before and who had never been in Wakanda before? That's pretty lame. That was a military skirmish involving long range weapons where they also had the demi god Wonder Woman on their side. Diana didn't do much fighting during the beach battle against the German soldiers. It was Hippolyta leading the Amazons into battle.
"So rather than challenge for the throne, the female warriors willingly submitted to an outsider who they had never seen before and who had never been in Wakanda before? That's pretty lame."
It actually is a little. But not because they're women. It's the shackles of tradition and duty to the country. That's what happens. People swear oaths of loyalty to the throne, then they find themselves in a real pickle when the wrong person gets the throne the right way. If they don't stay loyal to the throne, they're army deserters.
The men submitted too. All but a few women didn't. And Killmonger won the challenge, fairly, and he threw T'Challa off a waterfall so it's hard to blame them for thinking he was dead. I know it's disappointing watching them fall in line with the new king but it's their job. The job didn't change, just the boss.
Only one guy seemed to really be into it and even told his woman he would straight-up kill her for Wakanda. He's an idiot.
Catching up on some of the context I missed, I think people have to have some kind of noble lineage to make the challenge. A claim to the throne, which would explain the two challengers. It does seem unlikely that the structure allows much room for women to make the challenge. What woman besides T'Challa's sister even has a claim?
It doesn't seem from looking at the tribes that there's much of a place for women to get in the cue. Is it fair? Probably not, but maybe that's an issue the tribes of Wakanda need to work out as well.
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Post by scabab on Nov 8, 2018 6:44:31 GMT
So rather than challenge for the throne, the female warriors willingly submitted to an outsider who they had never seen before and who had never been in Wakanda before? That's pretty lame. That's the law that was given in the movie. Like they said Killmonger was of royal blood too, he wasn't some random mug off the street and he did win fair and square. So they have to serve him, that's their role as the King's bodyguard. Diana didn't do much fighting during the beach battle against the German soldiers. It was Hippolyta leading the Amazons into battle. She still had her sword out so she must have fought someone but like I said they were using bows and guns so anyone can kill anyone. In Black Panther it was a close range, physical, one on one brawl. M'Baku was the best chance of beating him considering the effort he put up against T'Challa. Obviously the sister would have stood no chance.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 8, 2018 7:02:54 GMT
does he even realize that it was the entire Dora Milaje who turned against Killmonger when it became obvious that he practically flushed his entire legitimacy as the King of Wakanda down the toilet? Do you even realize that the female warriors obeyed Killmonger's commands and only turned against Killmonger when they saw that T'Challa was still alive? So basically, all of those supposedly well-trained female warriors were all so scared of Killmonger that they just obeyed his commands and wouldn't stand up to Killmonger and needed a male to lead them to overthrow Killmonger. 1 MCU fan claims that Black Panther put women in positions of power. But the truth is that those female warriors in Black Panther were nothing more than just pawns used by and manipulated by the men. Black Panther really belittles and devalues women. They were doing their job, you idiot. Killmonger has won legitimately (at that point), so they had to protect him like they did with other kings and queens before. Once they realized that T’Challa was alive and well and Killmonger was making pitiful excuses to avoid continuing the challenge, they had every legitimate reasons to turn their back on him. Also, do you not realize that Okoye NEVER liked Killmonger as the King of Wakanda?
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 8, 2018 7:04:42 GMT
And seriously, DC-Fan, you used to at least mask your own retarded claims about MCU quite well. You’re not even TRYING to do that at all these days.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 8, 2018 12:44:09 GMT
![](https://i.imgur.com/UjTh5SR_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium) End of thread.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 8, 2018 17:06:04 GMT
Well DC-Fan stops replying once you've cornered him in a logical argument that he can't refute. Instead of admitting defeat he simply puts you on ignore.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 8, 2018 19:26:58 GMT
So rather than challenge for the throne, the female warriors willingly submitted to an outsider who they had never seen before and who had never been in Wakanda before? That's pretty lame. That's the law that was given in the movie. So basically Wakanda is a smaller-scale version of the Klingon Empire, where anyone can become the leader simply by killing the former leader and then they would rule, until the next leader kills them.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 8, 2018 19:31:15 GMT
That's the law that was given in the movie. So basically Wakanda is a smaller-scale version of the Klingon Empire, where anyone can become the leader simply by killing the former leader and then they would rule, until the next leader kills them. No, it's more complex than that. You'd understand this better if you actually watch the movie. Have you watched the movie?
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Post by damngumby on Nov 9, 2018 1:29:45 GMT
![](https://i.imgur.com/UjTh5SR_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium) End of thread. If I didn’t know any better, I’d say that those are breasts in the Black Panther suit. I guess the idiot OP should have read the comic before shooting his mouth off.
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Post by scabab on Nov 9, 2018 3:16:52 GMT
So basically Wakanda is a smaller-scale version of the Klingon Empire, where anyone can become the leader simply by killing the former leader and then they would rule, until the next leader kills them. Well not quite because T'Chaku was still King when he was really old and there would have been nothing to stop any younger warrior from challenging him and then becoming King himself. Killmonger was allowed the chance because he was of royal blood otherwise it says. "He then challenged M'Baku for the throne of Wakanda, as by tradition he must fight one of the warriors chosen for the kingdom's throne from the other tribes of Wakanda." So apparently it's usually a one time thing during the King's coronation and that's it.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 9, 2018 3:20:20 GMT
If I didn’t know any better, I’d say that those are breasts in the Black Panther suit. I guess the idiot OP should have read the comic before shooting his mouth off. This thread is about the movies, not the comics. I realize you're slow at getting things, but movies and comics are 2 different mediums.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 9, 2018 3:22:38 GMT
So basically Wakanda is a smaller-scale version of the Klingon Empire, where anyone can become the leader simply by killing the former leader and then they would rule, until the next leader kills them. it's usually a one time thing during the King's coronation and that's it. It obviously wasn't a one-time thing because Killmonger got to challenge for the throne after M'Baku challenged for the throne.
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Post by Surly on Nov 9, 2018 3:25:49 GMT
It was another woman who called the female reporter "trash". And that confirms what I said before. In an MCU movie, Tony Stark sleeps with a female reporter and that female reporter is referred to as "Trash". By another woman that she just insulted. Are you seriously gonna tell me that a DC movie has never had a woman insulted or a woman using insults onscreen? Don't make me laugh. Which means absolutely nothing pal, since women in the DCEU used or received insults just as bad or worse. Last time I checked men and children are also subservient to a king. Why aren't you saying that is demeaning? Because 1 MCU fan tried to build up Black Panther by claiming that it had women in power. So I debunked that claim by pointing out that the women in Black Panther weren't in power but were just pawns subservient to a King and taking orders from a King.[/quote] So basically you're saying that the Secret Service are powerless, brainless servants. I guess a military general is powerless when they take orders from a king or a president? Your argument makes no sense. Where was that said in the movie? It was shown in the movie by the fact that not a single female warrior stepped forward to challenge Killmonger for the throne after Killmonger threw T'Challa over the edge of a waterfall and claimed the throne and everyone thought T'Challa was dead. Even T'Challa's own mother and sister tried to get M'Baku (who lost in combat to T'Challa, who was thrown over the edge of the waterfall by Killmonger) to challenge Killmonger for the throne rather than trying to get 1 of the female warriors to challenge Killmonger for the throne.[/quote] T'Challa's sister was not a warrior. Nakia was a spy but not the most elite warrior. She points this out several times in the movie, pal. The rest of the women warriors were part of the Dora. They were loyal to Killmonger. okia was the representative of her tribe. So that means she could/would be queen if she challenged and won. Did she ever challenge for the throne? No, because while she was allowed to be present to witness the challenge, she wasn't allowed to challenge for the throne because women aren't allowed to challenge for the throne,[/quote] Wrong. She declined when she was asked. If she wasn't allowed then they never would've asked her. You're contradicting yourself. How can Nakia not be allowed but then asked by the queen mother if she would consider taking the heart shaped herb that would allow her to challenge Killmonger?
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 9, 2018 3:33:24 GMT
Which means absolutely nothing pal, since women in the DCEU used or received insults just as bad or worse. Show me the scene in a DCEU movie where a woman is called "Trash" simply for sleeping with a man. So basically you're saying that the Secret Service are powerless, brainless servants. I guess a military general is powerless when they take orders from a king or a president? Your argument makes no sense. I'm not referring to the Secret Service or other military. I'm referring to the female warriors in Black Panther, whom 1 MCU fan claimed were empowered by being in positions of power. And I completely debunked that by pointing out that women in Wakanda aren't allowed to hold the highest position of power in Wakanda - sovereign and absolute monarch. The rest of the women warriors were part of the Dora. They were loyal to Killmonger. That's why it's appropriate and accurate to call them brainless, idiotic, subservient females. Because they blindly follow orders from an outsider whom they've never seen before and who has never been in Wakanda before and who probably doesn't give a shit about the people of Wakanda.
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Post by scabab on Nov 9, 2018 3:33:39 GMT
It obviously wasn't a one-time thing because Killmonger got to challenge for the throne after M'Baku challenged for the throne. Yeah but as I said he only had the opportunity because he had the right too because he was of royal blood being the nephew of King T'Chaku. Had he been some farmers kid then he wouldn't have been allowed.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 9, 2018 3:37:55 GMT
It obviously wasn't a one-time thing because Killmonger got to challenge for the throne after M'Baku challenged for the throne. Yeah but as I said he only had the opportunity because he had the right too because he was of royal blood being the nephew of King T'Chaku. Had he been some farmers kid then he wouldn't have been allowed. He might was well been a farmer's kid because they never made him provide a DNA test so there's no way they know for certain that he's T'Chaka's nephew. Heck, did T'Chaka or anyone else in Wakanda even knew T'Chaka had a nephew. Killmonger was born and raised in the US and had never been to Wakanda and was kept a secret by his father from T'Chaka and everyone else. So how would they even know T'Chaka had a nephew? There was no DNA test. He just walked in off the street, challenged for the throne, and they let him have the challenge. So apparently anyone can just walk in off the street and challenge for the throne without any royal heritage.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 9, 2018 3:41:24 GMT
Were you not loved enough as a child?
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Post by scabab on Nov 9, 2018 4:13:03 GMT
There was no DNA test. He just walked in off the street, challenged for the throne, and they let him have the challenge. So apparently anyone can just walk in off the street and challenge for the throne without any royal heritage. As if they'd waste time in a movie like this with DNA tests. Its not a daytime soap. No, that isn't what happened. Killmonger had the Wakandan Royal Ring which is used by the royal family. He took it off his father's body who had it because he was King T'Chaku's brother and was the Prince of Wakanda. So when they showed that Killmonger had the ring then they knew he was the Prince's son and so a member of the royal blood line. This was all made clear in the movie.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 9, 2018 4:20:11 GMT
As if they'd waste time in a movie like this with DNA tests. They don't have to show a lab technician testing Killmonger's blood like we would see on an episode of CSI. They could've just shown Killmonger take out a knife and cut the palm of his hand and then drip some of his blood into a cup and give the cup to T'Challa. But the writers were too stupid to think of that. Which isn't surprising, considering the really awful writing in Black Panther, which I've written about in past threads. There was no DNA test. He just walked in off the street, challenged for the throne, and they let him have the challenge. So apparently anyone can just walk in off the street and challenge for the throne without any royal heritage. As if they'd waste time in a movie like this with DNA tests. Its not a daytime soap. No, that isn't what happened. Killmonger had the Wakandan Royal Ring which is used by the royal family. He took it off his father's body who had it because he was King T'Chaku's brother and was the Prince of Wakanda. So when they showed that Killmonger had the ring then they knew he was the Prince's son and so a member of the royal blood line. Anybody could've stolen the ring so Killmonger having possession of the ring doesn't prove that he's the Prince's son.
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Post by scabab on Nov 9, 2018 6:35:53 GMT
Anybody could've stolen the ring so Killmonger having possession of the ring doesn't prove that he's the Prince's son. Nah you're just being silly now, actively trying to find a loophole where one doesn't exist. Some random mug who may have stolen the ring would never have even known about Wakanda in the first place as even the CIA didn't know about it. Killmonger knew about it because his father told him. Even if by some miracle they did happen to know, it was also made clear that Wakanda doesn't let in outsiders. Killmonger was able to get it because he had the tattoo on the inside of his lip in addition to nabbing a known felon. If you haven't even paid attention to the movie then you shouldn't really be pointing out flaws.
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